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~6 months later and Trickster is still an awful Killer.

6 months after his release and the Trickster is still an awful Killer in almost every aspect. At this point I've given up on ever seeing a buff for this Killer that'll make him an actually viable Killer because of how's hes designed and how slow BHVR are at changing anything. Do you guys believe that Trickster in his current form is just a lost cause?

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  • MomentosisMomentosis Member Posts: 822

    Yeah but they made Deathslinger so ######### it's way more fun and rewarding to play Trickster instead.

  • Chilli_man2400Chilli_man2400 Member Posts: 2,296

    The problem is like legion you can’t buff him without breaking him. Tricksters case is not as bad his buffs are easy but he’s ironically tricky to change

  • FrostySealFrostySeal Member Posts: 506

    Yeah, that's the issue with him. His power is so awfully designed that he will either be overpowered or underpowered, no inbetween.

  • LeonxJiwoonLeonxJiwoon Member Posts: 455
    edited October 2021

    Trickster daddy is my fav killer to go against. its people who seem to not be good at dodging his knife think his op and he is not, heck I even do crazy things to a trickster by running right at his face and spin around him if he wants to throw knifes lol and he miss so many or even runs out and have no choice but to whack me 2 times. For me personally who love to go against him and learning him, he seem decent but I would not mind a buff to him if others think he needs it.

  • BeaburdBeaburd Member Posts: 815
    edited October 2021

    I cannot resist any thread where Trickster is mentioned just because I want to like him so much, but I can't in his current state.

    I literally do not care what state of balance he is in overall. All I want is for them to change his kit to make his knives bounce off walls base kit, and have his add-ons adjust what effect the bouncing knives give. If they have to gut him to make it viable in their minds, fine, but give me the Trickster I envision.

    I know it's selfish of me to demand that without consideration for his current fan base but oh well.

    Bea wants what Bea wants.

  • ThiccBudhhaThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,521

    Yeah, I went knife only for the rift challenges and once survivors noticed, they were chasing me. I had to Mayweather my way through the challenge.

  • SnakeSound222SnakeSound222 Member Posts: 4,467

    On controller his aiming is horrific. I tried throwing knives at very close range only to have like half of them miss even though I was looking directly at the Survivor. I was in complete shock over how bad he actually is.

  • LeonxJiwoonLeonxJiwoon Member Posts: 455
  • ThiccBudhhaThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,521

    I thought everyone was overexaggerating about his recoil, and then I tested it in a game where 2 people DC'd and I felt bad, so I was going to just let them go. The knives are never centered and the recoil is basically like the old MW3 Desert Eagle. Lawd almighty everything made so much sense retroactively.

  • VeinslayVeinslay Member Posts: 1,100

    I play him on console a lot, and I actually think he's a lot of fun to play as. He's been my main lately along with Freddy. He's not very good, probably one of the worst on console, but he's pretty fun and he has cool cosmetics and mannerisms

  • I don't think Trickster is a bad killer at all... I think there are more people who don't play Trickster because they assume he is bad. He's also a fairly difficult killer to learn, much less even consider mastering. He falls in line with other killers like Pinhead, Demogorgon, Ghostface, Pyramid, and Clown - killers that should know their powers enough to take full advantage of them.

    I see Demo players who don't use their portals at all. Ghostface players stealthing out in the open. Pyramid players second guessing themselves and losing a chase. Pinhead players usingtheir chains near pallets. Clown players throwing bottles before a pallet is even dropped.

    There's no question, with such varying skill levels in the game, that some people just will not understand how to play Trickster. That transfers to every player in the game. And with such a huge stigma surrounding Trickster, even fewer people are playing him... the less people play him the less people will learn how to play him.

    I kinda wish there were more Trickster enthusiasts because I think he's really fun to play. Ghostface too.

  • SonzaishinaiSonzaishinai Member Posts: 6,494

    He's not that bad actually. If you don't spam knives, make each of them count and have good aim he can chew through healthstates.

    Nothing A tier worthy ofcourse but a solid B tier. You can win if you make good plays and use his strengts well

    Again if you can aim. Which means console is screwed. Console trickster is indeed awefull

  • Buily09Buily09 Member Posts: 2,831

    I strongly disagree. They really made him much more stronger and more fun to play. He is decent good killer (if you can aim with him well).

  • ThatOneDemoPlayerThatOneDemoPlayer Member Posts: 5,079

    Agree. Trickster is one of the worst Killers in the game with no originality. You want to play a good ranged Killer? Play Huntress, she's guaranteed to take a health state wherever Trickster is able to get a single knife in. Huntress also has better range and doesn't get destroyed by high wall loops unlike Trickster who is an 110 Killer with no power at those loops. I'd love it if he would get a rework and focus on his musical abilities instead of his knives throwing ability.

    Here's how it could look like


  • FeydFeyd Member Posts: 428

    He's a ranged machine gun. Doesn't do much damage per shot(like huntress) but doesn't need to be anywhere near as accurate. I personally enjoy spamming knives with him.

    Only change I'd make is to make showstopper completely under you control on when to use. Stupid that it can come up when it's useless and just be wasted.

  • ThiccBudhhaThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,521

    I like the idea, I really do, but he would be a face camping menace if he could hold main event. I guess it would be fine if Bubba is fine, but I assume that is their concern.

  • OldHunterLightOldHunterLight Member Posts: 3,000

    Or what if you need to practice him more instead of just hoping to him to get a buff? In fact I personally believe trickster is not as weak as you make him out to be, trickster main here and I can easily say that he is really oppressive add bamboozle and shack is nothing but a joke vs him.

    Practice aiming and you will see, I'm not saying that he is stronger than huntress per say but he is indeed at least high b or low a

  • FeydFeyd Member Posts: 428

    At this point, I just assume they want face camping to be a thing. Could just make it so you cannot activate it anywhere near a hooked survivor too. Still, having it pop on the last thrown knife that downs someone with no one else around completely wastes it.

    His main power isn't that powerful, I say let him hold it. People already camp with him anyway.

  • FrostySealFrostySeal Member Posts: 506

    Yeah except I've been playing him for so long that now I'm stuck at high MMR. Trickster is nothing but a pub stomper or an old Bubba because in high MMR survivors know his main weakness which is rounding corners in loops. It makes so so that almost every chase your in will last for long amounts of time, and including the fact that now you have to reload constantly with his 44 knives makes it extremely difficult to win. The only times I've ever won in high MMR with Trickster was when the survivors messed up really badly. The only time you'll ever win in high MMR with Trickster is if the survivors are somehow bad, they mess up, or you get lucky with RNG and get a map that doesn't invalidate his entire power.

  • AlsoArrowAlsoArrow Member Posts: 344

    I like the state that Trickster is in - in terms of playing as and against him.

  • Seth__Seth__ Member Posts: 1,470

    Unfortunately, he is indeed pretty bad and realistically it is, not my opinion.

    Probably he will have buffs in the future, he is really bad now

  • LabracLabrac Applicant Posts: 1,285

    No amount of buffs they give to his knives will compensate the fact Trickster should be 115%. They could even revert the Laceration meter to 8 knives to damage if they just made him a 115% (and get rid of his stupid lullaby).

  • FrostySealFrostySeal Member Posts: 506

    Except for the fact that I've been playing him since his PTB days, I'm not some new comer towards him. The only thing he has going for him is the fact that's he's a pub stomper and he's one of the best campers in the game. In high MMR survivors will round corners and put objects between you and them forcing you to hold W for a decent amount of time, then when you finally catch up to them, assuming they didn't go to a really strong loop against him, then you can finally start to go through their health state. Then after that whole chase is over, you will have at best used around 18 knives and at worst 30, either way you'll have to reload. He has a massive time efficency issue that isn't helped by anything other than his ability to camp.

  • IamFranIamFran Member Posts: 1,115
    edited October 2021

    The problem of Trickster is he is so bad in a lot of maps. He is only good in maps with few walls and low profile loops like most of Autoheaven ones, Swamps and some maps of other realms like Shelter Woods and he is also slow and is a pain to use in huge maps like Ormond.

    Who want to play a killer which only shine in about 10% of the maps and in the rest is trash.

  • StibbityStabbityStibbityStabbity Member Posts: 1,643

    I still wish they had made him more of a ranged strategy killer that could build Laceration on Survivors that didn't vanish until they changed Health States. Then, he could set up snowballs or big plays.

  • YordsYords Member Posts: 5,749

    years later and trapper, the poster boy of the game, is still weak even after his buffs. Same for other killers.

  • mynameisBlademynameisBlade Member Posts: 325

    Trickster has a good "feel" to how he plays though. I would rather every Killer "feel" good than be strong. Deathslinger just got the barely decent "feeling" taken away from him. He plays like trash now with that slow aim.

  • Devil_hit11Devil_hit11 Member Posts: 1,915

    I mean people say trickster is easy-mode and that you can just miss 24/7 and still kill people. survivor mains that say that are so funny sometimes. trickster is hard as heck to play. even I miss like so many knives when survivors has good movement.

    my main problems with trickster from playing him is that you spend so much time in throwing mode that your permanent m/s might as well be 96% which is really slow and other problem with him is that you have reload 24/7 now.

    Survivor's say he is ez mode. auto-win if you pick him. I mean he has 40 meter lullaby so of course people shift+W vs that. he moves so slow in throwing mode that you lose distance for throwing knives so using objects is easier from you being so slow. The joys of playing killer where using abilities is punishment. I have same ammo problems as you. its funny, they also nerfed his throwing rate add-ons which are like his only good add-ons.

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