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WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

After playing a couple hundred NOED games as survivor as of late, I have come to a very clear conclusion. Cleansing dull totems is not the best way to counter NOED. It takes 70 seconds for the cleansing animations alone which is nearly enough time to finish a gen. Instead of giving the killer a free gen, I suggest not healing and just pumping gens or if you want to go for saves NOED can always be cleansed after it has already applied to a hex. Cleansing dull totems just means the killer is getting max value from their NOED or in the worst case scenario the killer doesn't even have NOED and your team just wasted a whole gen's worth of time picking apart bones. If you like bp or use Inner Strength, cleansing the dull totems is still a very viable strat, but speaking optimally I suggest the other strategies I mentioned pertaining to countering NOED.



  • brublibrubli Member Posts: 136

    i feel like this is less of a way to counter NOED and a way to just win the game lol

  • joker7997joker7997 Member Posts: 899

    This Is why I started bringing detectives hunch, after each gen I go to the nearest totem to break it and eyeball where the next closest is. By the time 2 gets are done if the team hasn't got them, I got them all 95% of the time. One down after the last gen pops and they camp near the survivor and their noed totem, is a fun situation to play but almost always 1-2 are dead

  • illusionillusion Member Posts: 533

    Sorry, but i think i am missing something. What takes 70 seconds? Is that the time to cleanse all totems? I don't see that as being a big issue if everybody does it. The 15 seconds or so it takes to cleanse a totem, is not that big of an impact on any one person, especially for the ones you run across normally as you run around.

    Trying to cleanse after it is already active would, imo, be far more dangerous as you will have to search for it while the killer has the benefit of NOED. With it only taking 70 seconds to do a gen, less with toolboxes and/or others helping. I don't see that time as a big loss, as it can easily be made up. I wouldn't go out of my way searching though. But, so many are out in the open and using perks that detect them makes it pretty easy to find them along the way to wherever you are going.

    Not saying it's the wrong way to go. Sometimes the situation dictates the best approach.

  • KingFrostKingFrost Member Posts: 1,641

    Detective's Hunch is a really underrated perk. You can tell if others are doing totems or not. Combine it with inner strength and its fantastic. Funny thing about that game was that when I cleansed Noed, my first thought was "Wait, I'm injured. Why'd I bother cleansing this totem instead of getting out of here?" Then I realized I had inner strength.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    That's reasonable. Not everybody keeps track of all the totems and some prefer to cleanse them immediately.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    That's a pretty direct counter to NOED, I prefer to keep my build versatile and not rely on the killer picking specific perks for my success.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    I left out the tidbit that you should take note of any dull totems you see, to check later if you need to cleanse NOED.

  • arslaNarslaN Member Posts: 1,906

    Yep. This is definitely the best thing to do, in solo queue especially.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    Right, in some situations it is efficient to pick off some dull totems while the killer is checking you gen or whenever you have the time while being pressured.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    You often won't need to search that area later. Either the killer doesn't have NOED or someone else cleanses it or everybody sneaks out even with NOED up.

  • SoylentPixieSoylentPixie Member Posts: 922

    Call me crazy. But aren't both tactics a viable option?

    Yes you can cleanse totems as you go. Plus side, you're potentially getting rid of NOED early in the game, you get points, you feed inner strength if you have it. Cons, you risk the killer catching you in the act, you have no knowing if other totems have been cleansed.

    You can also memorise where totems are and cleanse it when NOED hits. Pro's, you spend more time on gens and don't risk getting caught in the open. The totem is lit and possibly easier to spot. Killer will likely camp hooked survivor and give you time to search while someone 99's the gates. Cons. NOED could be well hidden, killer might not camp and instead snowball.

    Both have advantages and disadvantages and tbh i'll pick either one over doing nothing and then coming to the forums to complain about a counter-able perk.

    Everyone has tactics that work well for themselves but might not be for others. Doesn't make it invalid.

  • Science_GuyScience_Guy Member Posts: 1,204

    This isn't really news, but the "Just Cleanse" meme has been going on for so long it can definitely seem like a lot of people haven't realized this.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    My tactic is applicable to more situations and is more efficient overall with good knowledge of totem spawns. However, cleansing dulls is efficient in some scenarios and should always be considered based on the current situation. Saying the counter to NOED is cleansing dull totems is just a false statement to me.

  • xenotimebongxenotimebong Member Posts: 1,592

    Yep. I don’t cleanse all 5, I leave the obvious totems and just cleanse the ones that are hidden/out of the way. Most of the time if you do this someone cleanses NOED within 30 seconds of it activating since the totem was super easy to find. Remove the chance of it spawning in a bad spot and it’s just as easy to deal with as any other hex.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    I'm more than willing to break totems when the opportunity presents itself, but often times it is most efficient to leave it for later.

  • The_HordeThe_Horde Member Posts: 83

    I may live on a different planet when it comes to this game, but when I play either survivor or killer I don't want the game to end that quickly. I find it silly to wait 10+ minutes in a lobby just to have the game end in 5. I guess I don't play solely to win, I enjoy the actual game play, so I don't mind doing totems and the game taking a bit longer.

    I would rather have a 10 minute game where I die on hook than a 5 minute game where I escape.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    This post was directed towards killers telling survivors how to win, not directed towards players trying to enjoy the game. I too often indulge in sitting back and hunting totems when I'm in the mood for a long relaxing game.

  • Con_IncCon_Inc Member Posts: 80

    Your way might work as well but I’d rather just do totems when I see them and try taking out noed before it even hits. One noed down at the end of the game could lead to that person being death hooked when they could just escape after getting hit. Doing it right away gives me points and more things to actually do in game and helps keep survivors safe from noed causing a mass snowball of survivors goin down at the end. Btw you can argue you way works better all you want but saying the counter to noed being do totems is a false statement is ridiculous. You doin the totem after it hits is well you countering noed after it’s active and taking it out so either way a totem is a counter to noed not a false statement.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    Risking 70 seconds for a single instadown seems like a good gamble to me. How is cleansing dulls better than rushing gens?

  • OutcastEricOutcastEric Member Posts: 475

    Counter or not the fact that you have more than one option to combat noed as you've just stated makes NOED noob fodder only. 70 seconds is 70 seconds of gen time not being pumped into the killers face. NOED is fine. Do bones

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    What are you trying to say? This is meant to be an informative post.

  • PrettyFaceKatePrettyFaceKate Member Posts: 1,704

    It's still wise to pre-cleanse totems near the gates and the basement.

  • EnderloganYTEnderloganYT Member Posts: 561

    if killers have to assume everyone has ds if there's an obsession then survivors should have to assume everyone has NOED.

    70 seconds isn't that much time, and using that time on totems while 3 others are doing gens is an alright trade for survivors. if one person goes for totems, the other 3 can work on gens, meaning 2-3 gens will probably pop in the time. you'll be fine. it's not like you'll instantly lose because of a minute and 10 seconds, but you may lose if the killer gets an insta down.

    TL;DR you'll be fine.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    Does that qualify as "do bones". I think it falls more under "adjust your strategy for tackling objectives based on the current situation and the behavior of other players".

  • OutcastEricOutcastEric Member Posts: 475

    Meant to be informative but you're just stating an opinion. Theres no set way to play around noed in every game. There are too many variables and youd need a couple hundred games of playing against noed (on each map and against the best killers) to make a solid claim like the optimal play against noed. There is no one way

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    I think an instadown is worth less than the killer extending the game and getting more kills before all the gens can pop. 70 seconds is huge in dbd, and it can be the difference between all gens popped and 1 gen left which the killer can pressure and extend even further.

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