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  • xmenfanaticxmenfanatic Member Posts: 815

    Though you mean well Kat, Orion is an in life example of someone who would take offense be it because they have gotten a lot of online harassment in the game, or whatever other reason. I won’t claim I know the source.

    But if you feel compelled to wish someone a good game, maybe type out more then the two letters. Even if it’s a universal form of communication in gaming, it will save hurt feelings if you type out a sentence to add context.

    The intentions are good, but it’s also important to not do something that makes YOU feel good that’s optional if it may negatively effect others

  • RyuhiRyuhi Member Posts: 1,567
    edited December 2018

    I feel theres a pretty big difference between telling someone GG, and trying your hardest to disrespect them in game and then saying GG at the end. Congratulating others on good performance is a core aspect of sportsmanship, but using it as a way to try to absolve poor behavior is completely different. Unfortunately I see it far worse from survivors than I do killers, but killers can be just as bad at times. I'd much rather have an actual good game and lose, vs a crappy game and get an insincere gg at the end.

    TBH this is likely a very big source for why so many X mains hate Y players. It's a constant cycle of harassment.

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 21,675

    @xmenfanatic said:
    Though you mean well Kat, Orion is an in life example of someone who would take offense be it because they have gotten a lot of online harassment in the game, or whatever other reason. I won’t claim I know the source.

    But if you feel compelled to wish someone a good game, maybe type out more then the two letters. Even if it’s a universal form of communication in gaming, it will save hurt feelings if you type out a sentence to add context.

    The intentions are good, but it’s also important to not do something that makes YOU feel good that’s optional if it may negatively effect others

    It would depend on the context. My point is, if the OP's intention is to say GG, then they have to keep in mind that it will not always be perceived as they think it will. If their intention is to actually get their point across, they should use something else.

  • BeverlyBeverly Member Posts: 184

    People only say gg when they win.

  • thesuicidefoxthesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,227
    edited December 2018

    @Orion said:

    @xmenfanatic said:
    Though you mean well Kat, Orion is an in life example of someone who would take offense be it because they have gotten a lot of online harassment in the game, or whatever other reason. I won’t claim I know the source.

    But if you feel compelled to wish someone a good game, maybe type out more then the two letters. Even if it’s a universal form of communication in gaming, it will save hurt feelings if you type out a sentence to add context.

    The intentions are good, but it’s also important to not do something that makes YOU feel good that’s optional if it may negatively effect others

    It would depend on the context. My point is, if the OP's intention is to say GG, then they have to keep in mind that it will not always be perceived as they think it will. If their intention is to actually get their point across, they should use something else.

    If you take GG as anything toxic chances are you are the toxic one. GG NO RE or GG EZ is a different story. Most people won't say GG if they are going to be toxic or disrespectful post-trial.

    You can't prove someone was disrespecting you during a trial. If they FL, teabag, gen tap in your face, none of that means anything because there are legit reasons to do it. Save another survivor. Get the killer's attention. Keep a gen from regressing. The only possible legit sign of disrespect during the game is if they teabag while running out the gate. That's pretty much the only time you can point at them as say "you were toxic in the game" because there is no tactical reason to do this.

    Like I can literally say this about anything. I say "fun game" you can take it as me being sincere or me being toxic. If I say NOTHING and just leave you can take it either way too. Just like you will probably take this post and think I'm attacking you or being toxic towards you. It's all in your head bro, maybe stop assuming other's intentions and just take stuff at face value. You will find yourself enjoying the online experience way more.

  • RyuhiRyuhi Member Posts: 1,567

    Time to use your logic against you: "If you think things like FL, teabag, gen tap in your face, aren't toxic, chances are you are the toxic one." there's a pretty big difference between distraction and provocation. The reason killers especially find it annoying is because they are stuck in that game until the last person either dies or leaves. When a killer does something bm to a survivor, its a lot easier to just die and move on to the next one. Killers don't get that luxury, so of course they're going to get more annoyed by repeated signs of disrespect.

    At the end of the day, the argument wouldnt even exist if people didn't act like douches to each other ingame, but here we are.

  • KatFever78KatFever78 Member Posts: 26
    Ok, so I'll play the game, win or lose, move on to the next game without saying a word, and just continue on with that. I mean, I wouldn't want to offend anyone by saying something like gg.
    But seriously, if I have to type out a book explaining why I said gg so the killer doesn't get offended then I may as well not type it at all. People are looking to be offended by anything these days. If you claim I'm only thinking about myself when I try to be friendly then you must not know about manners. I understand that you've been harassed by some players, but I'm not some players. To lump everyone into the same toxic category is unfair.
    In the end, I will continue to say gg. If you get offended that's your problem. 
  • thesuicidefoxthesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,227

    @Ryuhi said:
    Time to use your logic against you: "If you think things like FL, teabag, gen tap in your face, aren't toxic, chances are you are the toxic one." there's a pretty big difference between distraction and provocation. The reason killers especially find it annoying is because they are stuck in that game until the last person either dies or leaves. When a killer does something bm to a survivor, its a lot easier to just die and move on to the next one. Killers don't get that luxury, so of course they're going to get more annoyed by repeated signs of disrespect.

    At the end of the day, the argument wouldnt even exist if people didn't act like douches to each other ingame, but here we are.

    "Signs of disrespect" are in your head most of the time. More often than not survivors are just doing things survivors should be doing. Like how many killers get mad about body blocking hooks? You shouldn't, because if I block the hook and keep a guy alive that's good for me. If you hit me I get points for it too. Yet killers take this tactic as toxic.

    If someone is trying really hard to annoy you for attention it doesn't automatically mean they are BMing you. It means they are trying to get you to chase them so others can do stuff. It's that simple. Killers make up most of this ######### in their heads and get salty about essentially nothing.

  • RyuhiRyuhi Member Posts: 1,567
    edited December 2018

    I'm actually a survivor main, so I know when its good strategy and BMing. Ironically, the main reason I barely play killer is because of the attitudes of your average survivor, it makes the game unbearable, and is a very large part of why a lot of killers are so vocal about their grievances on this board. Your last sentence heavily implies you haven't gotten stuck in games as killer with survivors BMing you, so why do you feel the need to weigh in?

  • thesuicidefoxthesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,227

    @Ryuhi said:
    I'm actually a survivor main, so I know when its good strategy and BMing. Ironically, the main reason I barely play killer is because of the attitudes of your average survivor, it makes the game unbearable, and is a very large part of why a lot of killers are so vocal about their grievances on this board. Your last sentence heavily implies you haven't gotten stuck in games as killer with survivors BMing you, so why do you feel the need to weigh in?

    I have, but I'm not going to get salty at every instance of body blocking or teabagging because of 1 ######### from 10 games ago.

    Good assumptions so far. 👍

  • RyuhiRyuhi Member Posts: 1,567

    @thesuicidefox said:
    Killers make up most of this ######### in their heads and get salty about essentially nothing.

    @thesuicidefox said:
    Good assumptions so far. 👍

  • thesuicidefoxthesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,227

    @Ryuhi Are you trying to say I'm a hypocrite? I mean you're the one sitting here assuming that someone is BMing you by saying GG and doing whatever in a game. There is such a thing as trying to get your opponent flustered, you can still be a good sport at the end of the game though.

  • RyuhiRyuhi Member Posts: 1,567

    trying to get your opponent flustered is literally BMing. What part of that don't you understand? Distraction is good, provocation is not. You don't just wash the latter away with two letters.

  • thesuicidefoxthesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,227
    edited December 2018

    @Ryuhi said:
    trying to get your opponent flustered is literally BMing. What part of that don't you understand? Distraction is good, provocation is not. You don't just wash the latter away with two letters.

    So if I have a FL and click-click at you because it clearly annoys you as a means to keep you distracted it's automatically BMing because you are annoyed at something dumb and I took advantage of it? And then afterwards I can't say GG and be sincere? You would never survive in competitive gaming dude. I've seen people who are the nicest guys in the world become complete ######### during a game JUST to get under their opponents skin. But after the game is over they all shake hands and say GG and let it slide because it's part of the game. Man the ######### up, stop being a baby. Holding a grudge because someone did something that could be construed as toxic during a game is what's actually toxic about the situation.

  • RyuhiRyuhi Member Posts: 1,567
    edited December 2018

    And then afterwards I can't say GG and be sincere? You would never survive in competitive gaming dude.

    I've been into a variety of fighting games for decades, and I can assure you that people do not act this way in person. Funny enough, stuff like teabagging in fighting games and taunt spamming only happens in online matches. Wonder why? That said, I am also no stranger to good tactics being frustrating, which is exactly why I excluded it (again, distraction vs provocation.) The lengths you're going to to insult me isnt really making a good case for you not being a toxic player, btw.

  • thesuicidefoxthesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,227

    I used to run game tournaments dude. For like 8 years, multiple games multiple genres. Fighters, shooters, racers, Madden, etc. I can assure YOU that people do indeed act this way in person. It's far less common then it is online, namely because there is a chance you might get smacked across the face for it, but there are PLENTY of players that trash talk during an eSports game then shake hands and are cool afterwards. The FGC is actually one of the better communities in this regard, probably because it's all solo. When you get team games like shooters people have less fear of being an ass. Come to a Gears event and you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

  • The_DaydreamerThe_Daydreamer Member Posts: 544

    I enjoy reading nothing instead of a GG or anything else.

  • RyuhiRyuhi Member Posts: 1,567

    I dont understand what point you're trying to make... because people are admittedly toxic in other games, that makes it ok for you to be toxic here? Why would you want to bring bad sportsmanship to the lowest common denominator?

  • thesuicidefoxthesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,227
    edited December 2018

    @Ryuhi said:
    I dont understand what point you're trying to make... because people are admittedly toxic in other games, that makes it ok for you to be toxic here? Why would you want to bring bad sportsmanship to the lowest common denominator?

    Dude this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not being toxic towards you, you are ASSUMING I am. OMG I called you a baby, wow I'm soooo toxic. Yep. You should camp and mori me because of how much I provoked you with my bad manners. Seriously man, get over it.

    GG means GOOD GAME. End of story. If you take it as anything else you are the toxic one. Someone can "BM" you during the game and still say GG sincerely afterwards, and if you are good sport too you would say GG back. It's part of the game. Stop taking offense to ######### that isn't real.

  • se05239se05239 Member Posts: 3,919

    Post-game chat toxicity has led me to just close the chat box and keep my sanity.

  • RoKruegerRoKrueger Member Posts: 1,371
    If I get a "gg" as a killer it means I did something wrong. If I could not make you misserable is because I played badly. 
    I love to read the prose of an angry salty survivor that could not escape. You should too, we are not killers to make friends  :p
  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 21,675

    @KatFever78 said:
    In the end, I will continue to say gg. If you get offended that's your problem. 

    Like I said, if your intent is to just say GG, do as you please, but you'll be perceived as an ######### many times thanks to your fellow Survivors. If your intent is to get your point across, you'll need a couple more words (or just say nothing).

  • thesuicidefoxthesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,227

    @Orion I bet you are the type of person to scream at the customer service rep for trying to help you because you think they are only being polite for a paycheck. God forbid people actually have some manners.

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 21,675
    edited December 2018

    @thesuicidefox said:
    @Orion I bet you are the type of person to scream at the customer service rep for trying to help you because you think they are only being polite for a paycheck. God forbid people actually have some manners.

    I'm pointing out the difference between how you intend to come across and how you actually come across. People you talk with aren't usually mind-readers, so they don't know how you intend to come across; all they've got is their own perspective. Since "GG" in DbD is mostly used to really rub it in after you made the other side's game as devoid of fun as possible, even well-intended people will be misunderstood, thanks to the #########.

    Since we're being judgemental, you strike me as the type of person who blames a misunderstanding on the person who didn't know what you meant to say, because you implicitly expect everyone to know your intentions.

  • KatFever78KatFever78 Member Posts: 26
    Orion said:

    @KatFever78 said:
    In the end, I will continue to say gg. If you get offended that's your problem. 

    Like I said, if your intent is to just say GG, do as you please, but you'll be perceived as an [BAD WORD] many times thanks to your fellow Survivors. If your intent is to get your point across, you'll need a couple more words (or just say nothing).

    It's not my problem how someone chooses to perceive my gg. If they want to take it the wrong way then that's their problem. I'm not going to baby anyone out of fear of offending them.
    Or maybe I should do the following; GG, and why I feel that way. An essay by KatFever78. 🙄
  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 21,675

    @KatFever78 said:
    It's not my problem how someone chooses to perceive my gg. If they want to take it the wrong way then that's their problem. I'm not going to baby anyone out of fear of offending them.
    Or maybe I should do the following; GG, and why I feel that way. An essay by KatFever78. 🙄

    If "GG" is used to troll more often than not, the natural conclusion is simply that you intend to troll. You could also choose to say nothing.

  • xmenfanaticxmenfanatic Member Posts: 815

    @KatFever78 said:
    Orion said:

    @KatFever78 said:

    In the end, I will continue to say gg. If you get offended that's your problem. 

    Like I said, if your intent is to just say GG, do as you please, but you'll be perceived as an [BAD WORD] many times thanks to your fellow Survivors. If your intent is to get your point across, you'll need a couple more words (or just say nothing).

    It's not my problem how someone chooses to perceive my gg. If they want to take it the wrong way then that's their problem. I'm not going to baby anyone out of fear of offending them.
    Or maybe I should do the following; GG, and why I feel that way. An essay by KatFever78. 🙄

    Do what you want, but don’t act like you aren’t being selfish here. And if someone calls you out for being selfish, own it.

    What’s the point of even wishing people a good game if you don’t care about negatively effecting them and figure it’s their problem if you offend them?

    At first I thought you meant well, but it really seems like you want the self gratification of coming off as a good person as opposed to actually giving people a real thank you/good wishes.

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 21,675

    @xmenfanatic said:
    Do what you want, but don’t act like you aren’t being selfish here. And if someone calls you out for being selfish, own it.

    What’s the point of even wishing people a good game if you don’t care about negatively effecting them and figure it’s their problem if you offend them?

    At first I thought you meant well, but it really seems like you want the self gratification of coming off as a good person as opposed to actually giving people a real thank you/good wishes.

    Thank you.

  • thesuicidefoxthesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,227

    @Orion said:

    @thesuicidefox said:
    @Orion I bet you are the type of person to scream at the customer service rep for trying to help you because you think they are only being polite for a paycheck. God forbid people actually have some manners.

    I'm pointing out the difference between how you intend to come across and how you actually come across. People you talk with aren't usually mind-readers, so they don't know how you intend to come across; all they've got is their own perspective. Since "GG" in DbD is mostly used to really rub it in after you made the other side's game as devoid of fun as possible, even well-intended people will be misunderstood, thanks to the #########.

    Since we're being judgemental, you strike me as the type of person who blames a misunderstanding on the person who didn't know what you meant to say, because you implicitly expect everyone to know your intentions.

    My intention is GG. Nothing more nothing less. If you take it for something else that's one you. Really not sure what you expect could be said that can't be irrationally misconstrued to be something else. Because everything people say online has to have some malicious underlying meaning and not just mean what they say.

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 21,675

    @thesuicidefox said:

    @Orion said:

    @thesuicidefox said:
    @Orion I bet you are the type of person to scream at the customer service rep for trying to help you because you think they are only being polite for a paycheck. God forbid people actually have some manners.

    I'm pointing out the difference between how you intend to come across and how you actually come across. People you talk with aren't usually mind-readers, so they don't know how you intend to come across; all they've got is their own perspective. Since "GG" in DbD is mostly used to really rub it in after you made the other side's game as devoid of fun as possible, even well-intended people will be misunderstood, thanks to the #########.

    Since we're being judgemental, you strike me as the type of person who blames a misunderstanding on the person who didn't know what you meant to say, because you implicitly expect everyone to know your intentions.

    My intention is GG. Nothing more nothing less. If you take it for something else that's one you. Really not sure what you expect could be said that can't be irrationally misconstrued to be something else. Because everything people say online has to have some malicious underlying meaning and not just mean what they say.

    Like I said, you implicitly expect everyone to know your intentions. Fact is, if GG is used for trolling more often than not, then "trolling" will become the default assumption. It's the same with literally any other word or action in all of human history.

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