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Campers and tunnelers on blast.

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  • Misann0830Misann0830 Member Posts: 24

    Exactly. Some people take this whole thing so seriously. I do too, but not so much that I try to take away from everyone or take the fun out of it because I played unfair. Besides, if I win, I want it to be because I played fair and did it on my own. That's way more rewarding than camping and getting easy kills. That's when you can actually know that you're the better player, at least for that match lol.

  • 5thPerkSlot5thPerkSlot Member Posts: 395

    Facecamping can give you a 4k and high BPs IF:

    • SWF go kamikaze and get downed (you can play a bit letting them unhook sometimes), must slug and master other techniques
    • if use Blood Warden (super importantttt!!!) but avoid using it in the new map that is bugged and not fixed yet (PGJSF)
  • Misann0830Misann0830 Member Posts: 24

    And that's exactly why they do it-attention. I guess since they all have the toxic factor in common, they want to stick together. It's cool, they can cheat and play however they want. But what's funny is these same people who play like jerks say it's because they're just doing their job as a killer but complain about a survivor doing survivor things...they're just doing their job too, right?

    And I don't feel bullied. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some just Express it more...colorfully than others.

  • Misann0830Misann0830 Member Posts: 24

    I hide pretty well too. But one of our objectives as survivors is to help our teammates...which almost always gets me hooked. And, especially lately, once I'm hooked I'm tunneled until I'm dead. Same goes for most other survivors, granted the fact that they're actually good and helpful teammates. It is cheating if you continue to tunnel someone or camp them on the hook and keep their teammates from helping them or giving them a chance at all just so you can get your kill. Idk, I guess I'm just not as selfish and douchey like some people.

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 17,049

    So how come your teammates don't get tunneled when you unhook them? Clearly you must be doing something wrong.

    PS: You don't define what "cheating" is, the devs do. It's their game, their rules.

  • Misann0830Misann0830 Member Posts: 24

    Okay but in my case? I play with one other person or I play alone. So that theory doesn't fit here. I'd do gens and stop whining if killers wouldn't tunnel.

  • Misann0830Misann0830 Member Posts: 24

    Not what I said nor was it even implied. They will literally tunnel someone and/or camp them, whoever they happen to get down first, until they're dead. As said person's teammate, I try to help them. This most often leads to me being the next target. Or whoever they choose. So yeah, I guess in that case, I must be doing ALL the things wrong.

    The devs may not consider it cheating but from what I've read, they also highly frown upon it. Hence the fact that you get a penalty, however slight that is, for doing it. Apparently it isn't enough to deter it because here we are. You can defend it all you want. It is still an extremely crappy way to play.

  • CriminalMind_ITACriminalMind_ITA Member Posts: 93

    Damn, survivors can only cry

    We literally get bullied, and you guys cry because we tunnel?

    And call it cheating too?!

    Damn ahahaha

  • LALYTHIALALYTHIA Member Posts: 1,657

    I feel your frustration.

    People who cannot play a match without rampant camp/tunnel are pretty sad, IMO. As you are correct, it is a very cheap, lazy, weak way to play the game that is neither skillful, nor presents any particular challenge to the Killer. It's very disheartening that you can out play someone an entire match and still die in the end if you get caught once because they will just stand in front of you and watch you die, even though death should take 3 hooks, not one. It is unfair. It is uncalled for. I refuse to play this way when I play killer for those reasons. I actually enjoy this game and like playing the game as intended and meeting all of my objectives. I hope you have some better matches soon.

  • gofugofu Member Posts: 133

    It's funny how half the whining on this forum could simply be avoided if you look at the issue from both sides.

    In short, if the killer camps you throughout the match he's throwing the game away and giving your team a free win.

    In detail, if this killer camps you, and tunnels you throughout the game.

    Given he's the average killer and you're the average you'll probably waste 45 seconds before getting downed by him. But why in god's name would he camp you for wasting average 45s? You must have taken like, at least 100 secs of chase time for him to be this bitter. But I'll just assume he's had a bad day in these calculations. 50s chase time

    If he decides to camp you on first hook, lt's 60 seconds per phase, 2 minutes total. The 3 other survivors could each do a gen each, and the quarter of another gen (20 seconds taken to go to the next gen)

    He's wasted a total of 170 seconds on you, almost 3 minutes. EACH survivor can get 2 gens done in 170 seconds and pretty much by the time he's done camping you every single gen would have been done (Oh, and the 3 survivors didn't even get a 1st hook).

    By camping as killer, you throw the entire game away and end up with a 1k (loss). By getting camped as survivor, and decide not to be a d‎ickhead and suicide, you're giving your team a free win hence making that miserable camping killer lose. Think about it, you're the winner at the end of the day.

    It's not a real issue as far as this goes, and implementing more anti-tunelling perks than the ones that already exist would simply break the game furthermore especially in SWFs. Take the free win and move on.

  • Misann0830Misann0830 Member Posts: 24

    Not at all true. I don't believe I should be allowed to do something just because I want to, I believe you should be allowed to do something because you're suppose to. Because it shouldn't be an issue...

    So if I'm doing something wrong because I'm not a d*ok then I suppose you're right...

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 17,049
    edited June 22

    You are allowed to try to do something, but you're not supposed to be able to do it 100% of the time. You have a chance. That's it.

    Feeding is indeed doing something wrong, no matter how you justify it to yourself. I was repeatedly unhooked without BT and without anyone taking any protection hits by people who thought they were "helping". In this instance, it's not the thought that counts. They [BAD WORD] up, period.

  • Misann0830Misann0830 Member Posts: 24

    Lol yes. Yeah, survivors bully killers because we can hurt them in so many ways and literally eliminate them from a match altogether.

    Let me know which survivor you play with that can do anything besides TEMPORARILY blind the killer or TEMPORARILY stun them...I need that character in my life.

  • KallKall Member Posts: 45

    While technically not cheating it's a scummy way to play, however the blame doesn't fall completely on the killers.

    So, I see this dbd as a 5 man team-play game, killer included. The problem is that more often than not the 5th player, the killer or a survivor, is absolutely selfish (and rightly so, keep reading) in his mission towards his objectives. In order to have a good match the end goal here for the entire team (of 5) is to collect as many BP as possible and - if that's their thing - work towards rank up. Everyone in that game is on the same boat whether you accept this or not.

    So when a killer decides to tunnel someone in the first 4-5 minutes of a match, that killer is denying that player a reasonably enjoyable experience by not allowing him to leave the match with a reasonable amount of BP, not even 5k which is a very low bar request. In my personal opinion that's despicable because you're on the same match for the same objective, and that's what's important to remember here, the objective is BP's, which will help you rank up whether you finish your main objective or not (kill'em all / survive).

    For me a camping/tunneling killer is a team-mate gone rogue. Yet they are entitled to do so, and this falls squarely into the lap of the developers as they've always promoted the message of "us versus them", while at the same time they undermine their own message with "conditions" of what is considered fair play in their badges. Stuff like you loose BP if you're not X amount of meters away from the hook, Mori's provide less BP, etc.

    As a developer you can't say 'yes to fairplay' while at the same time saying yes to denying someone a reasonable match (by saying camping is fine), and saying 'that's just the way it is' is part of the problem. "Camping is fine for us but hei; here's a bunch of deterrents on our badges to make killers reconsider". So is it fine or not?

    Most people playing this game casually at low ranks aren't going to read the badge descriptions to maximize fair play and BP outcomes, they just wanna kill people, and the most efficient way if one guy at a time, get rid of him/her and move on to the next. So to play devil's advocate here for a moment, it's not the killer's fault of playing unfairly to survivors when the devs and the game actively suggest the best and most efficient way of killing is camping/tunneling, on low ranks anyway. It works, so people do it, of course they do.


    Saying that - and going back to the team of 5 argument - I am not saying that on the occasions that you do get the selfish 5th player, that it's always the killer, it isn't. Killers can get bullied by a team of try hards with flashlights and/or get gen rushed with Brand New Part. And that's completely selfish by denying the killer their BP.

    But I think the difference here is how often Gen-rush happens compared to how often camping/tunneling happens. With the later happening a lot more often to many people as there are more people in low ranks, and the former only happening to killers playing against purple and red survivor ranks. So you can't deny the problem of camping/tunneling is larger and more frequent than gen-rushing.

    Personally I find it easy to farm BP's on killer, I don't even have to kill anyone and still get upwards of 20-25k. But as a survivor, it's very stressful to get the same amount. It's a 5 man match with the same objective for all 5 people (BP's), so why deny that to someone? 🤨

  • Misann0830Misann0830 Member Posts: 24

    That's the whole point...you don't get that chance at all when the killer is camping. Especially if they're playing with Hillbilly or Leatherface.

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 17,049

    There's always a chance, it's just a very small one. If you think you can't succeed or if the cost will be too great, then go do something else. That's how the game works.

  • KallKall Member Posts: 45

    While technically not cheating it's a scummy way to play, however the blame doesn't fall completely on the killers.

    So, I see this dbd as a 5 man team-play game, killer included. The problem is that more often than not the 5th player, the killer or a survivor, is absolutely selfish (and rightly so, keep reading) in his mission towards his objectives. In order to have a good match the end goal here for the entire team (of 5) is to collect as many BP as possible and - if that's their thing - work towards rank up. Everyone in that game is on the same boat whether you accept this or not.

    So when a killer decides to tunnel someone in the first 4-5 minutes of a match, that killer is denying that player a reasonably enjoyable experience by not allowing him to leave the match with a reasonable amount of BP, not even 5k which is a very low bar request. In my personal opinion that's despicable because you're on the same match for the same objective, and that's what's important to remember here, the objective is BP's, which will help you rank up whether you finish your main objective or not (kill'em all / survive).

    For me a camping/tunneling killer is a team-mate gone rogue. Yet they are entitled to do so, and this falls squarely into the lap of the developers as they've always promoted the message of "us versus them", while at the same time they undermine their own message with "conditions" of what is considered fair play in their badges. Stuff like you loose BP if you're not X amount of meters away from the hook, Mori's provide less BP, etc.

    As a developer you can't say 'yes to fairplay' while at the same time saying yes to denying someone a reasonable match (by saying camping is fine), and saying 'that's just the way it is' is part of the problem. "Camping is fine for us but hei; here's a bunch of deterrents on our badges to make killers reconsider". So is it fine or not?

    Most people playing this game casually at low ranks aren't going to read the badge descriptions to maximize fair play and BP outcomes, they just wanna kill people, and the most efficient way if one guy at a time, get rid of him/her and move on to the next. So to play devil's advocate here for a moment, it's not the killer's fault of playing unfairly to survivors when the devs and the game actively suggest the best and most efficient way of killing is camping/tunneling, on low ranks anyway. It works, so people do it, of course they do.


    Saying that - and going back to the team of 5 argument - I am not saying that on the occasions that you do get the selfish 5th player, that it's always the killer, it isn't. Killers can get bullied by a team of try hards with flashlights and/or get gen rushed with Brand New Part. And that's completely selfish by denying the killer their BP.

    But I think the difference here is how often Gen-rush happens compared to how often camping/tunneling happens. With the later happening alot more often to many people as there are more people in low ranks, and the former only happening to killers playing against purple and red survivor ranks. So you can't deny the problem of camping/tunneling is larger and more frequent than gen-rushing.

    Personally I find it easy to farm BP's on killer, I don't even have to kill anyone and still get upwards of 20-25k. But as a survivor, it's very stressful to get the same amount. It's a 5 man match with the same objective for all 5 people (BP's), so why deny that to someone? 🤨

    

  • PaintedDeathPaintedDeath Member Posts: 14

    The only thing I see is a bunch of finger pointing from survivors to killers and vice versa.

    I play with a "don't be a dick" attitude, and I feel it works out pretty well. I don't tunnel people, if I happen to hook someone twice really quick into the game I will just leave them on the floor, so they are still not repairing gens, a team mate has to stop repairing gens to help them, and no one feels cheated. I can't loop that well, but I will say that survivors who just loop and loop and loop just to kill time are kinda dicks. The killer is supposed to be a punishment for having gotten caught, and just looping him constantly after a fair amount of time is dickish. We are all here to have fun and play a fair game, and being a dick to the other person isn't a good look.

    And I get it it, its the internet. People are dicks on the internet, and if you are a person who does these kind of things and you just shrug your shoulders at it, maybe consider that you don't have to be a dick? I mean, you could play like not a dick, and give everyone a good ol time. You don't HAVE to be a dick.

    Maybe all the toxicity everyone feels is killing the game should be shouldered by the actual community, and we all just agree to stop playing like dicks?

  • DwinchesterDwinchester Member Posts: 961

    My dick levels are reactionary to how the survivors are playing. I've been getting matches here lately where the survivors are woefully outmatched, and I play extremely nice. Free unhooks, no tunneling, giving the last guy hatch, even farming a little before starting the massacre again.

    Now if I'm getting gen rushed, or they're splitting up well, or if i get the sluntest whiff of toxicity, I will do whatever it takes to win, including tunneling and camping.

  • Misann0830Misann0830 Member Posts: 24

    I love your name. But I don't think that survivors have the upper hand. I understand the SWF [BAD WORD], it's happened to me while playing as a killer. I however, don't play like a dick when I'm a survivor either. I know I can't speak for everyone, I know survivors can be dicks too. But someone on here said that everyone should just playing like dicks and I agree. If we all stop being assholes and stop taking out what the devs do on each other in frustration, the whole game would be better.

  • Misann0830Misann0830 Member Posts: 24

    I do the same. The rank matching system is beyond fkd. That's generally what lands a team's loss when the camping and tunneling isn't happening.

  • DwinchesterDwinchester Member Posts: 961

    Thanks. I'm a huge supernatural fan and would love to see a chapter in dbd.

    Even the elite killers like umbra, otz, and tru3 agree that survivors have the upper hand when played on equal skill to the killer. I think matchmaking is the biggest dick factor right now, killers are getting frustrated and doing whatever it takes. Had a guy one hook mori camping as deathslinger earlier, that about as toxic as it gets.

  • LALYTHIALALYTHIA Member Posts: 1,657

    This is complete horse [BAD WORD]. LOL the vast majority of Killer matches I play these days and actually kill people, I 4k. I never camp/tunnel anyone. All too often I have teams on death hook 2-3 gens in. And unless I am doing it for a daily, I usually don't kill anyone and challenge myself to pip by meeting every other emblem objective...and I don't have issues pipping this way either. The only time I even get challenged or have to really work for it is if I get a coordinated SWF group - and those are the least frequent type of group you get. This game has literally never been less survivor sided, and never been easier for Killers in its history than it is right now.

  • KallKall Member Posts: 45
    edited June 22

    I adapt, like mentioned by others, if a survivor is flashlight stunning me like 3 times (why on earth doesn't this have diminishing returns?) and infinite looping me I will focus down that tw*t and camp him dead, the others can finish the game any way they want, I won't care about them.

    If a killer is camping/tunneling, assuming I'm not the one being tunneled first then I stealth and gen the whole game, loop him if he finds me.

    There are d*cks on both sides of the argument, but I guess the point is you don't HAVE to start each game as a d*ck, but you can adapt to one by becoming one and no one can judge you for it.

  • RivynRivyn Member Posts: 2,214
    edited June 22

    Remember, doing gens is now akin to cheating, by your logic. For shame.

    Plus, 'putting on blast,' or naming/shaming, is against forum rules. Not to mention we have to go by 'your' definition of camping/tunneling, while being unable to see the other side.

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