It kinda is. I replied similarly to Mandy.
When a Killer gets a 2 minute 4K it means the Survivors are bad and the Killer is insanely good, period. When Survivors play well, they can not get all downed and Sacrificed in that timeframe.
There is no counter to this kind of genrush though regardless of the Killers skill, given the Survivors are not insanely bad. When the Killer plays well, it does not make any difference.
Thats what i´m talking about, when i say that Undying Ruin isn´t even that good. Survivors that just push gens will not even notice its there.
First things first: This scenario never happens in solo rounds, absolutly never. It almost never happens against SWF either. I had 1 game similar to that so far. And i play this game for many hours now.
Second: The game can not be ballanced around that, because you and almost everyone else would hate it. Ballance around the top 0,0001% or OP killer/op items/op addons would make you uninstall the game in less then a day, because you wont even survivor a single match anymore (or get a single kill) unless you bring in the broken stuff... Would be a very bad way to ballance a game.
And bringing back the old nurse is a very bad suggestion aswell. You do realise that good Nurse players still role 200+ 4Ks in a row... right? She is potentially still op as hell.
And last but not least: Killers are not hindered at all, they destroy survivors all the time. Killers win more often then survivors, on any rank by the way. Even on the very very top, where it is supposed to be easy for survivor, killer still hold the ground and get most of the time a decent outcome.
Yes, but this game is a complete outliner. This will not be happening on a regular basis, never. And BHVR should also not have to deal with such extreme situations, there are far more important things to do when it comes to balancing IMO.
They can look into the BNP, even tho I would not say it is that strong, given the fact it is an Iridescent Add On (it just is the strongest Add On because Toolboxes got nerfed into the ground), but thats about it.
I dont really care for that type of games, I have over 5k hours and have not seen one game like this. And if that is happening, yeah, whatever. OP also has over 4000 hours and this is the first time happening, so I guess it is rare enough to not really have too much weight.
The only thing sweatier than these survivors is a killer running Freddy with ruin, undying, and franklins
What happened in the time skip?
Yes, no doubt this is not a regular game and clearly an outlier. I have a little under 2k hrs and have seen matches like this less than ten times.
I still think this kind of match should be addressed in some way. As long as they can hit the skill checks and have a few BP to spare, almost any team that isn´t new to the game can replicate at least similar results with maybe a minute or two added on to that.
I´m always in favor of addressing the broken outliers since it will contribute to a more balanced game overall, hence why I want Spirit and Freddy nerfed, Wraith and Trapper buffed, Keys and Object nerfed and maps to be more balanced to give a few examples.
Well now we have a direct comparision on what is stronger.
Doesn't really matter whether you think you are blaming or shaming them or not. There are people who will look at that and simply add them to the list of people they will simply leave the Lobby when they see these names. :) That is why the DEV refuse to tell us when we are facing a SWF because they know a lot of people would simply not take the match assuming something "like this."
It's just to guarantee an obsession to force the killer to not tunnel or risk getting hit by DS.
That is a tournment team, way far away from the usual teams you will ever verse. Yes this team shows how broken dbd can be but saying that every single team you will verse will be even near being that one is like saying that every killer i vs is either battleguy or fingerguns.
The true power of DS is killer thinking everyone has it.
This game is not even balanced around situations that are way less "extreme". Killers are not balanced around 4 people doing gens and are competent at looping at the same time. Do you think adding 30 seconds or 1 minute (no toolboxes etc.) extra would change the game entirely?
Balancing this game means that both sides have a chance to win at any point. You are saying that extremely good killers shouldnt have a chance against extremely good survivors by the games design. Why not? If the killer is not that good he should lose. If he is better he should win. Where is the problem?
The reality is, bad survivors can still beat a better killer by the games design. Even in solo q you can run chest perks and start joking around and still win.
Omega nurses were also a "rare" occasion and people pretended to see them everywhere. And those ultra nurses lost many times to SWF´s. The result was a hard nerf that never happend to SWF in the same way.
Games like this are daily buisness for killer players, and not the 0,1% rare occasion.
It's interesting how much influence certain perks can have on your playstyle
I beg to differ. It happens FREQUENTLY to me. I fight these kind of matches often. The difference is I don't complain about them and just kind of say MEH to myself and write down the names. I won't take matches from that list anymore. I have better uses for my time. It could be that I'm a Red Rank Killer. But I see a SWF not unlike the one discussed here at least once or twice a LONG day of playing. I see SWF that are a step or two below this (but still very tough) every day and at least every 3rd or 4th match.
Met them before ;)
It really is. The behavior drastically changes, once one side knows the perks of the other one.
that would have been a genrush squad.
it is quite obvious that their only objective throughout the entire trial was to speedrun generators.
let me guess: you didnt spot a single cleansed totem, opened chest or saw anyone heal up all game?
lets hope the Devs are gonna address this problem at some point...
"death squads don't exist"
the gens were done before the edit so that's irrelevant, the game was over and then he skipped to after a couple had already escaped
It sucks that it happened, honestly there's no stopping such an optimized 4 man SWF. If BHVR ever decided to balance around the issue, or at least look at some of the minor issues here like BNPs, then this game would be a lot healthier.
As it stands, maybe bring Corrupt Intervention? Guaranteed 3 gens blocked for 2 minutes, and if you can create that early game pressure in that time you won't need to worry about this as much. I often run Corrupt+PGTW instead of Ruin+Undying, bc its not as risky as Hexes and ensures gen rush doesn't immediately happen.
See, this killer beat them with a much worse killer and a much less sweaty build. Kind of ruins the op argument. Not that he's wrong you will almost never beat this swf, my point is its just as gross to run Freddy with as much op ######### as possible, stomping 19 out of 20 groups mercilessly because of your OPness. Glad the op gets to see how it feels
I am not accusing you that you lie or you exaggerate, but its very odd to say the least. In what region do you play?
I am of course also rank 1 as killer and i have many hours playing this role, and i pretty much never run into something like that, not even pre toolbox nerf. Other killer mains i know and i talk with might complain from time to time about hard games, but nobody has any of those hardcore games where they were more or less helpless.
You might be an extremly unlucky person or the region you play is full of tryhard tournament teams.
Do you stream? I would gladly watch you just to see those extreme games you have to deal with.
I have no idea. I'm in the Northeast Region of the US. I suppose it could also be a factor of what time of the day I play?
And no, I'm not a Streamer (yet). Sometimes I go to Youtube and put up interesting videos of Bully Squads who had the misfortune of pulling me, or people hacking. I don't generally put up videos of these kind of teams because they aren't doing anything wrong. It is just an unfortunate situation that the game is not balanced for them.
Hard to tell then. I play on the EU server, maybe its much more relaxed here, i really dont know.
Time and the day might be a factor. I noticed for myself that weekends are much worse then during the week. On both sides, people tend to bring better items and are generally more toxic. The reason for that.. i dont know either, but it is true.
Look at... Would you like to see what happened? Here's the twitch stream:
here... but nothing more happened.. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/860864900?t=3h25m8s
I played against a Nurse once that wrecked everyone and the game was over in no more than 4 minutes lol. It was truly embarrassing. Not a proud moment at all but kudos to that Nurse haha.
B-b-but I can now use this video to mock survivors with alternating caps sentences and use it as my one and only example of the game being broken and killers being oppressed and underpowered :( because this video exists ruin+undying is fine :'(