I don't really count, or experience, tunneling as a bad thing when playing Dead by Daylight too often, so I dont have anything to say on that matter.
However, I do play SWF and we normally try to play as fairly as possible, only acting out or being toxic, in response to a toxic killer. About 1 out of every 8 games am I or another person I play with face camped. It happens too much with little repercussions. It doesn't ruin the game for me but its annoying how often we get camping killers. Our rank range has me at around a 15, my friends are 8s, and sometimes we play with anywhere from a 16 to a 7. Its hard out here as a novice.
First, I'm sorry for the lack of fluency in the language.
I never "camp", but every 15 matches a killer "camp" me, for me this is the biggest game mechanic problem ever in my opinion, people want to win so much that they don't see how it affects everyone negatively, I I don't think "tunnelin" is a problem, it is just a way of strategy, if a survivor has a key you certainly should not leave it last, then for me the problems are "camping" ... AND LOOPING, DO NOT DO THIS .
Alot with basement leatherface back then. Now barely maybe because I use ds??
Proxy camp goes hand in hand with tunneling. The killer won’t stray too far from their prey.
It’s probably most games it happens it feels like, whoever gets caught first gets tunneled. It tends to vary by killer though.
For example if it’s a Myers or Plague you might be ok. If it’s a Spirit, Freddy, or stealth killer then it’s almost 100% confirmed that player is getting tunneled hard.
Camping is pretty rare and since Bubba rework even rarer.
tunneling on the other hand -as in killer abandons a chase just to get to the freshly unhooked- happens often, and is only softened when there is an obsession and the killer fears DS, but also not always. It happens every second game at least, and I am not talking about EGC or 1 gen left. And it’s not always me (only when I play certain survs i notice some killers are really focusing me)
killers really are not better than survivors btw, often they need to bob their heads, walk circles or hit you on hook after tunneling - similar to teabags or clickyclicky survs. There is not one side that is worse than the other, both sides have those kind of players. Killers are not the saints here.
I see it every now and then. I could play about 20 survivor matches and I might see a killer face camp about 2 maybe three of them at most. Mind you this is about rank 10 to 12. I didnt really see it anymore at rank 20 down to that.
When there's an obsession:
- Camped: 2/10 games*
- Tunnelled: 3/10 games
When there's no obsession:
- Camped: 4/10 games*
- Tunnelled: 8/10 games
* not counting endgame camping.
These "statistics" are not 100% accurate as I don't record what happens every match.
A few times per week. I'd say on a bad week I get camped and/or tunneled about once per day and on a good week I get camped and/or tunneled maybe 2-3 times the whole week.
I kept statistics for 222 games as solo survivor.
Out of that games, 64 games included camping, and 34 tunneling, 22 of the tunneling games are part of the 64 camping games, because the killer did both. But this is actually old data, it was after the release of the deathslinger. I didnt keep new stats, so it might have changed. At least it feels like camping is happening less since the undying/ruin meta.
I feel bad for Survivors that fall victim to tunneling and camping - depending how they define these things and the circumstances around it. It seems there´s a huge number of players that consider about every single Killer action to be camping/tunneling.
Back to topic: I share your experience to a degree. It does happen, but in my experience far less than the forums make it look to be. Idk, about 1/10 games? Not sure, it really is rather rare for me.
Honestly..... like 1-5 matches are either camped or tunneled... hardcore like
Other matches are either my own mistakes or teammates leaving me to be bled dry
The rest are not as bad in the camping/tunneling way for me but my teammates getting that
I too get it sometimes, at least 2 or 3 games a night tbh.
And by tunneling I mean really hard tunneling, like a couple of minutes.
For example a very nice one last week vs legion.
They found me and chased me for 3.5 minutes straight before he finally gave up.
Unfortunately I didn't get really good teammates otherwise it would have been over for them.
Getting camped only on rare occasions, but tbh i don't care that much as long as my team do the gens then.
Camping usually happens after very long chases and they realise most of the gens are done by than.
Camping and tunnel is not the real problem for a survivivor. The problems in solo Q is yours team mates. Survivivor are very bad. Yesterday i play 4 game with a friend. 1 game survivivor is hooked and dc.
2 game meg head only searching for chest. She dont touch a gen. When 3 gen left she et hooked and suicide.
3 game a meg head follow the killer and get frey hit. She suicide in second hook
4 game an ash that lasted 5 seconds in pursuit. and the killer always found him in meaningless places without being making objectives.
In the 1 and 3 only 1 gen left and only play 3 survivivor. Game 2 and 4 i escape mi friend not.
Killer and tunel or camping are not the problem. 90% of games we lose because a teammate is dc suicide or doing nothing.
Without counting EGC where it's definitely justifiable, it still happens frequently enough
2/3 games out of 10? And I'm rank 1 both roles. Some sessions I won't get tunneled, other sessions I get tunneled off the hook 5 games in a row which forces me to run DS. (A perk I don't like to use. In fact, a lot of my games, there is often no obsession) I don't count the games where it's EGC and I'm first hooked, I understand why a killer would do that there.
That said, almost every spirit, stealth killer, and hag I come across incessantly hard camps and tunnels.
Often enough that Kindred and DS never leave my build. The last time I played without DS there was no Obsession and the killer didn’t hesitate to tunnel one guy out of the match as fast as possible.
I play red rank and see it quite a lot.
I rarely get camped. But I get tunneled very consistently. High rank killers don't tunnel very much but the lower ranks definitely do. I'm red rank constantly playing against green and gold rank killers sooooo.
Using the game's 5 rarities, i wouldn't put camping & tunneling on Common.
But Uncommon sounds about right, it's not Rare either.
Proxy camp? Just about every other game basically someone get's proxy camped to some extent unless it's blight, oni, or billy that travels across the map after a hook. Killer stays within 15-20m of the hook at all times and if someone get's an unhook they b line straight for injured survivor. Only option here is Borrowed Time or bodyblocking to a lesser extent. Literal face camp? probably 1/10-15 games which is usually a result of where the killer couldn't find someone for the first 2 mins then when they finally do they chased that survivor until they got them down and if that took longer than 3 gens or more they just facecamp them. I don't count it as facecamp if all gens are complete because the killer has no options.
Game is super fun nowadays where rank 12 killers are inlated into red ranks and i have to deal with this nonsense all the time. I just play killer now because the role is so much less annoying to play than solo/duo survivor.
I think most people just are way too quick to call someone a camper/tunneler. I started doing stats on my games as killer and survivor to see if perception and reality correlate. Some of the current stats say (note that these contain failed kobe, intentional selfkill):
The only thing I'm a bit concerned about is that I got 8 hooks on average per game, which seems a bit low. But I also have an average of 3k per game, which is also a bit too high, regarding the 2k average formulated by BHVR. Regarding that, I think I should have noted as well at how many gens left the kills happen. One thing I noticed is that some bad killer games end up with 3-4k because survivors don't like to leave someone behind, and sometimes failing hard on getting the late game unhooks. But I can't say if this is the main reason for these two stats. NOED probably also has some effect on that
But I think the above bullet points at least prove so far that tunneling really isn't such a bad thing. Camping can't really be evaluated by the hooking order I took. Just a subjective note on that: with Ruin Undying I noticed that killers camp WAAAY less than normally (also, there is a difference between camping, face camping and proxy camping, while facecamping actually is a relic, you cannot facecamp anymore, but people still like to say it)
I play red ranks in EU
I don't pay close enough attention to be honest. When it happens I just accept that it is part of the game. I get what I can out of the match, and move on. I know I'm camped and tunneled in the minority of matches. It sticks out in my mind that I'm tunneled and camped by Wraiths more often than any other Killer of late. I don't know where that trend came from or why. But overall, I simply don't see it happening enough to consider it anything other than just the fortunes of war.
I'm wondering how many of the "proxy camp" accusations take into account if the unhook happened within 10 seconds of the hook. Just curious
Once every 5-10 games for me. It's not a big problem, at least for Red Ranks.
Not much at the endgame though if they don't have a kill and need one the they will but it's fine. So overall it's rare but it's super obnoxious when it does happen which creates complaints. And I see tunnels more then camps.
In the red ranks (killers) very often, but I include also instances where others get instantly tunneled. By that I mean tunneled through possible bt and even immediately picking up possible ds. In figures, I would say at least half of my games easily.
I disregard obvious situations like gens completed or 2 survivors remaining.
Hard camping is pretty rare.
Tunneling is almost every game though, obsession or not. I usually don't get tunneled but I very frequently will watch the same teammate get thrown back on the hook 3 times consecutively as I'm doing gens.
I tend to witness camping more than be camped myself. I know as a killer i have camped during EGC which I have only done against survivors who have been walking all over me. The only way to try and get a decent score at that point. I'll admit I'm not proud of that.
As for tunneling it has only really happened because other Survivors go for obviously unsafe unhook. Can't really blame a killer for taking me down in that situation.
Honestly, I get tunneled quite regularly. Mostly I belive because of maining Felix at the moment. But I honestly understand the point, I see pretty much every gen at all times, so I dont fully complain. I 100% see the appeal.