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Another camping thread - Its getting worse

Voodoo101Voodoo101 Member Posts: 237
edited November 2021 in Feedback and Suggestions

So there have been a lot of talk of campers on here, and I have been a big advocate that proxy camping is not a problem, waiting for the save and then going on the chase. This keeps you busy, spreads the love and gives the survivors a chance to save and play. I normally get more hooks, even if I lose the game, but when I get a 4K I know I have earned it.

Face camping is a big no, because it's boring, spoils the game for all and is not worth it. Why get one hook and about 10K of blood points, when I can get multiple hooks and over 30K or more and have more fun.

I have been playing for about a month, so up until tonight I have only met a few face campers, the proxy campers I respect, even if the tunnel me, after all three survivors doing gens if better the four. I have met a few campers, normally Bubba's which I understand an bit, and one streamer who I had looped for a while in another game and he did not catch me, although he tunnelled me, who actually took time to find me in another game, just to get me down and then stood in front of me, hitting me with axe. I think I met somebody the other day who was just bad and camped me, but got off hook and left. And one last night who I ended up 4%, being on a hill by gate with wraith stood in front of gate, injured but with med kit, and as the others left, hatch spawn right behind me.

Today a friend and I played for six hours. We had no boon totems, I had the usual build of sprint burst, kindred, borrowed time, resilience, my friend had no perks or addons because of Steam achievements, but in six hours of playing, one game did not involve a face camper, whether it was us or some random person who just joined in lobby somebody was face camped, and these was on 4 and 5 gens. Then when you saw their loadouts, it was BBQ and Chilli, NoEd, Ruin, Iron Grasp, No way out, then offerings like Mori, iridescent or very rare addons. Some was console players, some PC, some low ranks who I can understand a bit if the can't chase, some high red ranks. We had Bubbas, a Trickster who actually stood in front of me and threw knives, somebody had a Huntress throwing hatchets, we had a Legion, but to be fair it was an indoor map and they was having a hard time getting a kill, but many others did not even give chase much, got one lucky hit, hooked and then would not leave the hook, even when other players stood looking.

It does not bother me if they really want to face camp, it give me time to browse the web inbetween and all the time the killer is with me, the rest of the team can watch kindred and carry on with gens. When the gens are done they can rescue me and we can leave, or I die and the killer gets one kill, but it seems like the problem is growing and with more and more survivor players getting fed up with it, how long before people decide to leave the game.

People moan about players who DC, it is so easy on a console to hit the off button. Even with a 24 hour ban and come back the next day, or never. The problem is not with people who DC, its the way people play.

Now I know some killer mains will say about gen rushing, which we was not, in fact we was spending time doing totems, chests and things for challenges. It was just because they was either that bad, wanted to play to spoil the game, or thought it was the only way to get a kill and think it was a win.

Something needs to be done about face camping.

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  • BabuDweetBabuDweet Member Posts: 553

    I can tell you that more than likely face camping will never be addressed since the devs really don't see anything wrong with it. In a recent q&a 'apparently!' They're experimenting with techniques but cannot make any promises to implement any.

    I don't even believe they're testing anything tbh, personal view.

    I'm at a point that face camping doesn't bother me anymore, or tunneling. Or survivors that wanna bully and clicky clicky etc..., cause that's just dbd now.

    I get your frustrations though, it sucks the more much people play like scum or sweaty(both sides) since... MMR appeared.

    Honestly, I would say just try not to get bothered and learn to live with it or else good luck wanting to stick to this game.

    Just my personal opinion is all :)

  • Bennett_They1ThemBennett_They1Them Member Posts: 2,281

    yeah. Maybe a perk/passive that makes it so your hook status doesn't decrease/decreases considerably slower while the killer is within 4/8/12 Meters? Maybe you could actually get more time when you get hit on hook as a bit of a meme.

  • Voodoo101Voodoo101 Member Posts: 237

    I have just played a killer game, doing challenges like hitting survivor with weapon, breaking gens etc. Had a team that bad that I had to stand and let them heal, I was so afraid of hooking them incase they did not save or DC, because I wanted the challenge done in one game. When I let them have gate, they waited till end of timer tea bagging. At first I thought it was toxic, but then I thought it way of them just saying thanks for not camping and tunnelling, but after the night I have had, I can see why people do teabag to be toxic.

  • ThiccBudhhaThiccBudhha Member Posts: 5,726

    I would love the timer slowing down as I beat them on hook. Why has nobody suggested this before? It is amazing, and if you do not want more time, you just don't smash their face with the hammer. Easy.

  • MazoobiMazoobi Member Posts: 993

    True that.

    Also whenever I end up visiting the forums, I see your activity on posts the second I log in haha. "Oh, it's Pulsar!"

  • IamFranIamFran Member Posts: 1,021

    The Bubba camped because you enraged him, there are a guide for facing Bubba and prevent the camping.

  • PulsarPulsar Member Posts: 12,471
    edited November 2021

    Well, I do have 9,000 posts now and 32K upvotes, so the statistical likelihood of you seeing a post or comment from me is fairly high. Apparently, I'm on track to surpass Orion and their posts/upvotes pretty quick here.

    But yes, I do spend an unholy amount of time here.

  • VikingDragonXiiVikingDragonXii Member Posts: 1,166

    The issue with that is Survivors could abuse it by running killers near the hook to prevent any hook progress.

  • Johnny_XManJohnny_XMan Member Posts: 5,459

    +liked because saw babu Dweet in post.

    j/k 😂 but I agree with your general feelings about this

  • MylaMyla Member Posts: 1,551
    edited November 2021

    Because there's no fix for it. It's just inherently built into the game and it was massive oversight by the developers. You can't fix it unless you basically rebuilt the game's mechanics. People like to say that fixing the game balance like generator time,blah blah would magically delete face camping and tunneling from the game it won't. Any killer can just wake up and suddenly think "I want to be a douche today" and they can and there's nothing stopping from them. I spent years with the game and I have never seen a single person suggest a fix to face camping or tunneling without being intrusive to the killer or changing how the game works. You just can't.

    That's just how it is really.

  • VikingDragonXiiVikingDragonXii Member Posts: 1,166

    Right there have been alot of times survivors would loop me AROUND the hook. They dont try to lure me away they just loop near the hook. One time that happened the survivor died on the hook, at the end game chat all the other survivors accused me of camping. When I said you guys wanted to loop me around the hook, their reaponse....well you should of just let us un hook them so you were camping....


    I hate entitled survivor mains like that.....

  • ThiccBudhhaThiccBudhha Member Posts: 5,726

    You should have said you would have let them, but they never tried.

  • VikingDragonXiiVikingDragonXii Member Posts: 1,166

    Yea I know.....I felt bad for the survivor on the hook. I only really face camp on survivors that grief me too much or pallet slammed or flashlight stunned me way too many times...but other than that I walk away after the usual check the surroundings.

  • legacycoltlegacycolt Member Posts: 931

    Didn’t they say that on a dev stream? not sure though

  • ToastyyToastyy Member Posts: 224
    edited November 2021

    Killers are face camping due to knowing they can’t win a match because either gens went too quick or they can’t catch the survivors very easily. The busted boon totems are also why people are face camping so it most likely wont calm down till they nerf boons.

  • ToastyyToastyy Member Posts: 224

    I understand the pain honestly, I don’t facecamp but I can understand why people do, just hold in there buddy

  • FirelliusFirellius Member Posts: 1,871

    I really dislike this mentality, as it underpins the biggest balancing issues in the game.

    Any time the killer doesn't like anything, he just takes the entire game hostage by facecamping.

    'I want boons nerfed, so I'll facecamp until they're nerfed'

    'I want Dead Hard nerfed, so I'll facecamp until it is.'

    'I want gen speeds nerfed, so I'll facecamp until they are'

    'I want Red Herring nerfed, so I'll facecamp until it is.'


    Facecamping is the lodestone of the game's balancing issues and it really needs to be dealt with.

  • ukenickyukenicky Member Posts: 1,331

    I couldn't have put it better myself.

    But for real. Face camping + NOED guarantees a killer 2 easy kills almost every match as long as they're somewhat competent. All I want is for a killer who face camps (Early in the match) to be severely punished and the person who gets face camped from first hook to death to get distraction points (In Objectives category) or SOMETHING to compensate for being literally held hostage all match.

    I have grown to not mind slugging and tunneling because there is counter play to them and you can still play the game through them but if you're being face camped there is no counter and you don't get to play the game. How is that okay? Or enjoyable to new players?

    I don't face camp at 4-5 gens and I do just fine. Honestly if you need to face camp + NOED to guarantee kills that's kind of sad. If you don't want to put in the effort of playing killer then why play it at all?

  • HannaciaHannacia Member Posts: 552

    I only facecamp when doors are activated. Did it today and i got survivor telling me in the end i should have accepted i lost and let me save that person without camping... Sorry survivors but you are not entitled to everything in this game.

    Devs need to fix the maps + gen speeds before they do anything to camping. Killers are having big issues now which is causing more camping and tunneling.

  • EntitySpawnEntitySpawn Member Posts: 3,196

    Yeah but like camping and tunneling is a strat... like iv never face camped but I have been forced to proxy within a few metres to try get some pressure back.

    But let's be real tunneling is more popular now because more and more killer feel they need to, but I get that tbh. I was playing with a friend and I was getting tunneled and my friend was getting mad? I'm just like nah I dont blame him he needs to try something.

    Alot and I mean ALOT of people over use these terms. I can get called a camper when I chase someone to the hook or sometimes when I'm not even near lol.

    But I'll add this, I was playing billy, getting insta downs quickly over and over. I only just managed the 3k, it was quite clear I was far above the skill they're use to and yet I couldn't get that 4k because I played "too nice" but luckily I had fun that match, got lots of nice curves in and played so perfect i got loads of hooks.

    But that's the issue, play perfect and still the last one tbags at exit lol

  • TsulanTsulan Member Posts: 11,478

    If you want to know why so many killers camp and tunnel, I'd recommend you to play only killer for a month. Not just a killer daily every few days, but dedicating a whole month to the killer role.

    I guarantee you that you'll understand why killers camp.

  • BrokenSouIBrokenSouI Member Posts: 5,174

    Here's the problem. You've arrived in a time in DBD. Where boons exist. Maps are still broken to hell. Gen speeds are still rediculous. Hackers are rampant.

    Killer is NOT in a good spot. No matter how bad it used to be "back in the day" At minimum. You basically need to hope a team ######### up hard and let's you slug them out. Or make sure someone is on death hook via tunneling by the time a gen pops(or 2)

    So what you get is a atmosphere for killers just trying to do their best to have fun in their own game with odds so stacked against them. Rather it's by face camping with NOED. Or camping you out early and going for that balanced "2k" the devs so desperately want...Even if it means 4 hooks total all game. Instead of 8 hooks(10 total at the end)

  • JoByDaylightJoByDaylight Member Posts: 385

    That is not what normal people call facecamping though, that's just crying. He should blame the teammate then..

    There is a big difference in complaining about ACTUAL facecamping, which undoubtedly is a big problem atm. I'm talking about refusing to leave the face of the hanging survivor, even though there are 5 gens left and noone around.

  • JoByDaylightJoByDaylight Member Posts: 385

    Yes there are a lot of facecampers out there, sadly. More than before. I get why some people think they have to camp to get kills, which is sad because it not only ruins the gameplay for themselves but also for everyone else that trial. Im mostly talking about facecamping early in the game, not in the EGC or something..

    Why is facecamping worse than everything else? Because it totally rejects the suvivor being facecamped from actually playing the game. After 6 games the other day I was facecamped at 4 or 5 gens remaining in 3 of them. I was playing with a friend. Half of my gaming time I was on a hook, totalle unable to actually play the game. Really made me think, is this worth it?? After spending all this time on the grind and money on every DLC, outfits etc, I am kinda stuck though. I never play enough to invest time with a new game wither.. UGH!

    Playing in a good SWF, this is not a big problem - you just do gens and get out. Playing Solo or with 1 friend you are hopeless against a facecamping killer (Bubba). The others will use time roaming the hook before figuring out the killer is camping. It is basically a free 4K with no gameplay.

    The weird part is the joke is on the killer, for getting these 4K matches means that they will face tougher opponents and then they are stuck with facecamping to even have a chance.. haha!

    Again I'm not blaming anyone, but this is not a healthy sign.

    THIS GAME IS AN EVIL CIRCLE.

  • JPAJPA Member Posts: 1,685

    Facecamping doesn't result in a 4K that often though, and eventually you will get to an MMR where the Survivors know what you are up to and it will net you 2K max.

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