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Is removing Bubba's masks can really prevent the hateful behaviors?

gelukraitgelukrait Member Posts: 168

Firstly, I don't support any hateful or unsportable behaviors ingame. For me, game is the place for getting fun after works.

But I really concern about some points after reading the recent dev notes:

  • Do you really think the BMs can not find other ways to spread the their hatefulness?
  • If I play some killer likes Spirit / Oni / Trickster, should I hook or sacrifice Jack / Feng / Yun-Jin or any Asian related survivors?
  • If I play as Feng / Jack / Claudette / Elodie / Tapp / Adam / Yun-Jin, may I report someone who camped me as racist behavior? Will they get banned?
  • Will I get banned if I miss to mention any PoC or Asian killers or survivors on above points
  • 6000 iri shards compensation, wow, so generous. We literally lost 4 pieces of cosmetic in-game, one piece might cost 400 auric cells. So with 6000 shards, may we buy any single piece of Bubba's cosmetic as a COMPENSATION? And hold on, can we use iri shard to purchase license content?

Tbh, I think the report system is the first thing which should be improved than any other.

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  • CyberDragoon656CyberDragoon656 Member Posts: 960

    Easy way to answer this is how many people knew this was a thing? However, this will not prevent hateful behavior at all since the people who do it will still do it and there's still no meaningful report system to curve the problem. Also, I don't know why but the actual toxic behavior is being defended when you got people saying "just don't let it get to you" and such.

  • BenihimeWrathBenihimeWrath Member Posts: 968

    I'll be honest, I've never seen a single one of the earnable bubba cosmetics, ever in my whole time playing.

    I strongly question anybody that says they've run into 'so many' bubbas wearing claudette's face to be racist.

  • KharKhar Member Posts: 640

    It's weird that BHVR punishes everyone for the actions of a few racists.

  • gelukraitgelukrait Member Posts: 168

    I got your point, but:

    • Cosmetics do not have any impact in term of gameplay, the BM can not take advantage to do a racist behavior.
    • As my first PoV, there always will be a way for them to continue their hateful behaviors.
    • Please don't suggest us to cut-off metaphor content that being used to spread BM's hatefulness.
    • So which one should be cut out of the game next? All killers and survivors in different races?
  • BenihimeWrathBenihimeWrath Member Posts: 968

    This is sound reasoning and all, but where does it end? If it continues happening, are you going to go to all the stores in your area and demand they stop selling eggs? Go to all the farmers where the eggs come from and tell them to start raising other animals?

    You can't ever stop these things in their entirety and all you do by removing things like this is show them that what they were doing really bothered you. So then they'll KEEP doing it. By any avenues left to them, and likely more vehemently than ever. Nothing infuriates people like this more than your indifference.

  • GeneralVGeneralV Member Posts: 7,888

    Nope.

  • TrevizeTrevize Member Posts: 27
    edited January 4

    Thanks they don't remove Leatherface.

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 12,810
  • AlsoArrowAlsoArrow Member Posts: 348

    Going through this point by point:

    "Do you really think the BMs can not find other ways to spread the their hatefulness?"

    • Some will be discouraged by it and some won't. Those who continue to harass others may find other ways to do it. Although, removing the masks has made it harder for them to do so and has removed something that has proven to be very harmful to POC. Racists will have to be more obvious about it now, making it easier to catch them and prove it. The main aims of the removal of Leatherface's masks was to take away a tool that racists used to hurt others and to help POC feel comfortable while playing Dead by Daylight.

    "If I play some killer likes Spirit / Oni / Trickster, should I hook or sacrifice Jack / Feng / Yun-Jin or any Asian related survivors?

    • You should continue to play the game as you normally would. You're not going to be seen as racist unless you go out of your way to only hurt and harass Asian people. Often it was a combination of in-game and out-of-game harassment via the use of stream sniping, hateful messages and names, facecamping and tunnelling.

    "If I play as Feng / Jack / Claudette / Elodie / Tapp / Adam / Yun-Jin, may I report someone who camped me as racist behavior? Will they get banned?"

    • You should only be reporting people if you know/suspect that they're were doing it with racist intentions. If they're camping everyone, only camping because they didn't play well or camping you during endgame it is likely that they're not being racist.

    "Will I get banned if I miss to mention any PoC or Asian killers or survivors on above points"

    • I'm not sure what you mean here but hopefully I have answered your question with my previous points.

    "6000 iri shards compensation, wow, so generous. We literally lost 4 pieces of cosmetic in-game, one piece might cost 400 auric cells. So with 6000 shards, may we buy any single piece of Bubba's cosmetic as a COMPENSATION? And hold on, can we use iri shard to purchase license content?"

    • I'm personally not bothered about the compensation that was given out as I never cared for the cosmetics anyways but I have seen other people say that they would have preferred Auric Cells as well.

    I also agree that the report system could use improvements but I believe that the removal of the masks was a great decision and a step in the right direction.

  • White_OwlWhite_Owl Member Posts: 3,763

     I think the report system is the first thing which should be improved than any other.

    This. Racists will still be racists, but they'd have to do it elsewhere is they were banned. Leave Bubba's masks alone!

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 12,810

    What do you do when lots of people are throwing eggs from your basket to your house nonstop?

  • Ghastly247Ghastly247 Member Posts: 16


    That is not a solution. Hell, it can't even be considered a band-aid. BHVR effectively did 2 things:

    1) give more power to the racists/trolls because they got what they wanted....a reaction.

    2) hurt the enitre community instead of targeting the very small percentage of players that act like a-holes.

    If you think this is somehow a positive, you are diluted. These players will still be racists/trolls, BHVR hasn't addressed or fixed anything.

  • SaitamfedSaitamfed Member Posts: 1,565

    Throwing eggs? That sounds so... "American"? Anyway, bad analogy and I am sure it's a falacy, since you can't remove every egg basket nor will avoid the harmful behaviour... And to the topic at hand, no one harass anyone with the LF masks. If you've earn one of those by killing 25 survivors. Won't you be proud of it and display it? They're removing them because some people believes it's blackface which is not. And I've seen their statements of "perhaps behaviour don't know since they're canadian but in US history" and yadda yadda but people have harmed people all across the world, and yes, racism of black people towards white people do exist, and it's on the history books if you really like history. Saying about US history and taking the black slavery times is being an ignorant of worldwide history and feeling special because you know a single fact about history.

  • MarigoriaMarigoria Member Posts: 6,090

    I have 5k hours and I've seen it like 20 times at best.

  • MarigoriaMarigoria Member Posts: 6,090

    Isnt end game chat also a tool for racist behavior though? Why does it have such a crappy censure system that doesnt work half the time?

  • LaluziLaluzi Member Posts: 5,427

    I'm not really interested in pursuing this metaphor, as I don't think it reflects the situation at hand. When it was nonstop, it was the acts of a few people at most repeatedly targeting the same player. The number of players who used Smartface to harass are an extremely small portion of the playerbase who had a disproportionate effect because they were not dealt with in a timely manner.

    If we are going to keep going with this metaphor, I'd still say arrest the people, because eggs are important foodstuffs and necessary to bake so many things, and I want them as food more than I don't want them as tools of harassment; eggs bring more good to the table than they bring bad. Banning eggs because people have been egged is silly. That said, I consider eggs more important than Bubba cosmetics and this whole thing falls apart really quickly.

    Still... I maintain that the issue is the people, not the vehicle. Removing Smartface did nothing to stop the people who want to be racist twats from being racist twats, and they are still going to be racist twats until BHVR addresses the real problem in this room and cobbles together a moderation system that doesn't operate on spit, triplicate, and month-long backlogs.

  • AlsoArrowAlsoArrow Member Posts: 348

    I personally don't understand anyone who would choose to not believe someone just because your personal experiences are different.

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 12,810

    "The number of players who used Smartface to harass are an extremely small portion of the playerbase who had a disproportionate effect because they were not dealt with in a timely manner."


    Based on what information?

  • AlsoArrowAlsoArrow Member Posts: 348

    Precisely! This very well explained and gets right to the point.

  • ThiccBudhhaThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,988

    That would require them to actually review reports. This is easier.

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