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if solo play gets brought up to the level of SWF survivors are going to have to get massive nerfs

yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704
Just a word of warning to people who think that closing the gap of solo and swf will be a net positive for survivors, it will actually be a substantial reduction in survivors power. Be ready for that 

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  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 17,690

    As if Survivors ever listen to reason. We warn them time and time again that some of the things they request will inevitably lead to a bad outcome, but they disregard what we say. When they inevitably do lead to a bad outcome, they cry. When it's fixed, they forget all about it.

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704
    Orion said:

    As if Survivors ever listen to reason. We warn them time and time again that some of the things they request will inevitably lead to a bad outcome, but they disregard what we say. When they inevitably do lead to a bad outcome, they cry. When it's fixed, they forget all about it.

    I can see survivors losing a lot of power in the not so distant future, more than they have ever lost before.
  • RaccoonRaccoon Member Posts: 3,860

    You must be new.

    It's nice to meet you!

    :)

  • MiloMilo Member Posts: 6,120

    That's the point.

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704
    Milo said:

    That's the point.

    Just a warning to the people who act like its going to be all sunshine and roses for survivors.
  • RepliCantRepliCant Member Posts: 1,418
    edited August 2018

    No.

    Survivors are not going to need massive nerfs.

    Killers are going to need massive buffs.

    The whole point of buffing solo queuers, bringing them to SWF level, is to then balance around SWF level.

    @Orion said:
    As if Survivors ever listen to reason. We warn them time and time again that some of the things they request will inevitably lead to a bad outcome, but they disregard what we say. When they inevitably do lead to a bad outcome, they cry. When it's fixed, they forget all about it.

    Stop generalizing such a small portion of survivors. Just get the [BAD WORD] along.

  • Grey87Grey87 Member Posts: 346
    edited August 2018

    For that to happen they will have to add voice chat.
    Till that's in the game there won't be any "massive" nerfs. It's just the salt talking.

  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @Brady said:
    No.

    Survivors are not going to need massive nerfs.

    Killers are going to need massive buffs.

    The whole point of buffing solo queuers, bringing them to SWF level, is to then balance around SWF level.

    @Orion said:
    As if Survivors ever listen to reason. We warn them time and time again that some of the things they request will inevitably lead to a bad outcome, but they disregard what we say. When they inevitably do lead to a bad outcome, they cry. When it's fixed, they forget all about it.

    Stop generalizing such a small portion of survivors. Just get the [BAD WORD] along.

    Won't happen, the same few will keep generalizing and when the killers get buffed to proper level stil whine. It's almost as if most killers and survivors don't post on any social media platform. It's almost as if the vast majority on both sides don't complain and will adapt just fine.

    As I've said before once they finally get this in the right place the same few will keep whining because that's all they can do and it'll be apparent it wasn't imbalance all along that was their issue.

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704
    Brady said:

    No.

    Survivors are not going to need massive nerfs.

    Killers are going to need massive buffs.

    The whole point of buffing solo queuers, bringing them to SWF level, is to then balance around SWF level.

    @Orion said:
    As if Survivors ever listen to reason. We warn them time and time again that some of the things they request will inevitably lead to a bad outcome, but they disregard what we say. When they inevitably do lead to a bad outcome, they cry. When it's fixed, they forget all about it.

    Stop generalizing such a small portion of survivors. Just get the [BAD WORD] along.

    Survivor nerfs/killer buffs are basically the same thing you're just arguing semantics.
  • RepliCantRepliCant Member Posts: 1,418

    @yeet said:
    Brady said:

    No.

    Survivors are not going to need massive nerfs.

    Killers are going to need massive buffs.

    The whole point of buffing solo queuers, bringing them to SWF level, is to then balance around SWF level.

    @Orion said:

    As if Survivors ever listen to reason. We warn them time and time again that some of the things they request will inevitably lead to a bad outcome, but they disregard what we say. When they inevitably do lead to a bad outcome, they cry. When it's fixed, they forget all about it.

    Stop generalizing such a small portion of survivors. Just get the [BAD WORD] along.

    Survivor nerfs/killer buffs are basically the same thing you're just arguing semantics.

    They aren't, and if I need to explain that then that's your problem.

    Like I said, survivors are going to be buffed to SWF potential, and then killers will be buffed accordingly.

    Exhaustion was a nerf to survivors but in no way effected the way the Killer system works? There were no changes to Killer in how ANYTHING works when exhaustion was changed. Not a buff to killers.

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704
    Brady said:

    @yeet said:
    Brady said:

    No.

    Survivors are not going to need massive nerfs.

    Killers are going to need massive buffs.

    The whole point of buffing solo queuers, bringing them to SWF level, is to then balance around SWF level.

    @Orion said:

    As if Survivors ever listen to reason. We warn them time and time again that some of the things they request will inevitably lead to a bad outcome, but they disregard what we say. When they inevitably do lead to a bad outcome, they cry. When it's fixed, they forget all about it.

    Stop generalizing such a small portion of survivors. Just get the [BAD WORD] along.

    Survivor nerfs/killer buffs are basically the same thing you're just arguing semantics.

    They aren't, and if I need to explain that then that's your problem.

    Like I said, survivors are going to be buffed to SWF potential, and then killers will be buffed accordingly.

    Exhaustion was a nerf to survivors but in no way effected the way the Killer system works? There were no changes to Killer in how ANYTHING works when exhaustion was changed. Not a buff to killers.

    You're arguing semantics, the outcome is the same, this is a pointless conversation, there's no need to get worked up over terminology when the result is the same.
  • VisionmakerVisionmaker Member Posts: 2,051

    They're already planning to rework half of the killers.

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704

    They're already planning to rework half of the killers.

    I'm talking about big changes to base mechanics
  • VisionmakerVisionmaker Member Posts: 2,051

    @yeet said:
    Visionmaker said:

    They're already planning to rework half of the killers.

    I'm talking about big changes to base mechanics

    If the reworked killers have the same anti-chase capabilities as new Hag, I don't see where's the need.

  • LaakeriLaakeri Member Posts: 833

    I really want to be optimistic about the future.

    But lets not kid ourselves the power role will never change.

  • VolfawottVolfawott Member Posts: 3,780
    edited August 2018
    yeet said:
    Brady said:

    No.

    Survivors are not going to need massive nerfs.

    Killers are going to need massive buffs.

    The whole point of buffing solo queuers, bringing them to SWF level, is to then balance around SWF level.

    @Orion said:
    As if Survivors ever listen to reason. We warn them time and time again that some of the things they request will inevitably lead to a bad outcome, but they disregard what we say. When they inevitably do lead to a bad outcome, they cry. When it's fixed, they forget all about it.

    Stop generalizing such a small portion of survivors. Just get the [BAD WORD] along.

    Survivor nerfs/killer buffs are basically the same thing you're just arguing semantics.
    No they're really not, there are loads of ways they can actually buff Killers not only as a whole but individually as well but because it would put immense pressure on solo players they couldn't exactly go along with it now that they're trying to make them more in line they can efficiently buff Killers individually and generally without having one group of the survivor base suffer immensely from it.
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  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @yeet said:

    You're arguing semantics, the outcome is the same, this is a pointless conversation, there's no need to get worked up over terminology when the result is the same.

    Pot meet kettle and what you're really trying to say here is you have no argument and are resorting to the classic Straw Man.

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704
    powerbats said:

    @yeet said:

    You're arguing semantics, the outcome is the same, this is a pointless conversation, there's no need to get worked up over terminology when the result is the same.

    Pot meet kettle and what you're really trying to say here is you have no argument and are resorting to the classic Straw Man.

    There's not even an argument here, the outcome is the same, so why bother arguing terminology? I really don't understand where you're trying to go with this.
  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @yeet said:
    powerbats said:

    @yeet said:

    You're arguing semantics, the outcome is the same, this is a pointless conversation, there's no need to get worked up over terminology when the result is the same.

    Pot meet kettle and what you're really trying to say here is you have no argument and are resorting to the classic Straw Man.

    There's not even an argument here, the outcome is the same, so why bother arguing terminology? I really don't understand where you're trying to go with this.

    There is an argument here, you just don't want to have one since you can't argue your point effectively. The outcome is different but since you can't debate you result to the time honored tradition of Logical Fallacies.

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704
    powerbats said:

    @yeet said:
    powerbats said:

    @yeet said:

    You're arguing semantics, the outcome is the same, this is a pointless conversation, there's no need to get worked up over terminology when the result is the same.

    Pot meet kettle and what you're really trying to say here is you have no argument and are resorting to the classic Straw Man.

    There's not even an argument here, the outcome is the same, so why bother arguing terminology? I really don't understand where you're trying to go with this.

    There is an argument here, you just don't want to have one since you can't argue your point effectively. The outcome is different but since you can't debate you result to the time honored tradition of Logical Fallacies.

    I stated, that survivors will lose power compared to killers if solos are brought up to the power of SWF, how the developers go about that is totally irrelevant, i don't see where you disagreed at all.
  • TsulanTsulan Member Posts: 6,757

    They're already planning to rework half of the killers.

    Trapper rework didn't change his core problem. A little QoL improvement but that's it.
    Wraith cube made him even weaker.

    Devs ask mains about the weakness of a killer and then they ignore it and do something completely different. 

    I'm not optimistic about the future.
    Survivors review bombed after some minor nerfs, that didn't affect the majority of them.
    I don't know how they would react after a hard nerf/buff. But I doubt that it will be less than the last time.
  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,205
    yeet said:
    Just a word of warning to people who think that closing the gap of solo and swf will be a net positive for survivors, it will actually be a substantial reduction in survivors power. Be ready for that 



    We'll devs are actually buffing survivors in general while trying to lift up soloplayer to swf lvl. I can only hope that enough killers will leave such that those entitled survivors enjoy 30 min queue times to find their next bullying target 
  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704
    yeet said:
    Brady said:

    No.

    Survivors are not going to need massive nerfs.

    Killers are going to need massive buffs.

    The whole point of buffing solo queuers, bringing them to SWF level, is to then balance around SWF level.

    @Orion said:
    As if Survivors ever listen to reason. We warn them time and time again that some of the things they request will inevitably lead to a bad outcome, but they disregard what we say. When they inevitably do lead to a bad outcome, they cry. When it's fixed, they forget all about it.

    Stop generalizing such a small portion of survivors. Just get the [BAD WORD] along.

    Survivor nerfs/killer buffs are basically the same thing you're just arguing semantics.
    No they're really not, there are loads of ways they can actually both Killers not only as a whole but individually as well but because it would put immense pressure on solo players they couldn't exactly go along with it now that they're trying to make them more in line they can efficiently buff Killers individually and generally without having one group of the survivor base suffer immensely from it.
    There's definitely ways you can nerf survivors that would affect SWF far more than solos.
  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704
    yeet said:
    Brady said:

    No.

    Survivors are not going to need massive nerfs.

    Killers are going to need massive buffs.

    The whole point of buffing solo queuers, bringing them to SWF level, is to then balance around SWF level.

    @Orion said:
    As if Survivors ever listen to reason. We warn them time and time again that some of the things they request will inevitably lead to a bad outcome, but they disregard what we say. When they inevitably do lead to a bad outcome, they cry. When it's fixed, they forget all about it.

    Stop generalizing such a small portion of survivors. Just get the [BAD WORD] along.

    Survivor nerfs/killer buffs are basically the same thing you're just arguing semantics.
    No they're really not, there are loads of ways they can actually both Killers not only as a whole but individually as well but because it would put immense pressure on solo players they couldn't exactly go along with it now that they're trying to make them more in line they can efficiently buff Killers individually and generally without having one group of the survivor base suffer immensely from it.
    I'm talking about in the context of after the gap between solo and SWF has been lessened.
  • SenzuDuckSenzuDuck Member Posts: 5,268

    @Orion said:
    As if Survivors ever listen to reason. We warn them time and time again that some of the things they request will inevitably lead to a bad outcome, but they disregard what we say. When they inevitably do lead to a bad outcome, they cry. When it's fixed, they forget all about it.

    Said the guy that wants noed to spawn back if all totems are gone, LEL.
    Also, no survivors were asking for this, BHVR just put it forward, again, more lies to perpetuate that all survivors ask for is buffs.

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