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Why Decisive Strike Isn't OP

ReneAenslandReneAensland Member Posts: 838
edited December 2018 in General Discussions

I've never understood the complaining. These were Rank 1 Survivors.
4th perk is optional. Enduring is the way to go.

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  • ReneAenslandReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    @Blueberry said:
    Watching a bad situation DS moment along with a survivor being stupid doesn't show us anything. Enduring had nothing to do with the outcome there either.

    No, no, no....you can't say that.
    If you say every time someone downs is because it was situational, then that isn't the perks problem, it's the crappy player or the crappy survivors.
    The perk itself isn't a problem.

  • PhantomMask20763PhantomMask20763 Member Posts: 5,182
    edited December 2018
    If the survivor was smarter she would've ran to the window and looped around that pallet fir a while therefore prolonging the chase. However at that point it didnt really matter as 1 was already dead
  • ReneAenslandReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    @PhantomMask20763 said:
    If the survivor was smarter she would've ran to the window and looped around that pallet fir a while therefore prolonging the chase. However at that point it didnt really matter as 1 was already dead

    Then it isn't the perks problem.
    As you can see, the perk was used against me AND the outcome was to my favor.

  • BlueberryBlueberry Member Posts: 6,292

    @ReneAensland said:

    @Blueberry said:
    Watching a bad situation DS moment along with a survivor being stupid doesn't show us anything. Enduring had nothing to do with the outcome there either.

    No, no, no....you can't say that.
    If you say every time someone downs is because it was situational, then that isn't the perks problem, it's the crappy player or the crappy survivors.
    The perk itself isn't a problem.

    If we assume both the killer and survivor are playing optimally and it's abusable to where it's an issue, that is how we know it's a problem. We don't balance things with the assumption of people being stupid. The perk didn't help him because he played that in a stupid way, a survivor not playing dumb would have got away there and looped you for a while.

  • BlueberryBlueberry Member Posts: 6,292

    @ReneAensland said:

    @PhantomMask20763 said:
    If the survivor was smarter she would've ran to the window and looped around that pallet fir a while therefore prolonging the chase. However at that point it didnt really matter as 1 was already dead

    Then it isn't the perks problem.
    As you can see, the perk was used against me AND the outcome was to my favor.

    Because he was dumb, not because the perk isn't broken.

  • HellDescentHellDescent Member Posts: 3,403

    I see a clueless survivor who didn't go for a window or a pallet and then ran back and forth because he couldn't decide which way he should go, therefore didn't waste any of your time

  • HellDescentHellDescent Member Posts: 3,403

    1 ds is not such a big deal, more then one is, mostly because you don't know that they have it

  • ChesterTheMolesterChesterTheMolester Member Posts: 2,771
    If all survivors are willing to unquestionably equip Small Game to deal with NOED, Distortion for BBQ, Unbreakable against slugging and BT against camping and tunneling without exception then we perhaps can consider that equiping Enduring to deal with 1 of 16 Surv perks is something that somewhat resembles an argument when looked at through very thick fog, by a blind person.

    If not, you are just hypocrits and i will dismiss you like that.
  • Warlock_2020Warlock_2020 Member Posts: 1,868

    DS is a wasted perk as a survivor. I never run it. As a killer, which I play 70% of the time, DS does not bother me that much. Maybe if all 4 have it and are good at hitting it, sure, but 1-2 having it is a joke. I like the wasted perk slot.

  • IhatelifeIhatelife Member Posts: 4,352

    And the killers still complains about the BT change XDDDD

  • ReneAenslandReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    @ChesterTheMolester said:
    If all survivors are willing to unquestionably equip Small Game to deal with NOED, Distortion for BBQ, Unbreakable against slugging and BT against camping and tunneling without exception then we perhaps can consider that equiping Enduring to deal with 1 of 16 Surv perks is something that somewhat resembles an argument when looked at through very thick fog, by a blind person.

    If not, you are just hypocrites* and i will dismiss you like that.

    Fixed.

  • Warlock_2020Warlock_2020 Member Posts: 1,868

    @ReneAensland said:

    @ChesterTheMolester said:
    If all survivors are willing to unquestionably equip Small Game to deal with NOED, Distortion for BBQ, Unbreakable against slugging and BT against camping and tunneling without exception then we perhaps can consider that equiping Enduring to deal with 1 of 16 Surv perks is something that somewhat resembles an argument when looked at through very thick fog, by a blind person.

    If not, you are just hypocrites* and i will dismiss you like that.

    Fixed.

    Total falacy of logic. Enduring is something I love running and I am not doing it for DS. Enduring is great for stuns in general. You are talking about having survivors run 4 perks to specifically counter gameplay, yet you make a weak comparison with Enduring? lol

    DS should be limited to one person per match. That is how you fix it. That, or make it so anyone with DS merely slows the killer's movement by 20% when being carried. Means you hit a hamstring or something. Fixed.

  • ReneAenslandReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    @Warlock_2020 said:

    @ReneAensland said:

    @ChesterTheMolester said:
    If all survivors are willing to unquestionably equip Small Game to deal with NOED, Distortion for BBQ, Unbreakable against slugging and BT against camping and tunneling without exception then we perhaps can consider that equiping Enduring to deal with 1 of 16 Surv perks is something that somewhat resembles an argument when looked at through very thick fog, by a blind person.

    If not, you are just hypocrites* and i will dismiss you like that.

    Fixed.

    Total falacy of logic. Enduring is something I love running and I am not doing it for DS. Enduring is great for stuns in general. You are talking about having survivors run 4 perks to specifically counter gameplay, yet you make a weak comparison with Enduring? lol

    DS should be limited to one person per match. That is how you fix it. That, or make it so anyone with DS merely slows the killer's movement by 20% when being carried. Means you hit a hamstring or something. Fixed.

    Flawed logic. In a 4 man Solo Play, who and what decides only 1 person can carry DS? And why would that be fair?
    Enduring stuns me for 1 second, instead of 4 seconds with Decisive Strike.
    Same with Flashlight Stuns, Pallet Stuns, wiggle free stuns.
    I don't have a problem with DS nor I've ever encountered one.

  • If we’re basing the effectiveness on perks on how scrub players use them then there are no problems with any perks.

    Of course that becomes a problem when you hit high rank and play good players and in particular SWF.
  • ReneAenslandReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    @Well_Placed_HexTotem said:
    If we’re basing the effectiveness on perks on how scrub players use them then there are no problems with any perks.

    Of course that becomes a problem when you hit high rank and play good players and in particular SWF.

    This team was Rank 1. And so am I.
    I'm merely stating Decisive Strike hasn't been a problem for me, ever.

  • Warlock_2020Warlock_2020 Member Posts: 1,868

    You seriously need to learn what "logic" means. lol

    Whether the 1 DS per match is a good idea game-wise or not has zero to do with Logic. Myself, I don't care about DS. I am just tired of hearing people cry about it.

  • ShyN3koShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    DS is Op, because you need a other perk to counter it.

  • BossBoss Member, Trusted Posts: 10,213

    Isn't it generally known ranks matter little with skill?
    I meet Survs at rank 9 way smarter than this chick.

  • ReneAenslandReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    @Boss said:
    Isn't it generally known ranks matter little with skill?
    I meet Survs at rank 9 way smarter than this chick.

    Agreed.

  • The_CrusaderThe_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    Even the developers admitting it's a problem so you're wrong. No debate, you're wrong.
  • RaccoonRaccoon Member Posts: 3,231
    edited December 2018

    DS is never OP when the survivor hits it while you have Enduring, runs into a decent loop, gets a freebie on a missed swing + cooldown, doesn't go for the pallet, doesn't go for the window, doesn't go for the exit directly in front of them to start to loop, and runs back towards you for no reason.

    I think we're 100% in agreeance in this scenario.

  • Mister_xDMister_xD Member Posts: 4,679

    so you think a perk that gives you a whole free life, at the cost of a perk slot is fine and balanced?

    okay.
    by that logic i think killers should have devour hope as a default ability without having to charge it first.

    cuz i dont see how this wouldnt be balanced. i mean, we would sacrifice a perk slot for it, right?

  • ReneAenslandReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    @ShyN3ko said:
    DS is Op, because you need a other perk to counter it.

    Same thing> @The_Crusader said:

    Even the developers admitting it's a problem so you're wrong. No debate, you're wrong.

    Oh, you mean the same ones responsible for the new killer? The nerfs, the perks, the mending?
    The same ones?
    Cool.

  • MartiHMartiH Member Posts: 34
    DS has never really been a problem for me either and I'm currently rank 12 as killer (my highest was 8), and there is at least one DS every match. I don't really think it's OP, it's more "annoying" in my opinion, because it's one of the many "second chance perks" that the survivors have, but there are ways to counter it.
  • Mister_xDMister_xD Member Posts: 4,679

    @MartiH said:
    DS has never really been a problem for me either and I'm currently rank 12 as killer (my highest was 8), and there is at least one DS every match. I don't really think it's OP, it's more "annoying" in my opinion, because it's one of the many "second chance perks" that the survivors have, but there are ways to counter it.

    sadly, ther eis no real way to counter it, which is the biggest problem in my opinion.
    all killers have is soft counters, like enduring to reduce the effects, or unnerving presence to make it harder to hit. yet, none of these actually nullify the effect of the perk itself.
    the survivor always gets a second chance, no matter what.
    the only thing that comes close to a counter is a bug called "dribbeling", ehich only works on very close range to a hook.

  • ReneAenslandReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    @Mister_xD said:

    @MartiH said:
    DS has never really been a problem for me either and I'm currently rank 12 as killer (my highest was 8), and there is at least one DS every match. I don't really think it's OP, it's more "annoying" in my opinion, because it's one of the many "second chance perks" that the survivors have, but there are ways to counter it.

    sadly, ther eis no real way to counter it, which is the biggest problem in my opinion.
    all killers have is soft counters, like enduring to reduce the effects, or unnerving presence to make it harder to hit. yet, none of these actually nullify the effect of the perk itself.
    the survivor always gets a second chance, no matter what.
    the only thing that comes close to a counter is a bug called "dribbeling", ehich only works on very close range to a hook.

    I've done a lot of dribbling.

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 15,328

    @Mister_xD said:

    @MartiH said:
    DS has never really been a problem for me either and I'm currently rank 12 as killer (my highest was 8), and there is at least one DS every match. I don't really think it's OP, it's more "annoying" in my opinion, because it's one of the many "second chance perks" that the survivors have, but there are ways to counter it.

    sadly, ther eis no real way to counter it, which is the biggest problem in my opinion.
    all killers have is soft counters, like enduring to reduce the effects, or unnerving presence to make it harder to hit. yet, none of these actually nullify the effect of the perk itself.
    the survivor always gets a second chance, no matter what.
    the only thing that comes close to a counter is a bug called "dribbeling", ehich only works on very close range to a hook.

    Dribbling is not a bug, it's an actual, intended mechanic.

  • Mister_xDMister_xD Member Posts: 4,679

    @Orion said:

    @Mister_xD said:

    @MartiH said:
    DS has never really been a problem for me either and I'm currently rank 12 as killer (my highest was 8), and there is at least one DS every match. I don't really think it's OP, it's more "annoying" in my opinion, because it's one of the many "second chance perks" that the survivors have, but there are ways to counter it.

    sadly, ther eis no real way to counter it, which is the biggest problem in my opinion.
    all killers have is soft counters, like enduring to reduce the effects, or unnerving presence to make it harder to hit. yet, none of these actually nullify the effect of the perk itself.
    the survivor always gets a second chance, no matter what.
    the only thing that comes close to a counter is a bug called "dribbeling", ehich only works on very close range to a hook.

    Dribbling is not a bug, it's an actual, intended mechanic.

    like many stuff (e.g. gentapping) dribbling started as a bug, but, when acknowledged by the devs, was made an official strategy.
    the devs didnt intend dribbling to be a possibility to do. they didnt create DS and thought, hey! if the killer could simply drop and pickup the survivor repeatedly, they can reach a close by hook to avoid this perk!
    in my eyes, it will always stay an "exploid" or "bug", not an "intended mechanic".
    but as ive said in a different post, im okay with it as long as DS has not gotten nerfed.

  • Mister_xDMister_xD Member Posts: 4,679

    @ReneAensland said:

    @Mister_xD said:

    @MartiH said:
    DS has never really been a problem for me either and I'm currently rank 12 as killer (my highest was 8), and there is at least one DS every match. I don't really think it's OP, it's more "annoying" in my opinion, because it's one of the many "second chance perks" that the survivors have, but there are ways to counter it.

    sadly, ther eis no real way to counter it, which is the biggest problem in my opinion.
    all killers have is soft counters, like enduring to reduce the effects, or unnerving presence to make it harder to hit. yet, none of these actually nullify the effect of the perk itself.
    the survivor always gets a second chance, no matter what.
    the only thing that comes close to a counter is a bug called "dribbeling", ehich only works on very close range to a hook.

    I've done a lot of dribbling.

    still doesnt proof that this perk is fine.

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