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Bubba lost face
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Can anyone please explain why removing Leatherface masks is important?
Like,i don't see how it's gonna solve anything.If people want to be awful then they are going to be awful.
Apologies if that may sound rude to anyone.I just want to see the correlation
It's dumb of bhvr to remove the faces because people were complaining that they were being used to harass people.
It's not something I've seen really happen.
I think since we have so many survivors now that most of the original four weren't getting played and they didn't want to make a face for each original survivor. I get that the official answer is to save people from hurt feelings but pretty sure Leatherface is still going to tunnel and facecamp you. That's what he do.
They really should up the iri shard gift to 9k shard just in case someone wants to buy another killer and switch mains though. People that grinded out all the masks are going to be rightfully upset.
You’re not understanding.
Some Smartface Bubbas were harassing black creators and people who played black characters.
They’re the ones who used it to re-create the whole blackface problem and target people with it.
Unless elves are real, there’s a good reason this cosmetic is being removed.
The claudette mask (or smart face as it's known in game) was the main one causing issues as certain players were using it in conjunction with other things to target players of certain races and ethnicities. The mask also became synonymous with toxicity since the players who use it were often just that
The other masks, except for maybe the jake mask (I'm not really sure), never really caused an issue but I think BHVR just wants to be done with the whole discussion so removing all of the masks is much more straight forward and less likely to cause as much backlash compared to if they just removed the claudette mask.
I sadly have lol....people in this community can be ridiculous. I have that I have autism on my profile and my god I had to remove it because of how people are in this game. 😏 a little trash talk is fine but people take it way too far.
Nope. Only fair to remove them ALL if they removed one.
I'm glad they removed them all.
i personally think they should have left the faces rather than just straight up remove them.
i agree some people may have been using certain faces to be malicious however that small minority has resulted in people using the masks for no malicious reason to be punished as well.
Who is "you people" What do you actually mean by that?
If you actually think there is nothing wrong with racially targeting and harassing people I really don't have anything else to say to you.
I didn't even know this was a thing. I never saw any streamer bring it up or saw a forum post on the issue. It seems like they just listened to less then 1% of the community who experienced something by removing a cool idea from everyone. Leatherface wearing the face of his victims is part of his lore.
He is a killer who uses the skin of murdered persons? YES.
He kill only white people? NO.
So, this is not BLACK FACE. Oh god, where we are going for?
EDIT:
Unfortunately bhvr will go overboard most of the time when forums get bombarded with the same posts.
Look at ruin, spirit, nurse, ruin/undying, and I'm sure i forgot a lot more.
I wish that instead of them being outright removed we instead got them changed to objects of the survivor's clothing that Bubba wears instead (since he does take and wear trinkets of his victims too, so it remains lore consistent while removing all of the problematic elements I can see), however I also don't have an issue with this either. I didn't feel either way, but my black friends were incredibly uncomfortable with it, so I was here to advocate for it's removal using the points they've made because they're far more knowledgeable in the topic than I am.
I would take shards over a killer I rarely play any day.
Personally, I dont think it was needed. The only reason why one of the faces was black was because one of the four original Survivors was black. If there would have been 4 white people, he would have had 4 white faces.
I also dont think that this will change anything on the topic of harassment. If a Killers want to tunnel Survivors who use certain characters with a different skin color or want to actively harrass streamers who are People of Color, they can and will still do it, just not with a Smartface anymore. The sad thing is, you cannot reliable ban people for it, because as long as they dont admit it, you cannot really prove why they camped someone (as Bubba or any other Killer).
But if it has the chance to decrease harrassment, it is fine to remove the face. For me it does not matter, I was using the P3 since ages and so I get some juicy shards.
(On the topic of collecting faces - this was fun, but I dont consider this a good option anymore, simply because you cannot switch Killers in the Lobby anymore. So while this was a cool concept, I doubt that newer players would be able to collect all faces unless they play Bubba over a very long period of time)
This is frustrating, I came on to make a post about it after hearing about the removal, it took me some time to get all four faces and now BHVR is taking them from me? for 6k shards?? LOL, Absurd. Maybe work on the toxic issue. I dont even use the faces except for bragging rights. I want other faces please, thank you.
so i guess they won huh
Surely the cosmetic isn't the problem here, though?
I think there's bigger issues with that behaviour than the racist's wardrobe.
Its really dumb tbh I want them ba-
Wait SIX THOUSAND iri shards? Hell yea.
I'm about to make a stereotypical annoying twitter account and advocate to get more stuff removed if we get 6k iri shards in return.
EDIT: Also this will not do anything to stop harassment, if anything it's fuled it because it's shown that they care.
People using macro flashlight clicking and teabagging are targeting harassing me in a hateful manner as someone with epilepsy. When is BHVR going to fix that?
I'll take the shards, the masks were dumb.
Yeah that makes sense.Quite a shame because i liked the masks but i understand.
Thanks 👍
Honestly I don't know where I stand on the issue. I agree that racist and problematic players used it to be hateful and they were trying to counteracts but at the same time I don't feel this was the best solution and the arguments as to why the mask in of itself was racist was a bit unconvincing.
Hypocrits, you are not removing homophobic and racist names from players. Nor Clicky clicky, Nor Hackers. So far from reality this company, its unbelievble.
I've not seen it either. I only follow a handful of people in the DBD community and none of them would have encountered this.
However, that doesn't mean it wasn't happening or wasn't a legitimate issue. I can't say I'm bothered by their response to this.
because the black mask was being used to purposefully target and harass them and nobody else in the match, leading to them feeling incredibly uncomfortable. combined with such creative names and it would lead to an incredibly discouraging, uncomfortable, and unfun experience.
I’m pretty sure people with epileptic conditions are supposed to check with a physician to see if they should be playing a game.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COMPARING SOMETHING USED TO TARGET BLACK PEOPLE TO FLASHLIGHT FLICKING OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I think the focus here is removing tools that facilitate a certain behavior.