It's 4v1. It should definitely favor the 4 man team at high level play. That's how asymmetrical games work. This is not a fighting game where both parties should have an equal chance at victory. A team of uncoordinated solo players needs to have a chance (And spoiler, most of the time one really bad player can break a team. I almost always get 3 or 4ks as killer at rank 1, I believe the game is actually killer sided but I won't contest the main point, for sake of avoiding a larger argument.)
A 4 man team of people who all know the game and optimize to do everything they can to escape should escape every time unless they make mistakes. Even if the killer plays perfectly. Don't like it? Don't play killer! The point of asymmetrical games as the one-man side is not to always overwhelm the other team and feel a power fantasy, it's to challenge yourself by taking on four people that you have to multitask down.You are going to lose, and that's the point. You are the boss they need to overcome.
I do believe that there need to be more killers like deadslinger, huntress, and hag (And nurse and spirit, but maybe not that strong) and a little less overpowered of pyramid head and less characters Bubba, Trapper and Legion. M1 killers have a harder time against people with map knowledge because there's only so much mindgaming you can do. You're not meant to win every game. You can be good at the game without winning every time.
I would say for the most part its killer sided between beginner and intermediate players. Top tier players solo or not can mess up even a good killer. When voice comms and meta builds are added into the equation it isn't even a question. Not enough killers have the pressure to be able to deal with that.
The 2 main culprits are map design and perk combinations imo. Maps are too big for most killers or feature way too many connected loops.
Well, to be fair there were a lot of buffs for killers and nerfs for survivors recently, though little of these changes actually addressed a serious problem.
I only wish devs did something with swfs&spread playstyle (3 survivors sit on 3 gens&the other one gets chased) where you mathematically cannot win if survivors do everything right and are also using default copypaste second chance builds.
@Kilmeran @SenzuDuck I decided to go back and look, the stats from around November apparently excluded games with DC's whereas the stats from earlier in that year counted them, so turns out you're both right.
Edit for clarification.
Wait are there stats from this year? Would you mind linking me?
I can't believe I missed stats!
No the latest ones were from November, I meant earlier in 2019, sorry for the confusion
Against swf you're best playing killer with a elevated skill ceiling and showing zero mercy for the first down. If you reach rank one and maintain it with the above tactic employed then you have joined the many killers I have faced that have convinced me that this game favors killers and the only true way to survive is gen rush as a group with perks that help you shave off killer pressure.
Given how much survivors fold under the slightest pressure in solo queue I would say killer is not that hard half my matches as killer and survivor on average have one or two survivors who even go to windows and pallets.
If you are an amazing player, on a strong killer, using the best perks and add-ons, then yes, the game can be killer sided. However, if you play a regular killer with good addons and items and you are a decent player then the survivors almost completely dictate how that game will go.
There is a large difference between a game favoring one side and the player just being bad.
In red ranks, all killers, ALL have an average of 60%+ kills, majority of them above 70%. It means that they have an average above 2k. Game is killer sided, period.
One mistake as killer can cost the whole match. A mistake as survivor can be fixed with perks or teammates. Or ya know, just having a combined total of 12 lives.
Played both sides and I can safely say that killers have way more **** to deal with. Playing as a survivor, even at mid ranks is a breeze, its 4 v 1. As a killer at midranks, its torture being juked, pallet stunned, looped, ds'd, bodyblocked, teabagged, flashlighted by 4 opponents. I love the challenge and I Still try to improve, but this game is survivor sided, no doubts about it.
I think the worst part about it is those players normally get off scot free unless it has been recorded, but even then, if you aren't a streamer, there's a chance nothing will happen anyways. I hope your future matches are better, but with this community, unfortunately nothing is guaranteed.
With crossplay having been added, would you like to play together?
Even solo queue players can beat a a good killer.
You can have 3 gens pop in 60s, if survivors play it right, regardless of what you do. One minute to have the game 60% over. Pair that with hiding/immersed/stealthy survivors and the game is basically over. For this reason Urban evasion, Spine Chill, Quick and Quiet, and Sprint Burst is my least favorite perk combo. Especially when paired with toolboxes and blendettes. Is playing the game that way even fun? Hiding when you hear the terror radius and playing M1 simulator when you don't?
And still they get 3k most of the time in red ranks.
You killer mains are sad, you have stats in front of your eyes, it's official and you are still saying bullshit. How is it possible to ignore the stats...
Stats are made with swf & soloQ. SWF lower the kill rate so if we would exclude them from the stats, killer rate would be around 85%.
Really, i don't understand how bad faith you need to be to continue arguing agaisnt stats. Have you done mathematics at school or what ?!
Maybe because the stats don't match up with their experience?
They should change it from killers/survivors to Taunters and Taunted. That's what it feels like and I play mid ranks, 50/50
I've beaten decent Spirit's with the best loadouts in solo queue. Even the slightest mistake as killer can cost the match.
Then the problem is their lack of skill, not the game balance.
In a given game, if i'm rank platinum and 20% of the playerbase is diamond, it doesn't mean that the game is unbalanced, it means i don't have the diamond level.
Killers saying the game is survivor sided are just bad killers and need to train to improve, i don't care about their experience, only stats matter.
And as a red survivor, it's what i see most of the game, soloQ or SWF, it's 2k+, often 3k.
When there are only 1k or 2k, the killer is really bad at looping and controlling the map when there are 2 gens to go.
I'm new what is M1 killers?
Oh and guys, forgot to mention it.
We consider a killer has won the game when he has 3k. With the stats we have, the kill rate in red rank is 75%. It means that killer in red rank win almost 100% of the games.
But yes, it's survivor sided lol...
Yeah, I try to get as much documented when I can but the disappointment certainly gets in the way lol. And I'm a baby so I'm scared to share my gamer tag, but I may feel more confident in sharing that info in the future, since I'm getting a headache from all this bs haha. And thank you, I hope your games go great as well :)!
Like I said once, there is a huge difference between a game favoring one side and the players' skill level.
For instance, a good Clown is going to lose against a competent SWF in every scenario.
Killers that don't have a secondary attack.
A killer like Trapper is M1.
A killer like Huntress is M2.
There are some exceptions such as Pyramid Head, who is still M1.
Its killer sided when i play nurse, i can tell you that;)
Thanks for that. I knew I remembered him saying it, I just mixed up which stat block. But that makes sense, now that I think about it. I wasn't playing nor following DbD in November 2019. I left September 2019 and didn't come back until sometime in 2020.
I'm about to break from DbD and the forums again. I have a manuscript due to the publisher in November and am a bit behind, so need to grind that deadline. But thanks for clarifying before I head off. I very much appreciate the time you put into it.
See y'all when I come back after the New Year.
is very rare to see 4 very good individuals... there is always a weakling in solos like 95% of the tiem there is one and you can take advantage of it.
Do you have a recent source for your last point (recent meaning this year)