Hook Blocking

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  • Jack11803Jack11803 Member Posts: 3,843

    @FSB75 said:
    My solution is simple:

    When survivors attempt to body block me from hooking, I go instantly into face camp mode.

    Think of it like binary:

    By default, my face camping is set to 0. Body blocking switches it to 1.

    While both face camping AND body blocking are legitimate to use in game, it is up to the survivors to "cross that line".

    Let's be clear here...I'm not talking only about successful body blocking, wherein the survivor gets away. I mean ANY attempt to prevent my progress to the hook. As such, the player I'm attempting to hook may not have done anything to bring the upcoming face camp on themselves...but they will endure the burden of being face camped. I will forego all other players and all efforts to prevent them from leaving until the player on the hook is dead. If I should so happen to hook another survivor from the same trial, it's the same thing.

    Although I do use map control killers, (doc/billy) I think that face camping is a super bad choice as it throws the game, sometimes at exit gates it helps, but doing it for such a small thing is even worse. If you do face camp, be proud, own up to it, that binary example seems like a cop out

  • FSB75FSB75 Member Posts: 199
    edited June 2018

    @Jack11803 said:

    Although I do use map control killers, (doc/billy) I think that face camping is a super bad choice as it throws the game, sometimes at exit gates it helps, but doing it for such a small thing is even worse. If you do face camp, be proud, own up to it, that binary example seems like a cop out

    It's not about winning....it's about sending a message.

    The binary example is not an excuse. Think of it as MAD....you know, the old, you don't do this, I won't do that.

  • Jack11803Jack11803 Member Posts: 3,843

    @FSB75 said:

    @Jack11803 said:

    Although I do use map control killers, (doc/billy) I think that face camping is a super bad choice as it throws the game, sometimes at exit gates it helps, but doing it for such a small thing is even worse. If you do face camp, be proud, own up to it, that binary example seems like a cop out

    It's not about winning....it's about sending a message.

    The binary example is not an excuse. Think of it as MAD....you know, the old, you don't do this, I won't do that.

    99% If Killers will not face camp just because of body blocking, or at all. The only messaging your sending, even if not your intention, is that you get disturbed easy

  • FSB75FSB75 Member Posts: 199

    @Jack11803 said:

    @FSB75 said:

    @Jack11803 said:

    Although I do use map control killers, (doc/billy) I think that face camping is a super bad choice as it throws the game, sometimes at exit gates it helps, but doing it for such a small thing is even worse. If you do face camp, be proud, own up to it, that binary example seems like a cop out

    It's not about winning....it's about sending a message.

    The binary example is not an excuse. Think of it as MAD....you know, the old, you don't do this, I won't do that.

    99% If Killers will not face camp just because of body blocking, or at all. The only messaging your sending, even if not your intention, is that you get disturbed easy

    I'm fine with that....

  • Jack11803Jack11803 Member Posts: 3,843

    @FSB75

    Then why do you do it? Revenge? Anger? Your own personal sense of justice? I want to know, this fascinates me

  • YaqYaq Member Posts: 23

    @megaweenieman said:
    In most games I play (I almost always play as killer) one or two survivors block the hook by crouching in front of it. Did the devs intetionally make that a viable option? It’s so cheap and infuriating (especially when I don’t run iron grasp).

    there is a achievement doing this 250 times

  • FSB75FSB75 Member Posts: 199

    @Yaq said:

    @megaweenieman said:
    In most games I play (I almost always play as killer) one or two survivors block the hook by crouching in front of it. Did the devs intetionally make that a viable option? It’s so cheap and infuriating (especially when I don’t run iron grasp).

    there is a achievement doing this 250 times

    There is an achievement for "distraction". Unfortunately the game cannot discern between running around in front of the killer and crouching under the hook preventing a hook.

  • FSB75FSB75 Member Posts: 199

    @Jack11803 said:

    Your own personal sense of justice?

    As a killer, I openly criticize players that believe the killer should be a "powerhouse"....controlling the game. I don't think it's possible to achieve balance while either side (killer or survivor) maintains an edge.

    For me, it's a sense of immersion. When 1,2, or as many as 3 survivors come running up to a killer within the first minute of the game, it's obvious that there is no fear or sense of urgency on the survivors part. It's simply not the game I want to play. Now, that's fine, the game wasn't meant for me individually. Perhaps it's even a sense of taking SOME control. If I can't control the fact that players are not afraid of being caught, and to add insult to injury I can't even control hooking a survivor I rightfully caught, I'm going to control something.

    Personally....and I'm well aware this isn't popular, I'd like to see an all or nothing BP system. Increase BPs awarded by, I don't care, 500%....die and get nothing.

  • mintchapstickmintchapstick Member Posts: 285

    @Tsulan said:

    @mintchapstick said:

    @Tsulan said:
    The problem is not only the hook. Once the gates are open, the survivors block the killer, so het can´t down the injured survivor. Since they get a speed burst, they can easily take rounds at protecting the injured.

    There´s not really much the killer can do.

    Yeah, damn those people working as a team in a 4 vs 1 game.

    Hold on...

    When the team sucks = "give me my free escape, because it´s not fair that i get punished because my team sucks"
    When the team wins = "yeah we are supposed to work as a team, that´s why we win"

    Find the error.

    It's funny that you bring that up, because my original reply to you was:

    You think survivors should work as a team and should be held accountable as a team, and then you whine when they do. Is there literally any winning with you? Should all survivors just stand still & die for you?

  • shadowsfall42shadowsfall42 Member Posts: 201
    A one hit down, while a survivor is being carried and any variation of that is an awful idea.

    If survivors are body blocking a hook, drop the one you're carrying and hit them. It's an option that is perfectly viable but is yet to be mentioned. Don't waste time trying to hook them if you're being bodyblocked, unless it's literally just one. Hit them. In most situations one person body blocking is really good for you, as you hook the one you're carrying and suddenly, another survivor is occupied with healing or running from you, without the benefit of being able to take an additional hit. Even if that survivor is saved you have a new one to hook. It's a good strategy if executed properly and provided the survivor gets off the killers shoulders.
  • FSB75FSB75 Member Posts: 199

    @shadowsfall42 said:
    A one hit down, while a survivor is being carried and any variation of that is an awful idea.

    If survivors are body blocking a hook, drop the one you're carrying and hit them. It's an option that is perfectly viable but is yet to be mentioned. Don't waste time trying to hook them if you're being bodyblocked, unless it's literally just one. Hit them. In most situations one person body blocking is really good for you, as you hook the one you're carrying and suddenly, another survivor is occupied with healing or running from you, without the benefit of being able to take an additional hit. Even if that survivor is saved you have a new one to hook. It's a good strategy if executed properly and provided the survivor gets off the killers shoulders.

    Sure, let me just drop this survivor so I can give other survivors another chance to blind me with a flashlight. Or perhaps someone has an instant heal. Dropping a survivor when you have already put the work in to put them in the dying state just because you can't hook them is ridiculous.

    Personally, I think the killer should be shown the "wiggle meter". I'm fairly confident a killer would be aware if they are losing grip.

  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 6,056

    @FSB75 said:

    Personally, I think the killer should be shown the "wiggle meter". I'm fairly confident a killer would be aware if they are losing grip.

    The wiggle meter would just be abused then, oh they're about to wiggle out i'll drop them and camp bleed them to death instead. If it was only usable while being body blocked then it'd be a better option but as a standalone it'd be way too easy to game.

  • shadowsfall42shadowsfall42 Member Posts: 201
    edited June 2018
    FSB75 said:

    @shadowsfall42 said:
    A one hit down, while a survivor is being carried and any variation of that is an awful idea.

    If survivors are body blocking a hook, drop the one you're carrying and hit them. It's an option that is perfectly viable but is yet to be mentioned. Don't waste time trying to hook them if you're being bodyblocked, unless it's literally just one. Hit them. In most situations one person body blocking is really good for you, as you hook the one you're carrying and suddenly, another survivor is occupied with healing or running from you, without the benefit of being able to take an additional hit. Even if that survivor is saved you have a new one to hook. It's a good strategy if executed properly and provided the survivor gets off the killers shoulders.

    Sure, let me just drop this survivor so I can give other survivors another chance to blind me with a flashlight. Or perhaps someone has an instant heal. Dropping a survivor when you have already put the work in to put them in the dying state just because you can't hook them is ridiculous.

    Personally, I think the killer should be shown the "wiggle meter". I'm fairly confident a killer would be aware if they are losing grip.


    Your choices against bodyblocking are just hit them, which if the survivors body block correctly, they're gonna wiggle off, which nullifies your work anyway or drop them, and hit the body blockers. If they want to stick around, you have the potential for more downs. Dropping them means unless they have a full Insta heal, the work towards downing them remains intact. One heal state Insta heal doesn't matter as you can down them in one hit and it resets wiggle progress. If they have flashlights do what you should do if you think they have flashlights and fake a pick up and hit them.

    Or you could keep being you, ignoring legitimate advice and whining. 
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  • EpicFailTryHardEpicFailTryHard Member Posts: 1,316
    FSB75 said:

    My solution is simple:i

    When survivors attempt to body block me from hooking, I go instantly into face camp mode.

    Think of it like binary:

    By default, my face camping is set to 0. Body blocking switches it to 1.

    While both face camping AND body blocking are legitimate to use in game, it is up to the survivors to "cross that line".

    Let's be clear here...I'm not talking only about successful body blocking, wherein the survivor gets away. I mean ANY attempt to prevent my progress to the hook. As such, the player I'm attempting to hook may not have done anything to bring the upcoming face camp on themselves...but they will endure the burden of being face camped. I will forego all other players and all efforts to prevent them from leaving until the player on the hook is dead. If I should so happen to hook another survivor from the same trial, it's the same thing.



    exactly.  that is the only time i camp as killer.  although, i also block hooks as a survivor.  i don't play swf though.
  • ZavriZavri Member Posts: 241

    @RemoveSWF said:

    @powerbats said:
    One solution would be if it's more than 1 survivor you get an increased chance of downing them in 1 hit. So 1 person you have 25% chance, 2 50% and 3 75% chance to insta down them. That'd make blocking much more strategic than it currently is. This would be especially true against SWF groups.

    Overly complicated.

    One guy above had the perfect solution - Make it a perk. You down survivors in one hit when you're carrying another survivor. It needs to be a separate perk because Agitation is already strong enough.

    It wouldn't be OP because after the first time, they'd just stop doing it. Even though they'd stop doing it, your perk would still be useful because you'd be able to get people to the hook quicker.

    agitation strong? lmao

    It wastes an entire perk slot over better perks.

  • MrsMaliciousXMrsMaliciousX Member Posts: 144
    edited June 2018

    I just dont understand people..they say that the survivors complain to much?
    I wasn't around for the BT..But I was around for the killers crying out about too many pallets...so they got decreased..I was around when killers started crying about the hooks...They added more and put them closer together (No to mention there is an offering that you can have 1-2 more)..I was around when killers started crying about how DS is a get out of jail free card...Ive been around for killers to cry about how OP SB SC DS and Adrenaline is OP...LOL so far all Ive been seeing in the past almost year that Ive been playing is killers crying about everything...Yet survivors arent running to devs crying about BBQ or the one hit down weapons that killers have..People may say that its so much easier as a survivor, But i play both sides and before rank reset I was the same rank on both sides..I got to the rank quicker as a killer than a survivor..yeah yea swf may to too op whatever..there are ways to counter everything, and as far as DS being a get out of jail free card then you must not be a very good killer..As I said I started about a year ago..p2 Bubba and I get 3-4 kills a game..I dont face camp (even though im being taunted and tbagged and everything else) I play the way I wanna be played on...yet I see more and more and more face camping killers because they think that just because they are bad...everyone else needs to have a bad time..

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