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How many solo survivors do not want to use voice communications?

I keep reading on this forum that

  • one way to balance this game is to add voice communication for everyone.

  • it is impossible to remove SWF at this point because this would hurt the player base.

But how big is actually the player base who does enjoy queuing up as solo players for a quick, casual and hopefully fun game that does not require you to talk to strangers.?


Personally after a long day I do not want to talk to others during a game.
I enjoy playing with others but I do not want to be forced to endure the random noises of background music, high pitched teenage boys, swearing and other offensive language of random people.

If the argument is that removing SWF is going to hurt the player base then a similar argument can be made that at this point including open voice communication is also going to hurt the player base.


When designing a game it may help to have a clear idea what kind of audience you want to attract beforehand and advertise it accordingly.

Is the game intended for

  • hard core gamers and their friends that organize their games over voice communication

  • casual players who want to have fun playing with random strangers

?

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  • MalakirMalakir Member Posts: 799
    Swf its mean to be in the game. How many online games don't let you play with friends in 2018? Answer this and anyone could see why it won't be removed

    About hardcore or casuals I think, my personal opinion BTW, the Devs don't know either. Was meant to be just for fun but they didn't expect this game would've become so popular so they tried to make it more competitive but at the same time keeping the casual play too. They are stuck in the middle and don't know which direction take, that's what I think its happening. They might be afraid of become more competitive would be less fun which is wrong, just look overwatch or league. These two games have big flaws but also competitive and if you want to play it casually you can ( normally modes )

    That's what I think its happening but its just an opinion based on live streams and patch notes. I might be wrong easily

    back to the topic I won't have a in-game voice. I'm a solo survivor, when a group invited me cuz "I was good" as they said (big lie BTW) I felt terrible. Was disgusting easy and I play with my friend but with him its just to chill, with these groups in the other hand... Felt wrong, every single thing happening in the map, I knew it by doing gens. plus if they implement that I would just insult my mates for half of the time for some reasons:

    They farm me? I'll flame
    They are literally doing nothing but walking like zombies when I'm hooked instead of doing gens, I'll flame
    They bring the killer to me, same thing

    As solo the most scary enemy isn't the killer but your mates. If they introduce in game coma might be slightly bettertelling then what to do. In the other hand might lead in a toxic environment, yeah I would be part of it. Its just frustrating see 3men croutching around when the killer is patrolling you instead of doing gen.

    Sadly those kind of people are the one saying camping is cheap in the forum when they don't even try to do gens and farm your ass..
  • rharha Member Posts: 140
    I don’t want voice comms for solo survivors, I want a better matchmaking that allows me to play with other players about my skill level. That’s mainly what keeps me from enjoying survivor currently (besides that the game has turned into one big healing simulator). A good solo group can actually do pretty well without comms, but I always get those making dumb plays.

    Besides that without comms I can maintain my illusion that I am playing with nice and friendly people, one more thing that many people forget, here in Europe you have many different languages spoken, if you are matched to, say, a Russian 3SWF as a German there’s probably zero chance they’ll bother switching to English just because of you.
  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 7,071

    @Tsulan said:
    powerbats said:

    Most solo q players aren't going to voice comm since it just opens them up to harassment and it's better to just add kindred base etc. That way once they're on par with swf killers can be buffed to that level.

    Look at our community. Do you really think the devs could buff killers after giving survivors kindred?

    Killers will get a mini buff at most. Everything else would result in another review bomb.

    Again with the falsehoods, the review bomb wasn't due to the patch for the most part as I already posted the info for. It was mostly due to the server issues and especially the console server issues.

    You can add in all the ochido posters who only posted because he got banned and told them to review bomb.

  • TsulanTsulan Member Posts: 5,453
    Oh no, i don't need 11 yea old Ochido fans screaming into the mic all day.
    Wolf74 said:

    I have no intrest in getting yelled at in russian. or French.

    Other games solved that by adding a mute button. 
  • GicheGiche Member Posts: 753

    @Tsulan said:

    Don't forget the people that opened threads about Freddy being good and that he doesn't need a rework. 

    Yeah I'm kinda pessimistic about killer buffs.

    No worries he didn't forgot it.

    He was actively siding with this lobby in this exact thread.

    You shouldn't forget.

  • steezo_desteezo_de Member Posts: 483

    @lindechene said:
    I keep reading on this forum that

    • one way to balance this game is to add voice communication for everyone.

    • it is impossible to remove SWF at this point because this would hurt the player base.

    But how big is actually the player base who does enjoy queuing up as solo players for a quick, casual and hopefully fun game that does not require you to talk to strangers.?


    Personally after a long day I do not want to talk to others during a game.
    I enjoy playing with others but I do not want to be forced to endure the random noises of background music, high pitched teenage boys, swearing and other offensive language of random people.

    If the argument is that removing SWF is going to hurt the player base then a similar argument can be made that at this point including open voice communication is also going to hurt the player base.


    When designing a game it may help to have a clear idea what kind of audience you want to attract beforehand and advertise it accordingly.

    Is the game intended for

    • hard core gamers and their friends that organize their games over voice communication

    • casual players who want to have fun playing with random strangers

    ?

    I use comms with people I know. I wouldn't use it for random 10 minute mixes.

  • ChiChi Member Posts: 773

    No, I get pissed off by randoms without comms. Imagine having comms, and the randoms still farming you. The raaaaaage. The cussing! No thanks lol.

  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 7,071

    @Giche said:

    @Tsulan said:

    Don't forget the people that opened threads about Freddy being good and that he doesn't need a rework. 

    Yeah I'm kinda pessimistic about killer buffs.

    No worries he didn't forgot it.

    He was actively siding with this lobby in this exact thread.

    You shouldn't forget.

    Oh yes the logical fallacies fail you yet again, I didn't forget it since it'd already been addressed but you totally ignored my point because it negated yours.

    Also I'm a killer main currently so again epic fail on your part, but you keep on throwing out nonsense to try and discredit me.

  • MalakirMalakir Member Posts: 799
    @Giche @Tsulan @powerbats
    Can we not? Why are we talking about random things like freddys needs in this thread?

    I agree with power bats about no implementing voice coms in game but it would happen anyway. At least I won't listen strangers

    Let's stop going that far off topic can we?
    Tsulan stop doing these posts in every contest, I get it you want to get more killer buffs. I won't bring my points here and start debating as well as you shouldn't since this thread is about thoughts on ingame voice com
  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 7,071

    @Malakir apologies for that but back on subject I think most people will avoid it solo wise similar to what happened when other companies have done it. As far as muting argument goes that's a logical fallacy and a cheap deflection since you shouldn't have to mute someone in the 1st place.

    If you get to the point of having to mute them the damage is already done and quite likely they'll sandbag you and the rest of the team.

  • DocOctoberDocOctober Member Posts: 2,230

    I don't want voice communication either.

  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 7,071

    As @Wolf74 said about getting yelled at in foreign languages, it's bad enough in your native tongue and I've had more than enough in multiple languages. I've even turned down invite offers of getting into VC with strangers in lobbies since it never ends well.

  • GicheGiche Member Posts: 753
    edited November 2018

    @powerbats said:

    Oh yes the logical fallacies fail you yet again, I didn't forget it since it'd already been addressed but you totally ignored my point because it negated yours.

    Also I'm a killer main currently so again epic fail on your part, but you keep on throwing out nonsense to try and discredit me.

    ...Or peoples could read by themselves and make their own opinion :

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/18218/man-for-people-thinking-freddy-is-bad/p1

    To keep things in perspective when talking with you about balance.

    @Malakir

    I'm gonna stop now, but i disagree with you on one thing : It totally is on the topic.

    Like Tsulan explained, this mindset allowed to keep Infinites 8 months before being finally fixed.

    The pallet vaccum took them 2 years.

    Cancerous meta and sketchy mechanics like the Hatch still not fixed.

    No debuff of any kind for SWF. While they get some aura perks for free and the possibility of insane coordinations. Basically the peoples harshly defending the actual state of it want the advantages without a bit of drawback to balance it.

    The list goes on.

    Post edited by Giche on
  • MalakirMalakir Member Posts: 799
    Giche said:

    @powerbats said:

    Oh yes the logical fallacies fail you yet again, I didn't forget it since it'd already been addressed but you totally ignored my point because it negated yours.

    Also I'm a killer main currently so again epic fail on your part, but you keep on throwing out nonsense to try and discredit me.

    ...Or peoples could read by themselves and make their own opinion :

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/18218/man-for-people-thinking-freddy-is-bad/p1

    To keep things in perspective when talking with you about balance.

    @Malakir

    I'm gonna stop now, but i disagree with you on one thing : It totally is on the topic.

    Like Tsulan explained, this mindset allowed to keep Infinites 8 months before being finally fixed.

    The pallet vaccum took them 2 years.

    Cancerous meta and squetchy mechanics like the Hatch still not fixed.

    No debuff of any kind for SWF. While they get some aura perks for free and the possibility of insane coordinations. Basically the peoples harshly defending the actual state of it want the advantages without a bit of drawback to balance it.

    The list goes on.

    yeah I agree with you for these issues and I advocate for them too but.. What does have anything to do with the thread core subject? In game voice com
  • EightEight Member Posts: 513

    Sorry, I don't want to talk to a load of kids online. If it ever becomes a requirement, I'm out of here.

    I'm not a huge fan of multiplayer online games in general. For some reason I got into DbD though.

  • ChesterTheMolesterChesterTheMolester Member Posts: 2,771
    edited November 2018
    powerbats said:

    @Giche said:

    @Tsulan said:

    Don't forget the people that opened threads about Freddy being good and that he doesn't need a rework. 

    Yeah I'm kinda pessimistic about killer buffs.

    No worries he didn't forgot it.

    He was actively siding with this lobby in this exact thread.

    You shouldn't forget.

    Oh yes the logical fallacies fail you yet again, I didn't forget it since it'd already been addressed but you totally ignored my point because it negated yours.

    Also I'm a killer main currently so again epic fail on your part, but you keep on throwing out nonsense to try and discredit me.

    "Freddy is like Nurse with a higher skillcap, everything i disagree with is a logical fallacy"
    -Powerbats


  • GicheGiche Member Posts: 753

    @ChesterTheMolester

    Thanks, i was too lazy to screen it.

    The link is above for the complete experience.

  • Rebel_RavenRebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,654
    My biggest issue is how are they really going to balance around it?
    Make it limited range? It will just encourage third party chat for unlimited range.
    Making notifications when people use it? Same.

    How do you balance when the team can regularly broadcast your position, and be long gone by then time you get there?

    Personally, I wouldn't use it. I hate talking. I'm sure I'd hate listening to other people, too. Some bossy crap telling me how to play, or demanding some meta [BAD WORD].
  • MalakirMalakir Member Posts: 799

    @Giche @ChesterTheMolester
    Its so funny how much effort you guys put to disproof or shame (trying to at least) someone for an opinion and saying unrelated stuff and ignoring answers that point this out. Just Hilarious!

    Like comparing mortal kombat to dbd is dumb since its an asymmetrical game, explaining the voice com problem then proceed to list OTHERS DbD problems to prove his point (?)
    If you would've put the same effort using that weird thing called brain and think before typing, that would be GREAT!

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 12,876

    Since I'm usually streaming when I play this, I think it'd just make it more annoying for everyone else.

  • ChesterTheMolesterChesterTheMolester Member Posts: 2,771
    edited November 2018
    Malakir said:

    @Giche @ChesterTheMolester
    Its so funny how much effort you guys put to disproof or shame (trying to at least) someone for an opinion and saying unrelated stuff and ignoring answers that point this out. Just Hilarious!

    Like comparing mortal kombat to dbd is dumb since its an asymmetrical game, explaining the voice com problem then proceed to list OTHERS DbD problems to prove his point (?)
    If you would've put the same effort using that weird thing called brain and think before typing, that would be GREAT!

    Sorry officer but we all know its not going to be popular and will probably never get it in the game, and the chance that a Dev will answer this thread is lower than finding a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.

    In addition i did not compare the DBD to other games in this thread and neither did @Giche

    And we weren't shaming Bats for his opinion, we called out and made fun of his dishonesty, its clear that he bets on people being to lazy or stupid to realize that he lies.
  • GicheGiche Member Posts: 753

    @Malakir

    @ChesterTheMolester said:

    And we weren't shaming Bats for his opinion, we called out and made fun of his dishonesty, its clear that he bets on people being to lazy or stupid to realize that he lies.

    Print this in your mind, it will help you to take things in perspective while speaking in this forum.

    It apply to a lot of peoples down here sadly.

  • MalakirMalakir Member Posts: 799
    Malakir said:

    @Giche @ChesterTheMolester
    Its so funny how much effort you guys put to disproof or shame (trying to at least) someone for an opinion and saying unrelated stuff and ignoring answers that point this out. Just Hilarious!

    Like comparing mortal kombat to dbd is dumb since its an asymmetrical game, explaining the voice com problem then proceed to list OTHERS DbD problems to prove his point (?)
    If you would've put the same effort using that weird thing called brain and think before typing, that would be GREAT!

    Sorry officer but we all know its not going to be popular and will probably never get it in the game, and the chance that a Dev will answer this thread is lower than finding a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.

    In addition i did not compare the DBD to other games in this thread and neither did @Giche

    And we weren't shaming Bats for his opinion, we called out and made fun of his dishonesty, its clear that he bets on people being to lazy or stupid to realize that he lies.
    My bad, it was another stupid guy with biased opinion like you. Y'kno sometimes its hard to tell the difference since you guys look the same. Stupid
  • MalakirMalakir Member Posts: 799
    Giche said:

    @Malakir

    @ChesterTheMolester said:

    And we weren't shaming Bats for his opinion, we called out and made fun of his dishonesty, its clear that he bets on people being to lazy or stupid to realize that he lies.

    Print this in your mind, it will help you to take things in perspective while speaking in this forum.

    It apply to a lot of peoples down here sadly.

    Yeah then if you wish I could do that same. I'll take a dumb comment of yours apply it here. I think would be fun ^^
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