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Bubba lost face



  • ImmersedNurseImmersedNurse Member Posts: 2,719
    edited January 4
  • MarigoriaMarigoria Member Posts: 4,622

    I'd rather someone type it here in a resumed way than having to watch a video 36 minute video ngl.

    So I'll just make a simple question:

    Is someone using the smartface mask and facecamping a PoC considered racist?

  • MarigoriaMarigoria Member Posts: 4,622
  • LaluziLaluzi Member Posts: 3,789

    I think the shards are pretty sweet compensation. That's 2/3 of the shards to buy a new character right there, and most of a purple cosmetic. 6000 is a lot.

    They can't give out cells because they outright lose money in royalties if you use free cells to buy licensed content.

    I don't like it because it signals to me that BHVR will take the route of removing content rather than actually fixing the issue that raging dickbags are allowed to rampage in their game for weeks or months on end before they finally get the axe, and are able to harass far too many players in the meantime. It strikes me as an unpleasant precedent on two levels, because I don't know what will end up on the chopping block for expediency's sake in the future, and I do know they're not looking to actually fix the problems with their community - and I'm skeptical that this will actually have any effect on reducing how much people will be harassed on the basis of what race they are or what character they're playing, because Smartface or no Smartface, they are still going to get matched with a racist #########, and that person will still act awful in the match and harass them in chat, on stream, et cetera.

    I want the racist ######### to have the hammer of God dropped on them immediately rather than losing everything that can conceivably be used in a racist way and going "Okay, we've fixed that problem now, everything is fine", and I want more resources put into the game's moderation to make this a reality, not band-aid solutions that take things away from the vast majority of players who were using them honestly.

  • GoodBoyKaruGoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 19,374

    When they camp exclusively POC and go out of their way to do it exclusively to POC over several occasions yes.

  • MarigoriaMarigoria Member Posts: 4,622

    Where is the proof that that person is exclusively camping PoC? Wouldnt they have to say it in end game chat?

  • ElcopolloElcopollo Member Posts: 673

    It's not right to rob killers from their visual or aural features just because some minority of bad people gives those features a wrong meaning. If some idiots suddenly start aggressively roleplaying as pedos while playing as Freddy - BHVR will do what, delete Freddy from the game?

    Still, even with the core idea of not wanting "to give racists a tool" there is no possible reason at all for them to remove Dwight's and Meg's masks. I guess you could make a stratched case for Jake as he's Asian, but you just can't do this argument for Dwight and Meg, especially given that Bubba's default mask (and both purple ones) is already white.

  • VeinslayVeinslay Member Posts: 950

    So if I play as Claudette I can get a killer banned for camping me by saying they were targeting me because of my character's race?

  • GoodBoyKaruGoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 19,374

    It's a lot of the same people, they will stream snipe POC to do it exclusively to them, and through reports of other POC and non-POC it's very obvious it's happening only to them. But people can continue to buy accounts and keep doing it, so outside of changing the masks to accessories which would require far more negotiations this is the best case scenario.

    It isn't about stopping racism, it's about taking away one of the tools.

  • ShapedShaped Member Posts: 5,204

    I mean, it is 2022 what do you expect.

    Not going to comment or reply to anyone beyond that on this topic btw. These discussions always bring out the worst in people no matter of their opinion, so I never indulge anymore except in close circles.

    I dunno how this thread went btw and not going to read everything, but I wish that people can stay civil about it. Just wanted to say that.

    Peace out.

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 12,398

    It is if they are intentionally targeting the PoC for being PoC. Of course, it's very easy for them to feign innocence when accused because there's no reliable way to confirm this, allowing them to slip by under the radar undetected (or even detected, tbh).

  • SunsetSherbetSunsetSherbet Member Posts: 1,292
    edited January 4

    We have people on this forum with shards in the six figures. It's good for people who haven't played a long time. I have zero use for shards at this point. I don't care for any of the shard buyable cosmetics (the ones I like are strangely always cells only) and I have no use for the shrine as I have all perks. The next character will not be buyable with shards, either, and I own all current characters. So it doesn't really do anything for me.

    It should have been cells because YOU CAN'T BUY A BUBBA COSMETIC WITH SHARDS. I am fine with removing the mask but I think the compensation isn't fair and it should have just been 400 cells so people could go buy one of the pay for Bubba masks.

  • MarigoriaMarigoria Member Posts: 4,622

    So, if they don't outright say it, people are just making assumptions. Sure, maybe they are doing that, I wouldn't doubt it, but it's still just an assumption.

    That's the problem I have with it. It's fine to remove things based on assumptions, but when people are targeting minorities, in a very direct way, in chat, a lot don't even get banned, even less perma banned. And I know this because being part of a minority myself and having crossplay off, I see a lot of the same people in my lobbies, and they're still there, even after being reported, with proof.

    I know moderators like to say that they do ban, but from seeing it personally, they do not ban all of them who get reported.

    I feel like it's just a lazy way to deal with the situation, than to actually have to do some work about it, by banning people who bluntly target minority groups in chat.

  • CyberDragoon656CyberDragoon656 Member Posts: 960

    Then why are the more known sources of harassment not being addressed yeah its fine and dandy to have this being dealt with but it's a drop in the bucket compared to more known ones.

  • VeinslayVeinslay Member Posts: 950
    edited January 4

    This has been my experience too. Reported people for calling me the n word and other slurs in the endgame chat and they were still playing a few days later. It's a joke that BHVR is removing a cosmetic when they could just actually moderate the endgame chat or get rid of it and that would make a much more significant impact in cleaning up their community if they were actually interested in doing that. They aren't actually interested in doing that though, they're just caving to Twitter activists because they're a loud obnoxious bunch. In the meantime, us Bubba players are losing a really nice looking cosmetic (seriously, Smartface with the suit from Pretty Woman is one of the best cosmetic combinations in the game)

  • LaluziLaluzi Member Posts: 3,789

    I'm Devotion 7 and I still hunger for shards. You need to have a lot of playtime before you've unlocked every character and every shard outfit on every character that interests you, and even then, they can be converted to bloodpoints, so they're never worthless, just worth less.

    I've already explained why giving cells out isn't a feasible decision on BHVR's part, even if it would serve as a more one-to-one compensation in this case. Ultimately, it's a free cosmetic that's being taken away and I understand that they're not giving paid compensation.

  • ImmersedNurseImmersedNurse Member Posts: 2,719

    No and the fact that your first instinct at a situation like this is to weaponise people's experiences with racism is concerning.

    We're talking about instances of continuous and repeated targetting, harassment and bullying faced by POC content creators.

  • VaJayblesVaJaybles Member Posts: 625

    This thread made me sad.

  • ImmersedNurseImmersedNurse Member Posts: 2,719
    • Asian streamers have also been targeted using Jake's face.
    • You might not mean to come across this way but referring to black people as "the blacks" is really demeaning.
  • Tr1nityTr1nity Member Posts: 4,936


    Bubbas face cosmetics are an unhealthy part of the game that promote tunneling. Just a couple days ago I was playing Meg, and for this, I was tunneled + moried by a bubba. This is blatantly unfair mechanic that makes the overall experience worse.

    I rest my case.

  • ImmersedNurseImmersedNurse Member Posts: 2,719

    I don't think it's unreasonable to disconnect against a character wearing a cosmetic that is an unpleasant reminder of very real and very harmful racism. Even if the LF is just wearing it as a cosmetic and isn't racist, it's still something reminiscent of blackface which I'd imagine is very difficult to see as a black player.

  • BrokenbonesBrokenbones Member Posts: 3,440
  • Tr1nityTr1nity Member Posts: 4,936

    though that actually did happen.

    I would have got out too but my team didn’t open the door.

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