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  • JesterClownJesterClown Member Posts: 219

    Some of the things you mentioned are imperfect strategys. Say I start slugging and then run to the next survivor, a third survivor can just pick up the survivor a chose to down, thereby completely missing a hook oppurtunity.

    Bloodlust hardly ever gives value, ive seen bloodlust give value maybe like twice in the several months ive experienced of DBD.

    Camping is powerful, in a vacuum, if you are persistent enough you can kill one survivor. However the problem with that is the same problem with choosing to chase a survivor on a loop for several minutes. Each minute that you are wasting time on securing a kill, that is a likely another completed gen.

    Ruin is a hex and the new survivor perk has significantly weakened the power of hexes. Not to mention that Ruin gives no value if you commit to finishing a gen.

  • MissKitty95MissKitty95 Member Posts: 426

    You play like that’s but complain about a ds this post is laughable

  • RaccoonRaccoon Member Posts: 3,796

    Yeah, it sure does suck when someone plays extremely well.

    Please elaborate on "play like that" and explain how he/she "should" play.

    I literally have my popcorn ready.

  • Kumnut768Kumnut768 Member Posts: 789

    how are you so ignorant, if a survivor runs infront of you, should you just let him go?? its not an abuse of game mechanics to slug it punishes survivors for bad positioning dont be so entitled

  • Johnny_XManJohnny_XMan Member Posts: 3,050

    @Kumnut768

    Did I (anywhere in my response) say you should let a survivor who runs infront of you go? No.

    I am not talking about the strategic scenarios where slugging is warranted. I'm talking about the excessive (unnecessary) slugging. You obviously don't play survivor enough to understand, so maybe you should try it out before you start calling people ignorant.

  • KoloniteKolonite Member Posts: 1,226

    Only people that ever called it that weren't devs. Devs call it anti-momentum. It's not meant to stop you from tunneling. It's meant to stop you from being able to just steam roll people. Don't know why they thought the game needed that, but hey... Can't have the killers kill you too good ig

  • LALYTHIALALYTHIA Member Posts: 1,657

    Well, for starters, they didn't play all that well. If they had literally just had the forethought to pick ANYONE ELSE up, they wouldn't have gotten DS'd on and wouldn't have a reason to make this ridiculous thread. What's the use of playing so "efficiently" if you can't even keep track of what you're doing at that pace?

    So yes, making this post as though they played flawlessly and DS is the problem is pretty laughable.

  • LALYTHIALALYTHIA Member Posts: 1,657

    You don't know why they thought the game needed that (or BT for that matter)? Because they actually want to retain survivors...because they are 80% of this game. If Killers can just hard tunnel everyone out of the game...people would just stop playing. It takes zero skill for Killers to play that way. Why would anyone want to play a losing game against people who don't actually have to have any skill to 'win'? LOL

    DS/BT exists because of killers, not survivors.

  • KoloniteKolonite Member Posts: 1,226

    If they called it an anti-tunnel perk I'd agree. They don't want it to just be anti-tunnel though. It's not tunneling to down and hook another survivor see someone you already hooked and then eat a DS because it was less than sixty seconds. I like BT and think it does it's job. Good perk. DS also does it's job from the developers standpoint. I said I don't get why they thought we needed an anit-momentum perk. Not anti-tunneling. I didn't even say that I didn't like DS being in the game. You just assumed I did because I said I don't get why the devs treat it like it's not anti-tunneling like everyone else does.

  • hahadrillgobrrrhahadrillgobrrr Member Posts: 953

    I hope you don't mind asking but why are you so fixated on tunneling? You are in every thread talking about how killers do nothing but tunnel, tunneling doesn't take any skill and so on.

  • RaccoonRaccoon Member Posts: 3,796

    It was the best play given the match's context (which was obtained by reading the thread).

  • LALYTHIALALYTHIA Member Posts: 1,657

    This is a thread about anti-tunnel perks and tunneling? So thats why I'm talking about it here.

    I talk about tunneling often because it's a rampant issue in the game.

  • LALYTHIALALYTHIA Member Posts: 1,657
    edited June 2020

    You said it's meant to stop Killers from steam rolling people...and immediately followed it by you dont know why devs thought the game needed that. I'm still confused how you don't know why developers wouldnt want Killers to be able to steam roll people. Everything in my previous statements stands...if you want to argue semantics and replace the word "tunnel" with "steam roll" because thats a better word in your book, by all means, do so. LOL

    I didn't assume anything. I just don't see how you could say in one sentence that it's meant to not allow Killers to steam roll people...and then the very next sentence say you don't know why the game would need that...its pretty obvious.

  • hahadrillgobrrrhahadrillgobrrr Member Posts: 953

    Yeah I understand it in this thread but I remember you from several threads talking about tunneling. Where it is so rampant issue that you dedicate so much time and effort to comment on it so much? I'm on PC EU and I hardly get tunneled.

  • dangitbendangitben Member Posts: 58

    Ive just accepted that some games I get tunneled as a survivor and some games as killer im getting rolled and have to try to at least get a kill. The sooner you can do that the better your experience will be

  • KoloniteKolonite Member Posts: 1,226

    If a myers downs your whole team with one tier 3 and hooks you all he deserves the win. You got steam rolled. Someone kobes off and everyone gets unhooked and then has 60 seconds of immunity and gets to DS isn't anti-tunneling. It's anti-momentum like the devs want it to be. If you get steam rolled like that you deserve it. Tunneling isn't steam rolling. Tunneling is focusing one survivor until they're out of the game. I think DS is fine and has it's place, but it's not purely anti-tunneling. Don't act like it is lmao. Steam roll means you are [BAD WORD] ruining the whole team. Tunneling isn't that. You want it to be that because you're so caught up with your campaign against tunneling that everyone that says anything about DS is for tunneling lmao. So, actually... You assumed a whole lot, bud. LOL

  • LALYTHIALALYTHIA Member Posts: 1,657

    No it wasn't.

    She knew the Meg had JUST gotten off the hook. It would have been far more intelligent to pick one of the other two survivors up first. If she had, she wouldn't have been hit with DS and would have avoided at least one unbreakable. Just because Meg COULD HAVE had unbreakable, she ignored the fact that she OBVIOUSLY had DS. LOL This killer just made a mistake and paid for it.

  • LALYTHIALALYTHIA Member Posts: 1,657

    I'm on PC NA-West and its almost every match, especially if it's the new killer. To be specific, it's most prominent in the evening, although I'm not sure why that is...less little kids? LOL idk. And I talk about it so much because these forums and the main PC DBD fb group I was on are both majority Killer players voicing their opinion. Survivors need a voice. I advocate for the survivor perspective most of the time. People should understand that ruining other people's matches on purpose ruins the game for everyone. This is an important issue.

  • bumcheeks1bumcheeks1 Member Posts: 8

    For anyone curious, here’s the video of the full match (the DS hits at 8:00).

  • hahadrillgobrrrhahadrillgobrrr Member Posts: 953

    On purpose? Killer trying to win is ruining peoples matches? Same could be said for 4-man swat teams if we want to go down this road. That could be seen as ruining the match for killer, do you agree?

  • dangitbendangitben Member Posts: 58

    Whenever i play as a killer I punish poor decisions. If you unhook someone in front of me I’m going to do what the game encourages me to do, which is to kill the unhooked person.

  • LALYTHIALALYTHIA Member Posts: 1,657

    To say that Killers who camp/tunnel are trying to win is kind of a fallacy. Often times face camping/tunneling doesn't lead to what most people would consider a win: an up pip or a near perfect game or even a 4k. Instead, it just ruins someone else's match while ignoring actual game play. If a Killer was intended to camp a hook and smack and injured survivor right off of it, there wouldn't be 4 emblems in this game meant to entice killers into doing other things: like patting gens, finding new survivors, chasing, hitting people, and hooking other survivors multiple times. Unfortunately, for too many people, a "win" has nothing to do with challenging themselves to play well or skillfully, nor does it have anything to do with points/pips...too many people find their 'win' in just ruining the game for other people - even if it means they do poorly by game standard. And thats a problem.

    And no, the same cannot be said for a 4-man SWAT team. For starters - stats show a 4-man SWAT team is the least likely team you're going to play...nearly every match I play consists of camping/tunneling/slugging. When it doesn't, its actually so note worthy I usually end up thanking the Killer just for playing fair - even when I die - which is sad. Its sad that it has become noteworthy when Killers just have skill to legitimately death hook survivors. The only 4-man SWAT you need to even be concerned about is a red rank...camping/tunneling/slugging can be used as a cheap method of killing people on any killer, at any rank, and takes no skill to implement. Secondly, a 4-person SWAT team still can't do anything as toxic as a Killer of their skill level. A killer has literally taken me out of a game in 2 minutes and rendered less than 2k pts thanks to terrible spawn RNG, a [BAD WORD] teammate who teamed with the Killer, and an ebony mori. The only person who could have ensured that didn't happen to me WAS the Killer...but we all know what they chose to do.

    It is the laziest, weakest, least skillful way to play DBD. Hands down. There is no challenge in coming right back to an off-hook and downing someone with no recourse. Especially today. This game has never been easier for Killers than it is right now. And because of that, this style of game play is even more of a detriment than ever.

    Also, 4-person teams don't perform that much better than random solo teams. They are harder to deal with because they are more coordinated, but statistically they are not escaping all that more often than random teams. So what Killers are feeling is more pressure in match in order to get their kills...not really much in the way of an actual significant difference in survival rates.

    I agree that SWAT teams are frustrating. But they don't have nearly the toolset to be as toxic in game. And they are experienced way less frequently than survivors experience camping and tunneling - especially right now.

  • Johnny_XManJohnny_XMan Member Posts: 3,050

    @hahahillbillygobroom

    Because threads like these get brought up on the daily.

    This is killer's mentality:

    "We want DS nerfed!"

    ALSO Killers...

    "But we want to keep tunneling and camping like we're used to doing."

    Sorry but as imperfect as DS and Unbreakable might seem. It is alleviating some of the abuse that can be done with Tunneling and Camping.

  • hahadrillgobrrrhahadrillgobrrr Member Posts: 953
    edited June 2020

    There are so many biased opinions in this comment it is just best to leave it be.

  • HuffHuff Member Posts: 1,346

    This is why I'm saving loads of moris on any killer I get to P3. It'll be my "DS insurance" so I don't have to deal with stuff like this. Anyone who gives me crap for using probably the most powerful killer tool will just get told the same thing that people who hate DS are told "I need it to counter this certain type of playstyle, just play better it's so easily counterable."

  • LALYTHIALALYTHIA Member Posts: 1,657

    There really aren't though. But you're welcome to let it be, if you'd like. :)

  • w_sohlw_sohl Member Posts: 120

    A Mori and DS are two different things. A Mori ends that players game, DS doesn't end the killers game, it just extends a chase.

  • w_sohlw_sohl Member Posts: 120

    So all this whining about DS and you got a 4k? Boo [BAD WORD] hoo, it took you a minute longer to get your 4k.

  • HuffHuff Member Posts: 1,346

    It's mostly supposed to be sarcastic. But I really am gonna save moris up just as "insurance." I'm not the kinda person to just mori off first hook but you can definitely tell when some people are trying to play like a jerk, and that's who they'll be for. :^)

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