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Plague is probably S/A tier now

PleassBuiltInNoedPleassBuiltInNoed Member Posts: 617
edited October 2021 in General Discussions

Vs all the medkits and boon totems where survivors heal mid chase before killer can catch up, plague is actually strong as hell.

I've been using monitor, agitation, blood echo and lethal pursuer and I must say I've been getting 9-11 hooks in every game constantly. For addons I'm using green increased vile purge effectivity and green charge time for both purges. You can fully break survivors when hitting around 60-70% of your vile purge charge.

Monitor and lethal pursuer helps sneaking in on people early on. The faster you get your first infection, the better.

Agitation allows for very fast transportation to hooks, which is probably the only thing you don't wanna waste time on with this killer.

Blood Echo is kinda insane, even if survivors don't cleanse, you can deny most of their exhaustion perks, especially dead hard, at almost all times in mid/end-game. This makes plague chase potential epic even without corrupt purge as survivors can't just extend chase by another 30 seconds just by pressing a button.

With the buffs her power feels smooth and effective to use. She also fully counters the healing meta, which has been going on for very long and now is enhanced by boon totems.

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  • TheGannManTheGannMan Member Posts: 9,335

    I love the Plaything Retribution combo, especially since Retribution got buffed.

  • kate_best_girlkate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    No she’s still pretty much C-D tier

  • PleassBuiltInNoedPleassBuiltInNoed Member Posts: 617

    I agree with big maps issue, but every killer except for blight, nurse and spirit have that issue, thus I use agiation -> if you know survivors are at some place of the map you can just move there while carrying a survivor to a hook. But yes, on large maps my games usually end with survivors finishing all gens and one of the escaping via exit or hatch, but still 9-11 hooks is really good.

    I used to like Plaything, but later found out its a useless perk, survivors mostly ignore it because of SWF or simply thanks to experience in the game. The perk does nothing to slow the gens down. When you run it against survivors who doesn't panic when he is inflicted with impairing debuffs and pays attention while doing their objectives it basically does nothing, and SWF aplifies that. If it applied exhaustion, then it would be a good perk and I think it would actually become meta.

    Discordance is fine I suppose.

    Deadlock is a good perk, I sometimes use it on some killers that really do need the slowdown.

    Pop is actually gargabage perk after the nerf, you don't have enough time to use it in many scenarios and the time you actually gain from using it is much less than it theoretically seems.

  • PleassBuiltInNoedPleassBuiltInNoed Member Posts: 617
    edited October 2021

    I would rate her low S/high A, since Spirit is gone from there now.

    But yes, her power actually does everything and with blood echo you don't have to worry about dead hard's that much. You could say that the buff increased her mobility since she is not slowed to hell when using it anymore.

    The point is that with all the healing gone, she does not feel as stressful to play. Survivors healing hits mid-chase or just really really fast makes me feel miserable as a killer, and vs Plague they can't do that. I don't really care much about gens flying when I can down people really fast and not see them healing mid chase before I even get to the next pallet they just ran to from the previous one.

  • StarLostStarLost Member Posts: 6,316
    edited October 2021

    Interesting. I guess we both play quite differently :).

    From my experience, if they don't do Plaything totems, they are setting themselves up for incredibly easy chases and grabs. Unless you are playing at a crazily high MMR, and approach correctly, it's devastating. They'll either have to play ultra paranoid, or play stupid risky. It even helps a lot on chase in some maps, as survivors don't know when to drop and constantly have to look behind them, often running into bad areas. I love it when people don't cleanse it.

    It may be less useful against incredible SWF groups or 2000+ hour monsters, but most things are.

    Blood Echo is...fine, but I struggle to get good value out of it especially with that boon that removes scratches. But congrats if you've made it work, always happy to see people able to play their way and have success.

    Spirit is definitely still A-tier. The only thing that took a knock was her ability to mindgame, which is only really a problem at a very high level of play.

    Plague is definitely not low 'S' tier, although I personally think the only S tier killer is Blight.

    In theory Nurse is the strongest killer in the game, but even watching the best killers in the world, they can struggle with her. Watch Otz and his 'streak' videos, he had an easier time on Doctor (ironically).

  • Rancid_DischargeRancid_Discharge Applicant Posts: 193

    Definitely not s tier but absolutley a tier. I've always personally thought plague was at the top of b tier but now I feel she's low/mid a tier. Still suffers from most of the things m1 killers struggle from but she's way better than before.

  • StarLostStarLost Member Posts: 6,316

    I'll agree here.

    The problem is more that three maps in the game are absurdly survivor favored, two are pretty survivor favored and only one is *slightly* killer favored.

    As I get better at the game, I'm finding more and more that how well I play and what perks I run are sometimes of secondary important to which killer/map combination it is.

    It's also why I'm leaning more and more towards playing Hag, Demo and sometimes Pinhead. The former two can bypass a lot of verticality and the latter is just an excellent anti-steamroll killer.

  • Ghouled_MojoGhouled_Mojo Member Posts: 1,845

    I might like her if she wasn’t so damn loud with her powers. Those loud ass ######### whispers ruin her

  • StarLostStarLost Member Posts: 6,316

    Demo has the same problem.

    It's hard to hear footsteps and groans when it sounds like he's halfway through eating a slice of pizza constantly.

    GRMFGRMFGRMFGRMF

  • AltarfAltarf Member Posts: 1,043

    No killer can be S tier without some form of mobility. Simple as. Plague is very good, but has too much RNG, survivor dependence and inconsistent chase power to be stronger than A tier.

  • StarLostStarLost Member Posts: 6,316

    This.

    I'd even hesitate to put her at 'A' tier, as she's just so absurdly bad on the big 3.

    She really need a specific sort of map to function well.

  • OopsAllHexesOopsAllHexes Member Posts: 624

    Wouldn't say this given how she counters the meta, and counters what people are currently complaining about.

    She's B tier at minimum, has an anti-chase power that lets her snowball very, very fast.

  • StarLostStarLost Member Posts: 6,316

    'B' tier is safe, and probably where I'd put her.

    She dookies all over uncoordinated groups, much like Pinhead and Wraith (well, used to for the latter, yes I'm still salty) but groups that know how to play around her immobility and don't give her too many chances to go ham with her red vommy can run over her, especially in RPD, Haddon and Badham.

  • ukenickyukenicky Member Posts: 1,351

    She's always been A tier, now more than ever. When she has Corrupt Purge active she shoots up to S tier.

    Plague is very underrated. I think the reason people always want to put her lower is because she's a snowball killer with no mobility. The fact that she happens to directly counter the heavy healing meta right now is nice but niche and I don't think it's fair to count that towards her overall ranking.

  • VerconisspVerconissp Member Posts: 1,467

    Tbf. Plague don't come close to being S, Imho..

    She still gets out-shined by Oni. Hag. Huntress. PH. Nemmy, Doctor. the 3 S tiers of course, Twins even..

    She's just barely pushing High mid tier, AT BEST

  • BwstedBwsted Member Posts: 3,059

    She has a lot of potential to snowball if one survivor screws the team by not knowing when and when not to cleanse. If they do know, she's just another Legion with some anti stealth.

    I don't know if that's enough to make her S, or even A-tier material in your book. It doesn't in mine.

  • CrowmanCrowman Member Posts: 4,931

    Plague will never become S tier because if she ever becomes meta survivors will just adapt to not healing.

    At best she can be a low A tier counter meta pick who has good snowball potential with her corrupt purge since she has at least 1.

  • RenRenRenRen Member Posts: 1,351

    100% not S tier. Definitely A tier though.

  • ThiccBudhhaThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,516

    I more or less agree, I feel like people are just really stubborn about the killers they believe to be powerful and nothing will change their minds. But as the game changes and they do not consider the implications of those changes... She has gotten MUCH better. Easily one of the best killers in the game at the moment.

  • R2kR2k Member Posts: 1,069

    Hag, Oni, Blight, Nurse, Spirit, Huntress are still better. Not sure about others.

    Plague is probably bottom A at her best.

  • SkerpiTwitchSkerpiTwitch Member Posts: 327

    At this stage, all killers are D tier cause of stretched rezz and cheaters.

  • SlothGirlySlothGirly Member Posts: 1,146

    damn, I guess Nurse, Spirit and Blight are C-D tier too

  • SkerpiTwitchSkerpiTwitch Member Posts: 327

    You get stomped with those killers too if you face high mmr

  • PandaChrisPandaChris Member Posts: 140

    You need the big 3 to get S tier. Chase, anti loop and mobility. That's why nurse, spirit and blight are top.

    Then you got killers like huntress with no mobility, oni who is hard to control on loops, hag who again isn't very loop friendly and not great in chase cause of speed. Then you could probably toss plague in there with no mobility and needs a pool to be effective in chase and loops.

  • Seth__Seth__ Member Posts: 1,470

    I think people don't understand the S tier.


    Plague is good, but since we have a killer that ignores everything in this game (Nurse).. she is for sure not "S". She may be good though

  • JacksonWiseJacksonWise Member Posts: 635

    Definitely agree on mid to low A-tier!

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