For supposedly being an "anti-tunnel" perk, it sure is easy to force the killer to eat the stun.
They haven't even fixed the window tech yet, and that's a minor issue, so I highly doubt it.
Oh yeah. Almost forgot that phasing through the killer's torso to vault a window was a thing.
"i want to tunnel without getting punished in any ways at all so please make the perk useless"
why can't you just stop tunneling and go after someone else? seriously, it's not so hard. if you tunnel someone and they enter a locker, just leave them and patrol gens. or waste your time complaining and waiting in front of the locker, or eat the DS if you want that one survivor that bad
Thats the issue? Really? i could argue ds is being a problem or not but this...
"I want my free head start without the killer countering me"
See? I can make condescending quotes too.
Seriously though. It doesn't matter if you're tunneling or not, (not that it matters since tunneling is a valid strategy), it is ludicrous that you can force the killer either eat the stun or waste an entire minute of their time just to punish a mistake.
DS is already a badly designed perk that rewards mistakes.
Being able to force the killer to eat the stun or waste their time just makes it worse.
of course you can tunnel if you want but then you should stop complaining about perks that counter tunneling. if those perks are so big issue then stop tunneling lol i seriously don't understand, i never have issue with these perks as killer because i simply don't [BAD WORD] tunnel.
no one is "forced" to eat the DS, it's their own choice to tunnel and eat DS or waste time. nobody on earth forces them to do that.
DS doesn't even counter tunneling. If anything, it encourages the killer to eat the stuns early on so they don't become a free escape during the end game.
And please don't give me that laughable excuse about "not being forced to eat the stun". That's like saying you're not forced to save a team mate and get exposed by MYC. It's your direct objective, and the perk punishes you for deciding to complete it efficiently.
If you mean hopping into a locker with DS, then I have a secret counter:
dont open the locker and go after someone else
Whoa whoa whoa no logic is allowed here!!!
Assuming you come back to the hook and tunnel that poor guy just got unhooked otherwise there's no problem with DS, even useless on survivors if the killer don't tunnel, why not go for the rescuer instead.
please :D tunneling isn't even effective. especially with these perks existing. like i said, it's your own choice to waste your time if you want to tunnel that bad. just start playing normally and stop complaining already. i can start complaining about counterable killer perks too, if i choose to genrush (completing my objective effectively) i get punished by NOED, so if you think DS is "unfair" so is NOED and many other killer perks. DS and NOED are both counterable but people still complain because they're so stubborn to tunnel (killrush) or genrush
IMO the worst part of DS is not that is a counter for tunneling. It's the fact that is a free escape in the endgame. This perk and BT should not work after all gens are powered.. Its like a noed but for survivors. If the devs take that possibility away i think everyone would be ok with noed to be gone.
Iron will rewards you for taking a hit as well... so i guess you understand how stupid it sounds " rewards mistakes". And there are plenty of such perks.
why should you tunnel in endgame? if you played well, everyone alive should be dead on hook or at least struggle. just patrol area near the hook and exit gates, if they try to save, stop them. if they take a hit and unhook just hook them instead of tunneling. endgame makes no real difference
You way of responding doesn't make any sense its like saying "apply pressure" when you get gen rushed. I gived you facts and arguments of why DS and BT is broken in endgame and you just respond with "if you played well everyone should be dead" and "if they try to save stop them" lol. Like if it was possible with directional unhooks... and theres nothing you can do againts a DS and a BT in endgame, its literally a free escape same lvl of [BAD WORD] like noed.
If you are not trolling, I think a new meme has born here 🤣
I second that
I don't think many killers are annoyed with DS as a whole. It's when it gets abused that it becomes a problem.
You could have every intention to go after the rescuer but the rescuee is bodyblocking you due to bt, you lose the rescuer and are left with the survivor hiding in a locker.
Another scenario is that a survivor with DS goes for the unhook, you grab him...he ds's and goes for the unhook. Then the previous scenario plays out again.
Imo ds shouldn't activate if grabbed.
I like how you're telling him to ignore an injured survivor and patrol gens, thus losing said survivor and probably not finding others for a minute. Tunneling happens automatically if the survivor who was just unhooked makes a bad play and runs in the killers direction, just as camping happens when survivors stick around hooks. Sure there are a couple (a lot) of killers who camp or tunnel because they want to, but for the normal ones...those are the reasons. Survivors can't seem to accept that sticking to a hooked survivor makes the killer not leave as well as not lose chaser points :)
i can't take you seriously. i told you ways to counter these perks. they're fine. if you choose to target and tunnel one person, then dont complain when you get counterplayed lol
Whenever I play survivor, I use Iron will. It doesn't reward mistakes at all. It helps the survivor when they made a mistake, however DS punishes the killer for going after the previously hooked survivor (for 60 seconds) even when the survivor throws himself towards the killer on purpose during that time frame. A killer has to decide whether or not to slug them or pick them up. When I know someone has DS, I just slug em or go after someone else, if someone else is in my view
taking a hit isn't a mistake tho, it's just how how the game works
Lol you are the one that cant be taken seriously, i would take you seriously if you give me real arguments and no biased ones. And i never complaint about DS preventing tunneling. You dont even read... I said that DS is broken in endgame and can be abused like many other here agree. Thats its the only real bad thing about DS and BT that in my opinion should not work in EGC or after gens are powered. Its a free escape like a free kill from noed.
Then if i purposely eat pallet to trigger spirits fury(which is bad play i guess from your point of view) then from your vision that perk rewards bad play as well and should be removed?
I use that combo myself... that's just a simple tactic.
the same goes to this one
If you're doing something on purpose, then it's not a mistake. So please guys, don't start with these baby tactics that everyone already knows, just to try and justify dumb stuff ...
For example, imo if the killer picks up someone out of the closet, who was just hooked, that means the killer made a mistake by doing so and the survivors tactic worked out. The killer got played.
Even if I run Iron will, I'm not trying to get hit or purposely use the perk just cause I have it. It is literally only there to trick the killer easier and not to negate you taking a hit to save someone...that's not what it was made for, as it only negates sounds you make. Taking a hit there has nothing to do whether or not you did it on purpose or not, it'll still work.
Getting downed on purpose to stun killer with ds( in case killer picks survivor up ) is a tactic too.
You still don't get it...
Doing something on purpose or mistake changes the whole direction of the perk or it's usage. And simply getting hit by the killer, which activates iron will isn't on purpose (for normal survivor players), it's on purpose if you wanted to save a survivor.
The thing that changes mistake and on purpose is the reason as to why you did it.
you mean killers is doing his job by chasing survivors and get punished for that? or survivors gets downed (making mistake)and punishes killer for that? Well in that case killer is making mistake by picking up possible ds object before 60 seconds passed away.
And if you hook the one person and walk away they get saved then you get the rescuer and put them on the hook and the injured survivor with ds comes back unhooks you down them (which you should be rewarded for since the survivor did what would be considered dumb) but no wam ds and now you lost both survivors. Did i tunnel? No was it abused? Yes