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Legion is still fun. Change my Mind.

underlord99underlord99 Member Posts: 652
edited January 16 in General Discussions

So when i first heard about the legion changes i was a little skeptical. Just like everyone else i thought he would be a almost useless killer, mind you i played a ton of legion before the changes to him and the deep wound status effect.

Recently, i have started to pick the legion back up and man i gotta tell you they are a lot of fun! i dont understand why so many people think he was gutted, if someone could explain to me why people think this that would be nice. The only thing i do not like about the change is that you cannot use perks like sloppy or stbfl in his frenzy mode but i do understand why the devs made the change!

My go to build for Legion is: Pop, corrupt, surge, and thrilling tremors.

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  • SonzaishinaiSonzaishinai Member Posts: 888

    Legion is insanly fun.chaining hits is so satisfying

    And once every one is injured you only need to outplay them once to down them

    My favorite killer by far

  • TalmeerTalmeer Member Posts: 824
    edited January 16

    If you can't do with the Legion - or any other character - what you could do with the character before, he is gutted.

    No matter what this means for the character. When you cut down half of a bread, it is gutted. No matter if you have gutted the side with tasty things on it, or the empty side with nothing on it.

    What me matters. I miss the old Legion. For me is the new Legion nothing more as a fast moving m1 killer.

    I still like to play the Legion when I play dbd, but more because of my memories with the old Legion as because how the Legion plays today and because of their story.

    Edit: I am happy to hear that there are still people out there that can remember. Even if we seem not to have the same opinion.

  • TatariuTatariu Member Posts: 87

    Legion is indeed very fun to play, and for me personally, against. Legion also gets loads of bloodpoints.

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 92

    Ah yes, eating a Decisive Strike for using a power that does absolutely nothing if the Survivors know how to survive while injured is so fun. God I love Legion.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 3,331

    Legion is not fun to go against when your teammates feel the need to self care against him

  • MewMew Member Posts: 528

    they mean that his stun after frenzy is the equivalent to a ds stun, which it really is tbh

  • TatariuTatariu Member Posts: 87

    On the topic of that stun, it would be great if BHVR reduced it back to 3 seconds.

  • CarlosyluCarlosylu Member Posts: 1,731

    Satisfaction of multi-hitting survivors with Legion vs hearing the clic of a trapped survivor with Trapper vs Landing a sniper axe throw with Huntress vs getting to T3 with Myers by stalk 3 guys on the same gen.

    Point made.

  • JasonsfarJasonsfar Member Posts: 21

    Still boring as hell to go against

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 92
    edited January 16

    DS stun: Five seconds, with the Survivor only being given the opportunity to actually run away for around four seconds

    Frenzy fatigue: Four seconds, during which the Survivor has full time to run away, also during which you get a vignette so bad that some people can’t play Legion without Shadowborn

    On second thought, you’re right. I’d rather get hit with Decisive Strike than deal with Legion’s post-Frenzy fatigue.

  • underlord99underlord99 Member Posts: 652

    You can still move around during the fatigue (though extremely slow) while Dstrike you cant

  • TalmeerTalmeer Member Posts: 824

    I honestly don't get it why bhvr has implemented this and other stuns and still let's them in.

    The changes on dw and the tr have made those stuns unnecessary, imo.

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 92

    Even if the difference between standing still and moving in fatigue weren’t totally negligible, it still doesn’t really make up for the considerably unpleasant visual stimuli induced by fatigue and the fact you get the longest base fatigue in the entire game for using a power that does nothing more than injure Survivors in my opinion.

  • KhorzadKhorzad Member Posts: 46

    They can be fun, but he could be much more fun and actually decent to play. And Old Legion was way more fun, in my opinion. Yes, they were broken, but the fun part didn’t come from that, but from other aspects that the devs nerfed for no reason.

    Right now, they just did the bare minimum necessary to fix them, but they could do much more: Speed boost when chaining hits, reasonable cooldowns, basic hits not taking half of your power…

  • KatzengottKatzengott Member Posts: 37

    Any Killer is fun vs. chilled Survivors.

  • TheNHK32TheNHK32 Member Posts: 30

    Good survivors can loop you for 3 gens even if they are a one shot. They fall short in high ranks because of this, im a legion main i would know, i have been switching to spirit alot more. But a ton of people are posting about legion, buff soon i hope!

  • EndstilleEndstille Member Posts: 1,209

    Glad that you like legion.

    I mean there are people in the world who pay other in order to lick their boots. Everybody enjoys diffrent stuff i guess.

  • Leachy_JrLeachy_Jr Member Posts: 47

    Then if the survivors are injured don't use your power? Then at that point everyone is a 1 shot down.

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 92

    A) A Killer who has no power when people are injured is fun?

    B) Then just loop???

  • Leachy_JrLeachy_Jr Member Posts: 47

    Feeling in control of when people are injured is very fun. When they are injured you know the power has done it's job. It's also fun getting them injured because getting chain hits is satisfying AF.

    Chases are shorter because everyone is injured, however it doesn't make him a good killer. similarly a fun killer is completely separate to a viable killer.

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 92
    edited January 18

    I don’t feel in control when Survivors are injured. If anything, I feel more disadvantaged because Perks like Dead Hard, the Spine Chill-Resilience combo, and Adrenawin can honestly make Survivors even harder to chase while they’re injured.

    Sure, it feels satisfying to get chain hits, but what with how basic and simple the counterplay to a Frenzying Legion is, how often does that happen? You only move 30% faster than a running Survivor; as long as they split up, what’s usually going to happen is you Frenzy someone, spend ten seconds slowly catching up to a red blip in the distance, and then get hit with a headache-inducing Decisive Strike stun after which your power goes on the second-longest cooldown in the entire game. If anything, it’s the opposite of satisfying. It’s frustrating.

    Also, once your power has “done its job” (assuming the Survivors are potatoes enough to let a power like Feral Frenzy do its job), then what? You’re a completely basic M1 Killer with literally no power, and if you use your power, you get punished. So you can get 1 or 2 chains at the beginning of the game, then you’re a Trapper without his traps? How is that in any way fun?

  • SonzaishinaiSonzaishinai Member Posts: 888

    Honestly sounds more like a you problem.

    It happens every match that you can chain hits and i'm sorry but if you have trouble hitting a survivor even once then you just need to get better at chases

    Legion satisfaction comes from injuring really fast and then only needing to outplay the survivors once to down them.

    It's not unusual against a good Legion that has everybody injured that suddenly every 30 seconds someone goes down and gives him a pop goes the weasel

    If your a killer that needs a power to hit survivors and let's themself be looped for 3 gens if they don't then yes i can believe you that you don't think legion is fun

  • shootaman777shootaman777 Member Posts: 123

    Where can I find these potato survivors you consistently go up against, that let you chain multiple hits (again, consistently) with ease? Rank 20?

    Also, what power? Legion has a power? I thought his power was called Thanatophobia /s.

  • PapiQuentin_PapiQuentin_ Member Posts: 427

    Exactly the reason as to why Legion is my least favourite killer in the game to face.

    They're repetitive as hell and my teammates are always awful against them

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 92
    edited January 18

    I was likely better at downing Survivors as 110 Legion without using Frenzy than you are as 115 Legion. Try again.

    Also, if you're so convinced Legion is great at chaining hits, here's some numbers: At a rate of 1.2 meters per second (the speed at which a Legion in Feral Frenzy catches up to a running Survivor), a 10-second Frenzy means that in order to outpace a Frenzying Legion and totally nullify his ability to chain a hit, you only need to be 12 meters away.

    12 meters. Three-eights of the Legion's base Terror Radius.

    Wow, so good.

    And with double duration addons, it goes up to 16.8 meters. Barely more than four-eights or one-half of the Legion's Terror Radius. That's with his best Frenzy addons. His BEST. If you exceed 16.8 meters of distance from the Legion at any given point, there is no way his Frenzy can touch you unless you sit still.

    God, Legion is so good.

  • TalmeerTalmeer Member Posts: 824
    edited January 18

    I think you exaggerating here a bit. That's ok in the heat of a discussion, but if you remember your matches, I bet, you will remember how you often had survivors encounter that were to far away for chain hits and/or had already start to heal themselfs while you were running off to some other survivor at the opposite part of the map.

    The Legion is now so good, how a m1 killer in dbd can be.

    That is enough for the average survivor, but if you ever met good survivors...

    Let us be honest... Nobody of us has a 100% kill rate and if you think that you lost every match just because you are bad, then you are lying to yourself.

    Of course, we lose some matches because we have make in the one or other match the wrong decision or were to bad, but in every game were we have lose!?

    Comon... That can nobody believe...

  • ALostPuppyALostPuppy Member Posts: 189

    I find legion fun and relaxing to play tbh. Even with their changes recently they're still absolute trashpiles of killers but there's something about playing bad killers like Legion and Wraith that I like except clown.

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