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please stop the bbq is still ok after the nerf

i get it a lot of people are complaining that bbq is still useful because of the bloodpoints but heres the facts even though you dont NEED the aura reading it will be heavily missed and will impact more than you might think just because we 100% blood points doesn't mean we need to run it so please stop saying bbq is still fine its not the auras were really convenient and lets face it all of us has at least on story where the auras revealed by bbq and chili saved your game the only reason we ran the perk because it gave decent auras with a lot of points but if you were to remove one of those ability's then the perk falls apart

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  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,205
    edited December 2018

    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @Blueberry said:
    It is a pretty over the top nerf, the locker effect should at least be baked into Distortion so it requires them to use a perk for it.

    That said, the change in general is bad for the health of the game. I always leave hooks for a BBQ target unless i literally see someone or scratch marks right by the hook. After this change it's going to be very likely it shows no one and I'm going to assume it's because they are by the hook and not leave. This change literally discourages me from playing a way that is more fun for everyone. It's going to backfire a lot when camping goes up even more.

    exactly all these threads about how bbq is still ok i cant stand

  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,205

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    I see it as time to stand up, maybe stretch a bit. I might even get something to eat/drink quickly and hope they dont unhook in the meantime :smile:

  • Rebel_RavenRebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,776
    Distortion would block BBQ for 3 of the 4 hooks people try to get for the blood points.

    Let's be real. The point of bbq is to show killers where far off targets are to entice them to go after those to get more hooks to get more points, and help people get off the hook.
    Also maybe clue them in if there is a survivor near by via the blind spot. 
    Using distortion to block the aura reading falsely indicates that someone is near the hooked survivor when they aren't.
    People near a hooked survivor are going in for the save.
    Killers do not want to give people free unhooks.
    So they stay near the hooked person to catch the person who isn't there and thus "camp" either hard camp, or patrol.
  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    I see it as time to stand up, maybe stretch a bit. I might even get something to eat/drink quickly and hope they dont unhook in the meantime :smile:

    i wouldnt risk that survivors are way too altruistic one of my angriest moments was when the gates were open but i sprinted in and chainsawed someone then hooked them then i got a message i stand in front of the body and check my phone then i hear an unhook i swing and borrowed time both escape i was sooooo mad

  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    Distortion would block BBQ for 3 of the 4 hooks people try to get for the blood points.

    Let's be real. The point of bbq is to show killers where far off targets are to entice them to go after those to get more hooks to get more points, and help people get off the hook.
    Also maybe clue them in if there is a survivor near by via the blind spot. 
    Using distortion to block the aura reading falsely indicates that someone is near the hooked survivor when they aren't.
    People near a hooked survivor are going in for the save.
    Killers do not want to give people free unhooks.
    So they stay near the hooked person to catch the person who isn't there and thus "camp" either hard camp, or patrol.

    and thats where the problem lies

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,205

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    I see it as time to stand up, maybe stretch a bit. I might even get something to eat/drink quickly and hope they dont unhook in the meantime :smile:

    i wouldnt risk that survivors are way too altruistic one of my angriest moments was when the gates were open but i sprinted in and chainsawed someone then hooked them then i got a message i stand in front of the body and check my phone then i hear an unhook i swing and borrowed time both escape i was sooooo mad

    Sure if it is that particular annoying SWF, then I will stare at the screen and doing my best not to let them escape (or at least one of them :smile: )

    But now with the aura changes, if I dont see anyone in BBQ..... well time to fill up my water I guess :smile:

  • strikingearth26strikingearth26 Member Posts: 30

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    I see it as time to stand up, maybe stretch a bit. I might even get something to eat/drink quickly and hope they dont unhook in the meantime :smile:

    i wouldnt risk that survivors are way too altruistic one of my angriest moments was when the gates were open but i sprinted in and chainsawed someone then hooked them then i got a message i stand in front of the body and check my phone then i hear an unhook i swing and borrowed time both escape i was sooooo mad

    Sure if it is that particular annoying SWF, then I will stare at the screen and doing my best not to let them escape (or at least one of them :smile: )

    But now with the aura changes, if I dont see anyone in BBQ..... well time to fill up my water I guess :smile:

    yeah the worst thing about playing on ps4 is theyre buddys will spam you with notifications so you miss out on important sound cues

  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    actually as soon as they see someone downed thats exactly what they will do

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,205

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    I see it as time to stand up, maybe stretch a bit. I might even get something to eat/drink quickly and hope they dont unhook in the meantime :smile:

    i wouldnt risk that survivors are way too altruistic one of my angriest moments was when the gates were open but i sprinted in and chainsawed someone then hooked them then i got a message i stand in front of the body and check my phone then i hear an unhook i swing and borrowed time both escape i was sooooo mad

    Sure if it is that particular annoying SWF, then I will stare at the screen and doing my best not to let them escape (or at least one of them :smile: )

    But now with the aura changes, if I dont see anyone in BBQ..... well time to fill up my water I guess :smile:

    yeah the worst thing about playing on ps4 is theyre buddys will spam you with notifications so you miss out on important sound cues

    In such games I either quit or "facecamp" with muted sound and music :smile:

  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:
    I mean, I dont give a damn if survivors cry a lil more about camping :sarcastic:

    You should be careful with your wishes, because just like the easy pips, your wishes will disadvantage you in the end too^^

    yeah but evne then who actually ENJOYS camping no one not even the killers not even the toxic ltherfaces no one actually derives enjoyment maybe pleasure but just that

    I see it as time to stand up, maybe stretch a bit. I might even get something to eat/drink quickly and hope they dont unhook in the meantime :smile:

    i wouldnt risk that survivors are way too altruistic one of my angriest moments was when the gates were open but i sprinted in and chainsawed someone then hooked them then i got a message i stand in front of the body and check my phone then i hear an unhook i swing and borrowed time both escape i was sooooo mad

    Sure if it is that particular annoying SWF, then I will stare at the screen and doing my best not to let them escape (or at least one of them :smile: )

    But now with the aura changes, if I dont see anyone in BBQ..... well time to fill up my water I guess :smile:

    yeah the worst thing about playing on ps4 is theyre buddys will spam you with notifications so you miss out on important sound cues

    In such games I either quit or "facecamp" with muted sound and music :smile:

    pretty much i like to stick around rank 8 to 10 because thats were i find the friendly survivors rank one just isnt fun

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,205

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Sure, but dont forget that there is this new perk that disables auras too.

    In the end, the BBQ aura is supposed to be incentive not to camp. I can play without it too, but dont cry if I assume that you are swarming the hook if noone lights up in my BBQ :wink:

  • Rebel_RavenRebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,776

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

    I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.
  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @Master said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Sure, but dont forget that there is this new perk that disables auras too.

    In the end, the BBQ aura is supposed to be incentive not to camp. I can play without it too, but dont cry if I assume that you are swarming the hook if noone lights up in my BBQ :wink:

    exactly if any survivor complains about camping i will simply say isnt this what you wanted? innocently

  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

    I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    yet another glaring issue these new survoor perks what were they thinking?

  • FreudentraumaFreudentrauma Member Posts: 917

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Survivors can also hide behind a gen or if possible try to get within 40m to avoid it like they are already doing. The sum of possible conters is, why this change will negatively affect BBQ. After this BBQ will most likely lose it's entire concept of giving you an overview over the entire game situation. An aspect a killer always benefits from.

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,205

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Sure, but dont forget that there is this new perk that disables auras too.

    In the end, the BBQ aura is supposed to be incentive not to camp. I can play without it too, but dont cry if I assume that you are swarming the hook if noone lights up in my BBQ :wink:

    exactly if any survivor complains about camping i will simply say isnt this what you wanted? innocently

    Just like when the complain about slugging after they decided to break my hooks :lol:

  • strikingearth26strikingearth26 Member Posts: 30

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

    I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...
    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @Master said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Master said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Sure, but dont forget that there is this new perk that disables auras too.

    In the end, the BBQ aura is supposed to be incentive not to camp. I can play without it too, but dont cry if I assume that you are swarming the hook if noone lights up in my BBQ :wink:

    exactly if any survivor complains about camping i will simply say isnt this what you wanted? innocently

    Just like when the complain about slugging after they decided to break my hooks :lol:

    yup we are forced to run hangmans trick now and whats that? you dont have it well you better spend 5$ just so you can play that seeems FAIR

  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @Freudentrauma said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Survivors can also hide behind a gen or if possible try to get within 40m to avoid it like they are already doing. The sum of possible conters is, why this change will negatively affect BBQ. After this BBQ will most likely lose it's entire concept of giving you an overview over the entire game situation. An aspect a killer always benefits from.

    exactly im so sick of the well you still get 100% bloodpoint argument Who cares? we lose the aura reading that we all have bbeen saved from humilation because of it?

  • strikingearth26strikingearth26 Member Posts: 30

    Slugging is still a strat. boring yes, but works.

  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @strikingearth26 said:

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

    I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...
    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

    nope only nes who stand you need deersatalker for the latter

  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @strikingearth26 said:
    Slugging is still a strat. boring yes, but works.

    but why should we be forced to play a boring style dont we deserve to have fun too?

  • strikingearth26strikingearth26 Member Posts: 30

    @Freudentrauma said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Survivors can also hide behind a gen or if possible try to get within 40m to avoid it like they are already doing. The sum of possible conters is, why this change will negatively affect BBQ. After this BBQ will most likely lose it's entire concept of giving you an overview over the entire game situation. An aspect a killer always benefits from.

    hiding behind a gen doesnt work, as any killer can tell you, the gen and survivor auras are different colours so you can still see them.
    Also if people are relying on this 1 perk to 'sasve them' then they need to challenge themselves to get better at the game.
    I've been in games where the killer DID NOT run BBQ and chilli and still annihilated us. Proves it is NOT needed to get a 4k.

  • friendlykillermainfriendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,166

    @strikingearth26 said:

    @Freudentrauma said:

    @strikingearth26 said:
    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    Survivors can also hide behind a gen or if possible try to get within 40m to avoid it like they are already doing. The sum of possible conters is, why this change will negatively affect BBQ. After this BBQ will most likely lose it's entire concept of giving you an overview over the entire game situation. An aspect a killer always benefits from.

    hiding behind a gen doesnt work, as any killer can tell you, the gen and survivor auras are different colours so you can still see them.
    Also if people are relying on this 1 perk to 'sasve them' then they need to challenge themselves to get better at the game.
    I've been in games where the killer DID NOT run BBQ and chilli and still annihilated us. Proves it is NOT needed to get a 4k.

    pf course you dont NEED It but it still is a very effecient tool

  • Rebel_RavenRebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,776

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    strikingearth26 said:

    just because lockers can block auras, does not mean that every single survivor will either 1, think to jump in a locker, or 2, be close enough to a locker to get in one in time for the killer hooking another survivor. agreed the more 'stealthy' survivors will be aware of whats going on and most likely want to hide their aura in a locker, but there are so many survivors who wont. Let it play out and see for yourself.

    I'd think survivors are aware of the health status of their comrades at all times since it's shown in the HUD, and on screen.

    I'd say between the indications of when a comrade is injured, then dying, the aura of them on the ground shows up, the aura when they get picked up, and the time to the hook is enough time to find a locker, get in, wait 4 or 5 seconds after the hook, then exit.

    Or they could run distortion which blocks BBQ entirely 3 times.

    depends, if a player is grabbed off a gen or totem or vaulting etc... we don't get that info, unless we have bond or empathy (or the new perk in ptb) also if killer has knock out we dont get the aura of where that survivor is downed...
    And.. some survivors do seem oblivious.. I play solo, and the amount of others who would rather leave you to bleed out than attempt to save you is ridiculous. Also bbq and chilli works on slugged survivors...

    You do get that info, though. The grabbed survivor shows up in dying state on the HUD.
    If they have knockout, the HUD still shows the health. I don't know if knockout shows the falling animation aura or not.

    I play solo exclusively. The chaos of not knowing what your comrades will do is interesting. Some are oblivious, yes. Some stay focused on the task at hand if they feel someone else will rescue or they have time to get a gen done before you struggle. 

    Yeah, I suspect there is going to be a lot of slug plays once all this goes public. But survivors have at least 1 perk that let's them get back up.
  • RaccoonRaccoon Member Posts: 3,791
    edited December 2018

    I don't see the issue.

    No aura = Camp the survivor out of the game as it is about the same timewise as searching, winning a chase, and hooking another.

    Fair change, imo.

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