No there is a way to escape her, just nothing is ever guaranteed. Is it this hard to understand?
I stated why... Do you not read? Spine chill makes you rely on faster vaults so you get cocky and iron will makes it easier to mindgame. I want to play without reliance on perks. Thats why. I have ran Spine chill since I first got the perk and I have like 900 hours. Trust me im an advocate of Spine chill. But I want to get better all on my own
"Thats usually 4 maybe 5 options mith multiple counters."
This is exactly what it's like with Spirit. At any given point she has 3-5 valid options to catch you. If you pick the option that counters the most of her options at once (eg. the safe option) you have a high chance to escape. But then if it's later in the game you might expect her to try a different option, in which case you take more of a risk to pick this other option that less safe but more rewarding if you pull it off.
The parallels are very clear here.
Exactly. Thank you. Every other killer can be escaped
So you just want a 100% guaranteed way to escape then.
That's not a reasonable expectation. You're just asking for the killer to get nerfed because you suck at playing against her. You have many valid options to beat her, but you don't care for any of that you just want the same 'ol looping like every other killer so you don't have to expend the energy to improve at the game.
Also you don't exactly have a guaranteed way to escape every killer, just an invariably higher chance to escape say a Wraith because the game's mechanics lend itself to favor the survivor escaping.
For real yeah the mod messaged earlier today lol.
No need to be rude mate, I was just asking a question as to the reasoning as you saying because it helps in chase doesnt give too much insight into your reasoning.
You should escape when you can outlay a killer. If a spirit sucks at looping and you are way better, then uses her power and now has ALL the power that is unfair.
What does that have to do with guessing?
Look, for the most part, every tile is set up for survivors to survive, when played correctly, killer cant get a down. Thus, he has to be unpredictable and guess what the survivor will do. Ultimately, the survivor is in total control and the killer gets lucky.
Spirit and nurse are the two killers that can flip that on its head. Killer is now in control, and survivors have to guess. Not everything has counter play in this game, killers have to deal with ds/unbreakable, dead hard for distance, god pallets, and keys. Survivors can deal with two high skill killers.
But you can outplay a Spirit. You just don't do it by looping like every other killer, just like you don't beat a mix up character by playing against them like they were a shoto.
Yeah I apologize but I'm getting so many pointless replies that basically don't add anything to what is said and having people misconstrue what I say 2 times in a row is annoying. I apologize
You have pointless arguments that doesn't actually solve this so im done talking to you because frankly we will get nowhere
Ik you are joking but be careful dont get jailed now
I'm familiar with this concept. I agree that Spirit is the closest character we have in dbd to this archetype, but I do not think she embodies it enough to be a mix-up character herself. The plethora of information she has over survivors make her less about "mix-ups" and more about pinpointing the survivor's location via sounds.
I hear her phase in chase on occasion. Usually i lose chase due to her phasing and not seeing me. but i dont worry about it i know or read what she is doing and i plan for it right. The key to spirit is WASTE her time
and what about with other killers?? Looping a killer is a lot??? baiting vaults and windows is a lot? I dont understand.. All killers are the same to me you read the killer study their style/habits and use that against them.
Nah I dislike going against her cuz I can’t use my skill I’ll pallet stun them get half way across the map but oh no in two seconds all that distance is gone well guess I should learn how to play better :/
IF A KILLER CAN NEGATE IT THAT IS UNFAIR. Only NURSE should be able to do that, instead they keep making killers doing it and are easier to play and if it keeps up survs are gonna quit. We deserve to have an equal chance to win. It is so frustrating to not be able to have a good chance at winning regardless of skill because of a killer. Just like swf is unfair too because a swf doesnt need skill to win and look how many killers complain. Swf can be dealt with like every other survivor
There is plenty of evidence to show she has counter play yet it's always dismissed for the same reasons.
The problem is your mentality thinking she has no counterplay so you shut your mind to any possibility that could be the case and thus never improve as a player.
Honestly if you want to ever get anywhere with this you need to stop being so closed minded.
Yes, let's compare a fighting game to Dead by Daylight.
What's next? Maybe write an essay on how similar Call of Duty is to Farming Simulator? Both have vehicles, right?
I don't seem to be understanding.... I don't have these issues you claim to have against her. I stream the game and i could have any one who watches come in here and tell you my escape rate against spirit is at least 8/10 matches against her. The only time i lose to a a spirit is if she tunnels/camps. I don't have to see things your way and I respect your opinions but she isn't as bad as people make her out to be. why should ONLY one killer be strong enough to deal with good survivors??? Why should all other killers have to be weak against them?? I don't understand... Its not even like EVERY killer you phase is going to be playing as spirit.
I am not. I literally WANT to see counterplay. I have gone against so many spirits. And the only ones I could run were bad killers all the good ones I couldn't. Same with my teammates. I have not met ONE person who could wreck a good spirit. So please show me the counters and show me they work. @ScottJund literally is open to go against anyone with his spirit he and me myself just want to find a counter. Everything said is not a counter. Guesses are not counters being forced to run perks is also not. And praying they are bad is not a counter. Show me a counter please. Prove what you said because there is so many vids showing that she cant be outplayed. Scottjund WRECKED zubat all in under 60 seconds and zubat is considered on the the BEST players
It's a simple comparison, stop being snarky.
I mean it seems more like comparing the psychological aspect of them in the OP, but why not compare CoD and Farming Sim, they're both the same medium and are both serialized to the point that it's practically the same game released with a new coat of paint, sports games fall into this category too, this is off topic to the thread but it is an interesting thing to discuss.
ONI and BILLY. They are balanced and can do just as good. You dont need to be uncounterable and negate everything to win. Nurse is fine because she is hard as [BAD WORD] spirit is easy
Scott said it himself it IS counter play just not "fun" counter play and that's his opinion on the fun factor. Why does everyone use scott in their arguments his word is not law hes wrong about some things and doesn't dictate my thought process on this game one bit. Yes i agree on some of the stuff he says but I don't have to agree on everything he says. Again we will just have to agree to disagree it will just be sad to see her nerfed AGAIN because survivors cant seem to figure out how to play against her. I would honestly love to see her kill rate @Peanits or whoever it is that runs those numbers because i highly doubt it will be dramatic.
Every time the Killer is guessing in an attempt to outplay the survivors, the survivors are also guessing.
These are your opinions. Nurse sure has somewhat of a high skill cap but she wasn't that hard for me to pick up. once you get her down its game over theres no if ands or buts about it. And as for Billy and oni, both are susceptible to pallets and loops and if you dont give oni a hit early game his power is useless. but again these are my thoughts and opinions and you dont have to agree but i dont have to be a sheep ans fall in line with the spirit hate.
Dude Scott is smart thats why and he looks at things logically. Anyways she wasn't nerfed that bad
Loook i agree before she needed it it was nonsense with the collision and her addons at the time but.. I look at things based on my experience. Why would I argue to keep her the way she is if i felt as a survivor she was unfun to go against?? If every game i had against her nothing i did worked against her and every chase lasted 5 seconds against her i would understand but the fact of the matter is it isnt like that at all for me and i feel she is fine.