A very good comment.
Some of you should watch this video and educate yourselves on the topic because I know some of you don't care, but how about listening to the people it's actually happening to instead of being biased and unknowing of the actual issue.
I said this in another post so I can say it here
Honestly I don't know where I stand on the issue. I agree that racist and problematic players used it to be hateful and they were trying to counteracts but at the same time I don't feel this was the best solution and the arguments as to why the mask in of itself was racist was a bit unconvincing
I think it's dumb that they're removing them, though I will say why is it they don't like hate and toxicity about the masks but don't do anything about macro flashlights which can legitimately hurt someone?
Remove flashlights then. The same argument can be used but only without the racism variable.
How is it proven that your friends are harassed over something in the game with Bubba? How did they prove this?
This seems to be something much more geographical. In Brazil this never happened, everyone who wears Claudette's mask, for example, wears it for aesthetic reasons, I particularly think that bubba is more concerned with her, and I tend to make my resistances more frightening.
Offensive usernames can be reported on the platform, e.g. through their Steam profile. If the developers could remove hacking they would and comparing flashlight spam to racist attacks does not warrant any comment. Just no.
Of course. It’s the intent, which is mainly why it’s getting removed.
As a woc, I don’t have a problem with Bubbas using Smartface, I have a problem with those who use it and choose to be racist. (Which many have, and also why it’s a problem).
Since BHVR can’t ban them all (and needs a better report system tbh), I’m happy with them removing the masks all together.
I don’t agree with the compensation tho, they could’ve went with clothes/accessories as replacements.
It is so unbelievably embarrassing reading this thread and seeing people comparing literal racism with flashlight clicking.
Do you advertise to people that you're epileptic? Survivors can't see who the killer is (profile or otherwise) before the game starts so this is obviously just bad faith pathetic arguments from a childish community.
Honestly, get a grip.
Indifferent for the most part since in the nicest way possible, it's not 'my' problem. Other people have their experiences and I'm glad that something is being done to rectify their negative encounters
I said it in the other thread, I'm sad to see content removed from the game - it's a part of the game's history being removed in a way. I understand they had to remove all the masks bc the backlash and response would've been worse if they had just removed smartface.
I hope LF get's some more cosmetic options in the future or a return of this feature in a different manner, someone suggested Bubba wearing certain items of the 4 main survivors like dwight's glasses and so on.
Worst part is that you are correct....these toxic donkeys are the reason it is being removed and rightfully so. It sucks! But that is the disgusting world we live in today.
so why not just remove smartface and leave the rest be?
Meh the masks looked bad anyway
"Out of curiosity why did you facecamp me?"
Pretty clear evidence there, to use one example.
And yeah, it probably is geographical- EU and NA are horrific with it, with EU also having people start to harass Asian streamers with the Jake face (though far less common than Claudette).
And again, lore is irrelevant when it comes to protecting people. There were alternatives that could've been taken, yes, but I'm fine with this outcome too because it makes the game feel overall safer. If you want to be racist you have to be pretty overt about it.
I don't get how you can harass someone with a mask.
If people are using creative names such as the one mentioned in the previous post I still don't get how they are targeting individuals, how do these people know who they are targeting and how do they decide who the white or black survivors are...or are they only tunneling/face camping Claudettes? I get face camped plenty but I don't play as Claudette, I genuinely don't get it.
have you ever heard of stream sniping
It's not even remotely the same, I'm sorry.
This kind of harassment went past the simple in-game frustration.
I never heard about this topic. Not in our community. What is this?
Hm. Can't say I necessarily agree with the decision, but I do understand why it was done.
Good thing that they acknowledged the controversy on their main channels, regardless.
Sad it had to happen.
No point in giving these kind of people more ammunition, even if it wasen't intended that way
i hate having a mixed opinion on this topic because posts like this exist and it looks like i'm throwing my hat in the ring with this kind of reasoning
stream sniping is the act of watching an individual's stream to get into their games + see exactly what they're doing, giving you an easier time. in this context, it is used to get into the games of black streamers as blackface bubba to ruin their experience.
BHVR official opinion is that toxicity is ok and endorsed as 'part of online gaming' as long as there's no racial dimension.
My question is why not just delete Smartface alone and retain the rest.
Have you actually looked at bubba up close? They literally made his face under the mask black, it's literal black face.
imagine making an account just to comment this
Because that would cause 1 of 2 reactions
"Why wasn't X mask removed? It's racist that only X race are allowed masks"
"Why wasn't X mask removed? It's racist because people can use that mask to target X race"
BHVR wants to wash their hands of this whole thing and I don't blame them.
Nah, you dont. Really, there is a huge difference between having a mixed opinion or not really caring about it and actually comparing Flashlights to Racism.
Well, end game chat is used to harass others in a hateful manner, so why is it still a thing? How many more times do I have to be called a f slur?
the only proof you had was whiining litte "woke" twitter teens im glad i play less and less this game some of your decidion have me really question your way of to support this game further