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Is Wraith new Bubba?

justbecausejustbecause Member Posts: 1,521
edited July 2021 in General Discussions

Personally haven't encountered single Wraith who doesn't act like it's personality trait to be dickhead



  • MarioT6MarioT6 Member Posts: 25

    The only things that really got nerfed were his addons and the reduced snares and palettes. Aside from that and a minor speed decrease when holding a snare, his base kit was left untouched.

  • Exxodus21Exxodus21 Member Posts: 984

    New wraith is what people claim spirit is.

  • HeartboundHeartbound Member Posts: 3,256

    You can do some big brain stuff with Wraith don't get me wrong, but at base Wraith is a very brainless killer. Zoom around the map until you find the survivor, uncloak and hit survivor then do it again until you win. Make sure to use your invisibility to never leave the hook and it's very easy to see why it's appealing. Out of the five (or seven on consoles) free killers he is the easiest to use.

    I don't find it satisfying to win as Wraith though. I'd much rather down someone as Trapper and have the person coming in for the flashlight save step in a trap. This game has so many kino moments you miss when the survivors can't see or interact with you outside of the chase.

  • OniWantsYourMacaroniOniWantsYourMacaroni Member Posts: 5,897

    I know,some people were just overdramatic with that nerf and claimed that he's way worse now

  • Seth__Seth__ Member Posts: 1,458

    I do not consider Bubba easy, not pre-buff... not post buff. To me he SEEMS easy just because of how the current matchmaking is in terms of matching you against a similar skill. I even get a lot of games in which I don't even try, I 4k at 5 gens, I down people 5 seconds in chase, really easy in this case.

    But I have seen the MMR test, I also had games in the rank based matchmaking with people who actually knew how to play against me, efficiently. It was only proven that he is not easy, even if I have him mastered after 3k hours. He is not the hardest obviously, but saying "braindead" "easy" or "0 skill" to me it feels just wrong. I don't blame anyone though because this is the current matchmaking but I'd like to see if you change when MMR comes.

  • lagostalagosta Member Posts: 1,682

    Wraith is free, easy to learn, and has very good addons.

    The whole braindead invitation package :D

  • stikyardstikyard Member Posts: 525

    Having a few "easy" Killers is probably a good strategy for new players.

    Wraith cannot do the one thing Bubba can do. Facecamp and down a healthy survivor and the injured survivor in one fell swoop.

  • danielmaster87danielmaster87 Member Posts: 6,559

    I'm assuming these Wraiths are playing completely normal, and you're just projecting this a-hole caricature on them because they down you. I have a friend who acts just like that. I could be wrong though.

  • TsulanTsulan Member Posts: 12,686

    Are we comparing Wraith to random killers now? I swear I've seen threads comparing him to Spirit and Freddy.

  • MadLordJackMadLordJack Member Posts: 8,815

    Pretty much, Wraith is in that same area of strength-to-effort ratio so it makes sense that people wanting to dominate others to feel good about themselves would be playing him.

  • GeneralVGeneralV Member Posts: 7,754

    People complained that Wraith was weak and add-on dependant, so the devs magically listened and buffed him. Now they complain that Wraith is OP, or too easy and needs a nerf?

    Come on, people gotta stop somewhere. Why is it the one time the devs listen to us, which is rare by itself, they receive even more complaints?

  • TsulanTsulan Member Posts: 12,686

    Because the ones that asked for a Wraith buff, were killer players.

    While the ones that ask for a nerf are survivor players.

    Doesn´t matter what they do, one side will always be mad.

  • ShinobuSKShinobuSK Member Posts: 4,375

    Another one of those...

    Is wraith new spirit?

    Is wraith new freddy?

    Are we making a series or whats going on

  • GeneralVGeneralV Member Posts: 7,754

    The never-ending dispute again, huh? Fair enough.

    It is truly sad to think that it takes the absolute worst changes possible to unite the community.

  • Starr43Starr43 Member Posts: 866

    Can’t we all just get along<3

  • TsulanTsulan Member Posts: 12,686

    The dispute will never go away. Some people will just always stick to 1 role and never even try to play or understand the other role.

  • EmealEmeal Member Posts: 1,732

    I mained Wraith, before they "buffed" him the first time, the second time and the third time.

    Survivors are bending over and taking it atm, but mostly because they are not being aggressive vs the Wraith. You can do better.

    May I remind you that a simple Flashbang from Leon takes him out of Cloak?

    Also Lithe and Windows of Opportunity will keep you safe. Don't forget Spine Chill too. Good luck.

  • EntitySpawnEntitySpawn Member Posts: 3,621

    Eh probably just the fact bad survivors hit ranks they dont belong, cant handle it and just complain about most of the killer roster. Wraith is fine

  • AdelooAdeloo Member Posts: 1,398

    Well yeah he is, like i said in an other discussion he has the mobility of Billy and the lethality of Bubba.

    His boost from uncloacking is a bit too strong as it cover an entire loop length most of the time, forcing survivors to predrop pallet like they would do against a Bubba. Add to that the fact he can cloack super fast, catch up to you and bodyblock vaults. Honestly he has little counterplay now, and many people ######### about Dead Hard (i don't use it at all) but i can see it being a good counter to his surprise attack. He got his cloack invisibility buffed which makes him harder to see coming aswell.

    + what i describe is the non-addon Wraith, so i let you imagine the one with the best addons. The only thing that stops him from being an A+ Tier killer is the fact he has to uncloack before attacking. But honestly it's not even a downside. Nurse that is S Tier has a fatigue that hinder her more -in term of catching up after miscalculating- than uncloaking.

  • DelsKibaraDelsKibara Member Posts: 3,127

    I think the problem with Wraith is that it's the people who play it, not really the killer itself.

    Sure he is easy, but is that a problem? Not every Killer needs the level of technical skill Huntress or Deathslinger has.

    The people who call killers brainless for choosing these killers honestly needs to take a chill pill.

  • Warcrafter4Warcrafter4 Member Posts: 2,917
    edited July 2021

    Wraith having the lethality of freaking BUBBA.

    Bubba a killer who can literally chainsaw down the entire survivor team before wraith's Basic attack cooldown is over!

    This is getting silly now.

    What next are you going to say LEGION has the lethality of Bubba as well? As thats about as much of an extreme difference in lethality as Wraith has with Bubba.

    Edit: Even the billy speed comparison is silly as billy's chainsaw sprint is 230% or a 115% increase meanwhile wraiths is only at 150% or a 35% movement speed increase. The speeds aren't even comparable.

  • AdelooAdeloo Member Posts: 1,398

    You know i just gave my opinion, that doesn't mean you cannot disagree but at least you could respect it and the person behind it and not answering in such a condescendant and agressive way.

    Yes Bubba can down multiple survivors but by lethality i meant at loops, where the use of the ability of both forces the survivors to predrop pallets in order to avoid getting hit. Because they both share that. You talked about Legion as a way to mock my argument but Legion doesn't have anything to do with other killer and especially not Wraith because Legion isn't a chase killer but a control one, like Plague.

    As for the Billy Speed, yes Billy is faster you are right about that, but no other mobility killer could fit the comparaison and to voice an opinion when the topic is "is Wraith the new Bubba" it ask for comparaison, so i only could choose Billy.

  • Warcrafter4Warcrafter4 Member Posts: 2,917

    I brought up legion as BOTH Legion and Wraith are hit and run type of killers who can keep survivors injured very easily.

    Wraith is more lethal then legion but Bubba is #1 and always has been, with only empowered Oni/Corrupt Purge plague being comparable in downing power at loops.

    At loops Bubba can both instant down a survivor AND break the pallet at the same time while having an AoE attack.

    Bubba's looping lethality is extremely high with their only real comparison between Wraith and Bubba's looping being that they are both weak to windows while using their power.

    As for the billy part it really should have been left out as its very misleading to how fast wraith actually is.

    Trust me I have seen these false comparisons like this billy one spread like wild fire here which is why I tried to disprove it so quickly.

    Sorry if I come across as hostile. I didn't mean to and I am sorry.

  • BluerryBluerry Member Posts: 226

    bruh ı was checking forums and you are everywhere if there is wraith word in a page you are wraith main ı suppose

  • ThiccBudhhaThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,504

    Wait, how do you down a survivor and break a pallet? Usually when I hit the pallet, it cancels the chainsaw.

  • Warcrafter4Warcrafter4 Member Posts: 2,917

    Depends on how you hit them but its rather buggy on how it does it.

    Its supposed to saw the survivor then the pallet if the survivor is vaulting but doesn't always do it.

    I'm not a Wraith main. Wraith's honestly a killer I rarely play but I really don't like people misleading others to try to make their arguments.

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