You don't have time to recover from a shock and unhook, the next shock will be within a quarter second after being able to unhook again. So he can force people to death. Equally stupid to old revving Bubba. Or am I missing something?
dont unhook infront of the doc?
Timing or diversion. You coukd fake an unhook and try to dodge it. Another teammate can unhook once someone else is shocked.
Timing and dodging doesn't really work. If he misses you once, he is up fast enough to grab you, and also he just has a 1s charge time while unhooking takes 1.2 seconds, so he can easily just interrupt you again. So the only counter to this crap is swarm unhooking? Which gives the killer possibly like multiple survivors on madness 3 for free?
I think this needs some tweaking
Brilliant... I'm talking about camping doc
What do you usually do about a camping bubba?
Then do gen and forget about the hooked survivor i dont see the issue
What makes you think he can recover fast enough after a dodged shock to grab you? I've never seen that before unless somebody did something wrong.
Aah the classic Doctor camp.
Before doc was able to grab during treatment mode. Only time he get lucky is during STBFL at 8 stack.
Same as with any camping killer
Do gens and get out
I know it's boring, but if you feed campers kills it's only going to make them do it more
With that killer and most other killers a person has to expect a killer to go out of their way to camp at some point if generators are being completed fast. Depending on the time of the day and the quality of general matches. I'd make the decision to bring BORROWED time.
If the killer camps. Just REPORT them for inactivity, or not participating in match. Most reports do nothing. But w/e,
You shouldn’t encourage players to lodge false reports for camping.
Don't unhook with a camping killer. simple.
Nah, camping is not a legit reason to get banned. Don't even waste your time reporting campers, it'll never work.
sacrifice your teammate and finish the game in 3 minutes by doing gens, i don't know why killers camp personally, it feels boring and you dont get much
the strategy only works vs really altruistic survivors
There is no counterplay. Same with Leatherface standing in front of a Hook.
You just have to push out Gens, this is the only thing you can do. Dont gift a camping Killer any more Kills. Sucks for that person on the Hook, but this is the only thing that can be done. Accept that the Killer will get a 1K at least (probably 2K, due to NOED).
And if you are the person on the Hook, dont [BAD WORD] so that your teammates can do Gens.
And regarding Survivors who crouch near the Hook: Do Gens. The Killer will not go away. If he is camping for 1 1/2 minutes he will not go away for the last 30 seconds...
Do generators and totems while the Doctor is camping?
I'm sorry but this is literally the best way to handle this and it'll only stop being a good strategy once Survivor randoms stop being hyper altruistic.
Seriously I had managed to get a Survivor on his second hook just as the last generator popped. Instead of being smart and, you know, prepping doors to open and escape, they just hook rushed me and I turned what SHOULD have been a 2k into a 4k.
Leave your teammate to their fate, do objectives, and escape. That is the counter play.
The thing is, against any other killer the BT exchange works. It only didn't work against Bubba as he can simply down you before or get both, also land a double hit to counter BT. But new Doc is able to just cancel your attempt to unhook.
As everybody says, the counterplay is doing gens and escaping. Killer gets only one kills and loses on points.
Hypothetically though you could maybe get a rescue if one person flashlight blinds Doc from an angle and the other goes for a rescue while he is blinded. His timing on the attacks might be thrown off enough by the blind to give a small opening to finish the grab.
And old Doc could just spam tap M1 in treatment mode to grab anyone who even tried to fake a save. His camping game is actually weaker now.
try one of these:
1) dont unhook mid chase
2) do gens if he wont leave the hook (like you should with any camping killer)
After the fix moris/keys and add the new slowdown mechanic, camping should be the next thing they fix.
I recently had to try and explain to a new player why camping exists. They haven't put 3000 plus hours into the game to get all the perks. So I can't say "If you had DS, Deliverance, BT etc you'd be ok". This is also ignoring the facecamping Billy and Instadown Huntress they also had. An experienced swf can sometimes deal with it depending on the situation but new players have no chance.
I don't know how they'd do it without swf being able to exploit it but it is definitely something they need to look at in the near future.
No, camping should be allowed to exist. It's a strategy in many games for a reason. If your teammates are too altruistic for their own good, that's on them. They already made it harder for killers to camp over the past few years.
I agree with this. I despise camping in any form, but I do accept that it's a valid strategy for some situations. But, there are too many survivors that just try dive bomb a hook. Even when I run kindred and it's obvious the killer is camping, you'll see all 3 crouched nearby not touching a single gen. Whenever I see a camping killer, you can be sure I'm just going to do my gens and leave.
No no, forget about bt, forget about unhooking
Do gens and leave. Leaving the camped on on the hook
If every camper only got 1 or 2 kills all the time they would stop using it as their go to strategy
Harder by perks that's it. They haven't really done anything to make camping harder except for survivors becoming better coordinated or perks which new players won't have.
It's nothing to do with people being too altruistic. It's about telling someone who waited 5 minutes for a game that them getting face camped with 5 gens remaining isn't cheating.
It's a bit like old ruin imo. It punishes new/solo players but against a swf doesn't do much. It would be healthier for the game if they did something to help new players counter it.
There's no point in trying to nerf or counter camping, it's going to happen. If killer wants to be an [BAD WORD] and camp the first survivor they down when the first gen isn't even halfway done, they can do it. They're is no way you can try to "fix" camping without it being exploited by more experience survivors.
People thought the old ruin was a massive nerf and the perk was destroyed. Yet they somehow created an extremely good perk that accomplished what they wanted.
It's better at higher ranks than the old one and isn't overbearing for new players. The inconsistent skill checks now are gone which makes the perk more reliable.
If they can do that to ruin then they can definitely think of something to help new players with campers.
New Ruin is only useful with killers with good mobility, otherwise it's a nerf. Camping is here to stay no matter what, the sooner they realize it the better.
It's very good on those killers though. Legion and Doctor do extremely well with it. The pressure Nurse and Spirit can apply makes it extremely good on them. Oni and Wraith also get extremely good value off it too.
They don't need to remove camping since it can be an extremely good strategy. However they need to think of a way to stop it early game when it's less strategy and more about being toxic.