I personally don’t feel it should. Survivors have complete immunity when jumping in a locker of it’s activated. Sure, a killer could wait it out and grab them, but that’s a huge waste of time.
But what do you guys think?
DS shouldn't work on grabs. Period.
It would solve a lot of issues. I have no desire to go after anyone right off the hook. But if someone else gets hooked during the EGC, and Mr. DS comes in with borrowed time and knows I can't down him, only grab, where he'll hit me with DS and they will both escape, and knows that I can't do anything about it, it's broken.
I feel it should deactivate. Too many survivors are cocky with it and bait a killer to grab them, knowing they've got that 60 second immunity. I've had survivors who have done it just because I was chasing their friends nearby. I think the locker thing is why DS is looked upon negativtly because survivors like to abuse it for the kicks.
It's supposed to be an anti tunneling perk
It's not supposed to be a 60 second "im invincible" perk that survivors can exploit in locker or vault animation(had some survivors slow vault over pallets/windows right in front of killers just to trigger a grab instead of a normal hit)
They technically aren't invincible. You can slug them and wait it out. I do feel DS is too strong though. If one person has DS then it is assumed the whole team has DS.
If if doesn't work in lockers, you just tunnel and slug them. The perk is designed to tell you to LEAVE THEM ALONE for a minute after they get unhooked, not just find a new method to tunnel them.
If you want to make a case for it turning off for working on a gen, hex totem, or unhook, I can get behind that. They are actively choosing to make themselves a target then. But hiding in a locker to avoid the slug or healing should absolutely be protected still.
I think locker DS is pretty cheap. Vault DS isn't. You can avoid that if you choose to.
I think it should. The reason why you find a person with DS in a locker is:
So in first case they have 100% right to DS, in second its kind of their fault but depends on a situation, and in third case they shouldnt be able to DS.
Hiding in a locker with DS is not the problem, what matters is why the DS was active in the first place.
So I think we should fix DS' activation/deactivation conditions, lockers have nothing to do with this.
Please stop pretending that not tunneling prevents usage of DS.
In 60s Killer can down and hook even 3 other surviviors and then find the guy with DS, and in 60s survivior with DS can get fully healed, finish a 50% gen alone and then get caught in a Bear Trap...
Tunneling or not has nothing to do with DS, it gives you 60 seconds of unconditional immunity to being picked up. Paired with Unbreakable it turns into complete immunity for 60s
DS should at least not last as long in lockers. Immunity is ridiculous.
You can slug them if they dont have Unbreakable. And Unbreakable is meta perk, only a bit less popular than the Holy Survivanian Quintinity (Selfcare, DS, BT, SB, DH)
I like that title! “Holy Survivanian Quintinity” - it has a nice ring to it.
I never get hit with DS. What're you doing wrong? Did you forget that you already hooked that guy just a moment ago? Then you deserve the stun. Learn to count. Count out the timer if the game is going *SO WELL* that you just dropped the whole team in less than a minute.
If you pick up the DS then to hook, you deserve it and you'll get no sympathy from me. If he's in a locker and you already have the entire team hooked... Just wait it out.
If you'd like to lose a scenario where you get DS'd, I'll happily tell you how to play better an not get hit by it. The perk is only a problem for those who make it one.
They all say the same thing, these ones. Over and over. Best not to engage.
DS should NOT work on grabs, only when you are downed.
DS in lockers is 60 seconds of invincibility, very unfair
Now you shift your narrative from "just dont tunnel" to "just ignore the guy whatever happens", but ok
The guy with DS can do gens non stop for 60 seconds, do you think Killer can afford to ignore that? Sluggingbis not always an option, and as I said, at this point you have always assume Unbreakable.
No one here has a problem with remembering who was unhooked, the tragedy here is that you know he is genrushing you but you cant do anything about it.
When DS first got changed I thought no it shouldn't and that it was ridiculous.
Now though? It seems justified.
The bad killers ruin it for everyone else. Some people tunnel mercilessly. It serves them right.
So what if they got unbreakable? Just hit them again. Worst case they run away. Either way that's a person that isn't doing totems or generators.
Because he can get up... Once per game? I already said I'm cool with a nerf that it turns off when touching a gen, hex totem, or unhooking as those are directly in the survivors control and make him a target.
The point is to give them a chance to recover and try to do something. If they work on a gen or unhook in your face, absolutely they should lose the immunity. Hell, I'd be okay with DS granting literal immunity until one of those conditions are met or 60 seconds elapse.
No one picks themselves in your face, you know...
"One person less doing generators"? DS is all the more reason to do gens, if the killer finds you, just go into a locker.
DS shouldn't work with locker grabs. The point of the perk is to deter tunneling not to make you invicible for 60 seconds. Slugging is a valid counter for DS, take Unbreakable if your worried about being slugged. The point is the killer should not be put in a position where they have to drop a chase because a survivor jumped in a locker right in front of them.
Way to completely misread the comment about unbreakable. If a person is slugged no they aren't on a generator. If they use unbreakable? Again, keep an eye on them and that wouldn't be an issue. Worst case they get up. Best case another guy tries to pick him up and gets caught too. I really like how you also say 'just go to a locker' when I just said in a different comment that's something that should be fixed. It's the one time that DS is problematic and unavoidable.
No, it shouldn't.
DS should be deactivated if they heal, do a gen, any objective or do anything. It sucks to have that happen, they can do anything they want for a good minute without anything happening to them.
Well ok, but why the person with DS should be allowed to be a threat and force killer to slug anyway? If DS disabled after you start any action (except vaulting) then there would be no problem.
Sorry for not reading your every comment, but I think DS on locker grabs is fine enough. That is if the change I mentioned above would be applied.
The source of bullshit with DS is surviviors ignoring threat of the killer and doing objectives under the protection of DS, not hiding in lockers.
They aren't forcing you to do anything. You have the option to just eat the DS and carry them off anyways. You're making the conscious choice to either slug them or eat it. Locker grabs is a forced decision. You can either leave a healthy/injured survivor in the locker or you eat it. That's a terrible design esp. when if they wanted to hide in a locker they could have head on too.
I said all this because they said DS is fine because you can just slug...
If you couldnt do objectives while DS is active, then I couldnt care less about unhooked person, unless I already downed the rescuer. I wouldnt even slug them, I would just patrol gens and pressure them instead of chasing useless people.
It should not work on any grab, especially lockers. Lockers are becoming way too safe these days. It should be dangerous to enter one. Running DS means that you can enter a locker without fear of being hooked. It's also BS to find a Survivor in a locker only to realize that they have DS active.
Agree. DS shouldn't be a locker perk.
I dont understand why DS should be active if you are working on objectives. You are not getting tunneled anymore so it shouldnt work. I couldnt care less about a useless guy with DS, in a locker or not.
DS from locker is kind of bullshit, but if I am really tunneling someone then every cheap move is fair play. Just make DS work only when tunneled.
May be unpopular but I definitely think it should. It prevents you from getting slugged and the killer timing it to avoid DS. Sometimes I get killers who like to stand on my body and literally wait. It’s boring for me. Yeah, my teammates get extra time on gens but where’s my fun ;-; . I feel like DS should just work differently. Having DS activate until another person is hooked seems like a pretty sufficient method to me, easily counter-able by simply playing the game!