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Dramatic but this is how I feel now...
UlvenDagoth
Member Posts: 3,535
@Almo @Peanits @not_Queen @MandyTalk @Gay Myers (Luzi) (Community Managers, Rely this to the Devs. Not blaming the community managers at all. Just tell the Devs what they have done.)
I can't believe you did it. Good job. You have successfully made me lose all faith in BHVR and any hope that you listened to your community. All of this feed back and what do we get? The Deep Wound Changes... the Legion getting all that taken from them with just some movement speed to try and make up for it... even the Oni nerf in a small way, since you gave him no time to settle in like you said you would. Giving Legion the movement speed while removing all threat of Deep Wound... what? It's like you are giving us maggots to eat and expecting us to be happy cause "At least it's something." Are we supposed to be happy about the movement speed cause "At least it's something"? All these "Buffs" are just nerfs you slapped on Legion for no reason and are reverting. The Add-on changes are negligible.
Survivors can get hit with Feral Frenzy and just run around. Something that is supposed to be them bleeding out from a wound deep enough they have to put pressure on it to stop the bleeding... and they can run around no problem. Survivors run around anyway in matches so this is literally harmless, it's basically a free health state. You didn't even reduce Deep Wound Timer, You didn't even revert the reduction to mend times... You made Legion even weaker, cause none of you know how to handle their power or the Deep Wound mechanic which was flawed to begin with. You couldn't just replace Deep Wound. No, you just made Legion's power literally a punishment to ever use. You made walking after people and M1ing the best strategy.
So yea.... You did it. You made me give up. You killed The Fanatical Legion Main. Congratulations. I no longer want to play. I no longer want to support this game at all.
Comments
Harsh, but ultimately the main point is correct.
BHVR was given pages upon pages of decent feedback and what they delivered was...very disheartening to say the least. They managed to make a weak Killer weaker, despite the Community wanting him to be both FUN and STRONG.
At this point, we all know Deep Wounds is a terrible power. They just need to redesign him.
That being said, I am not to the point that our poor Fanatical Legion Main is at, yet. I still hold out hope, for if he truly is done, I'll take up the fight to see Legion buffed.
That was mainly to make sure SOMEONE SAW IT, so they would know what they are doing to people who used to enjoy this game. Maybe they can tell the Devs that refuse to listen.
I do not think they are to blame either, but, they didn't appear to help. I love our CM's, but there must be a massive lack of communication if the Dev team and the Community are SO opposite to one another.
I've even uninstalled the game. Will I be back? Right now that answer is a no. Maybe that will change, but for now, I can't fathom supporting this train wreck. Maybe after a bit i'll be back to yelling about Legion needing a buff but for now, it feels way too pointless to even bother.
Then, for the time being, I'll go ahead and take up that mantle. I still have hope. Unfortunately for you, everyone always comes back. It's a damn curse, I swear.
Thank you for still trying, my friend. Go with The Legion's blessing, as little as that means any more.
It means something to many of us, some more vocal than others.
If they really read this post, they'll tell you "Civ V is a good game" or "pretty good job so far"
And i don't think they will rework him like freddy because he is not license dlc. Why spend resource and work on something that is not gonna sales and earns big money?
After all, it's all about business and money
Perhaps, but I think BHVR are good and genuine people. I think that there has been some massive disconnect between the Dev team and the Community at large. That clearly needs to be addressed.
I like the changes.
Nevertheless, lets hope they buff legion in future and not mess up the upcoming doctor's change
I honestly wish they just completely rework Legion. Give him a Freddy style change. Would be what's best for him, and revert the changes BT got.
Do you play Legion or Killer?
Actually, you know what? I don't want to even start this conversation.
Oh? Why do you?
Was wondering what you thought of it. It's disgusting.
Yes, I used to main him, my main complaint with the nerfs in the EGC update was that the feral frenzy speed and vaulting felt too slow, I could care less about the deep wounds and basic attack nerf since my gameplay style did not revolve around that
if you did not like the changes its ok, I understand why it is that way
As stated above all I really cared about legion was their movement and vaulting speed, and they buffed that so now it feels way better to play them, now i dont have to rely on bamboozle to feel like i am vaulting pallets midly fast.
okay, you cared about half the Killer's power. Got it. You are also completely missing the point.
I'm with you. I can't think of another example of when the community and devs were so far apart, not just for this game, but games in general. It makes the fanbase feel like crap when their input is ignored so obviously. I gave the changes a try and hate them. I'll be stepping away from this game for a bit. Luckily the holidays are coming up to occupy my time until Animal Crossing comes out and then motorcycle season after that 🏍️
You're giving up yelling at the clouds? @UlvenDagoth
I can't say I blame you. Hopefully you have more fun doing something else in your free time, and hopefully Legion gets an actually good rework eventually.
Yes, i play legion and killer, most of my games as killer today have consisted on testing legion.
I feel this way too, I don't even feel like complaining about anything in this game anymore ever since this whole debacle. They don't listen to us, we said Pins need to be on hit and they decided to bamboozle us with making that 2nd hit on a second Survivor, it's the same scenario as someone isn't effected by the add-on. When everyone gathered around for Nurse changes the Devs answered, when everyone cried out for Spirit changes the Devs answered, when everyone is crying out for Legion changes they ignore the entire playerbase lol
Changing Legion isn't as difficult as the Devs may think, all of us here have come up with over a dozen of changes ranging from small tweaks to complete reworks, the entire community has basically created an entire fix for Legion and they decided to take the harder route instead and make it as complicated as possible and in the process make Legion players suffer because they felt it was ok.
''Hey can we have a 3 second stun time?''
''Nah fam nah, I'm making your power less effective so other players don't have to suffer''.
''Uh what?''
''On second thought I'm making it completely non-lethal so it doesn't make Survivors have to worry about it''.
''Please, stop''.
Well, there is one good thing about the new DW. Survivors actually have to mend. Sure, they can run around like an idiot, but they don't accomplish anything like that. No more survivors working gens through their DW without worry while their buddy loops Legion nearby. Sure, there's no longer anything that the killer can do to progress the timer, but there's also nothing that the killer needs to avoid to keep the timer from pausing. I just wish that either the timer was shortened, or that mending time wasn't decreased.
I keep seeing people say that Legion needs a rework. Honestly, I think they'd be a lot more fun if you didn't get kicked out of FF with a missed attack. I also think that if the pin effects were changed from mangled to hindered, and broken to either oblivious or exhausted, they'd be more viable.
They can run to the other side of the map, unhook someone, get mended for 8 seconds and move on. They can get on a gen, wait till the timer is close to done then run behind something and mend for 12 seconds. OTZ got an 8 man Feral Frenzy streak cause mending is so quick now. Now they can literally just run away and mend, or mend after Legion leaves. The slight speed boost is HEAVILY outweighed by all the nerfs.... and the speed boost is just a reverted nerf. Legion's power is literally a punishment now
I really see this as an overreaction, and I say that as somebody who bought Legion and got him to level 50. If anything, this made me more excited to play with him. I like the increased vault speeds, and I love that the button add-ons are finally useful.
If he needs more changes, then he'll get them down the line. If you're gonna be this dramatic over any changes that aren't precisely what you wanted, then you're the reason why community managers get tired of their jobs.
More insults from you huh? Go away.
Also, good job. I bought them and P3'ed them. So by your logic, I have more right to complain then you.
You know even tho i dislike otz, he actually did what I imagined legion is good for now. He can run like a dog at the fence chasing from one side to the other and never be a threat. Such fun, such wow utterly useless killer.
@Monlyth
How are the button addons useful? They only work if people are grouping up together, you know something good survivors do not do especially against legion. Please explain to me how they are useful.
Yep. Best Killer ever. 10/10 such wow, much.... I can't even be sarcastic right now to play along.
If you're going to turn away everyone who disagrees with you on anything, don't be surprised when you get kicked out from places.