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Legion is a failure of a design.

yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704

Let's be completely honest, everything about this killer is miserable.
His power is incredibly poor, one of the worst in the game in fact.
His perks are mediocre at best, and uninspired in design.
His design is uninspired, and his backstory incoherent, and his power doesn't match his theme.
He is not fun to play as, or against, the play experience as him is miserable, and playing against him is so trivial it's boring.
I really cannot understand how we come off of a killer like the spirit, into whatever abomination we have here.
And the people trying to defend it are even more pathetic.

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  • Wolff_BringerWolff_Bringer Member Posts: 88

    You cant call people pathetic just because they dont share the same idea as you. THAT is pathetic.

    And not everything about this killer is miserable:

    The power is strong in the point you can ignore pallets. If a killer ignore those, its amazing.
    The power is weak when you have injured survivors. Why should you hit an injured survivor?
    The second thing i really dont understand: Why does he get an ability that isnt used by him? The Perk with the locker is useless on him, since you dont use the exposed effect.
    The Third thing i also dont understand: Why give him the ability to see other survivors when you cant reach them? All the time i try to chase the other the ability does not have enough time. And another thing is, it has no use to chase another survivor since you can easily heal the deep wound.

    His Perks are pretty strong. The locker thing can be extremely powerful on low ranks. High ranks dont use lockers. So its a early game perk.
    DIscordance is an amazing perk on all killers. You instantly know where more than one survivor are.
    Aura reading is amazing for killers. So its a decent perk and i would use it on Freddy.

    Mad grit is also a perk that is more for the beginners. Mad grit "can" be useful when you have a SWF team.

    His design is inspired by the nurse and the spirit. You ignore pallets - you have a sprint.
    Also i like his design of being a batlefield killer and also the idea having more than one person behind a character is amazing. Never thought about that and... Well its really cool. I like it.

    For me he is fun to play. So dont call "he is unfun to play" as a point, lol.

    Give him some time. Maybe they will buff him.

    The biggest thing i dont understand: Why are all of his addons so freaking weak?
    Played some games and you can also play without ANY Addons at this rate somehow.
    Oh, and dont forget to get some perks that reduces terror radius, since you cant hit others you see.

  • CarpemortumCarpemortum Member Posts: 4,510
    yeet said:

    Let's be completely honest, everything about this killer is miserable.
    His power is incredibly poor, one of the worst in the game in fact.
    His perks are mediocre at best, and uninspired in design.
    His design is uninspired, and his backstory incoherent, and his power doesn't match his theme.
    He is not fun to play as, or against, the play experience as him is miserable, and playing against him is so trivial it's boring.
    I really cannot understand how we come off of a killer like the spirit, into whatever abomination we have here.
    And the people trying to defend it are even more pathetic.

    😁 [1] LOL!
  • ReneAenslandReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    Give him a week. He'll most likely get buffed.

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704

    @Carpemortum said:
    yeet said:

    Let's be completely honest, everything about this killer is miserable.

    His power is incredibly poor, one of the worst in the game in fact.

    His perks are mediocre at best, and uninspired in design.

    His design is uninspired, and his backstory incoherent, and his power doesn't match his theme.

    He is not fun to play as, or against, the play experience as him is miserable, and playing against him is so trivial it's boring.

    I really cannot understand how we come off of a killer like the spirit, into whatever abomination we have here.

    And the people trying to defend it are even more pathetic.

    😁 [1] LOL!

    what an eloquent and well thought out argument

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704

    @ReneAensland said:
    Give him a week. He'll most likely get buffed.

    looks at freddy

  • ReneAenslandReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    @yeet said:

    @ReneAensland said:
    Give him a week. He'll most likely get buffed.

    looks at freddy

    Oh. lol
    Yeah.

  • DocOctoberDocOctober Member Posts: 2,230
    edited December 2018

    @yeet said:

    @ReneAensland said:
    Give him a week. He'll most likely get buffed.

    looks at freddy

    The thing is, if you know your way 'round Freddy, he's quite a dangerous Killer. But I don't see that happening with Legion any time soon, if ever.

  • Salty_PearlSalty_Pearl Member Posts: 1,161

    I mean as of right now, I'm doing just fine with Legion. I have fun playing as and against them, and I like their design. Am I pathetic?

  • Wolff_BringerWolff_Bringer Member Posts: 88

    @yeet said:

    @Wolff_Bringer said:
    You cant call people pathetic just because they dont share the same idea as you. THAT is pathetic.

    And not everything about this killer is miserable:

    The power is strong in the point you can ignore pallets. If a killer ignore those, its amazing.
    The power is weak when you have injured survivors. Why should you hit an injured survivor?
    The second thing i really dont understand: Why does he get an ability that isnt used by him? The Perk with the locker is useless on him, since you dont use the exposed effect.
    The Third thing i also dont understand: Why give him the ability to see other survivors when you cant reach them? All the time i try to chase the other the ability does not have enough time. And another thing is, it has no use to chase another survivor since you can easily heal the deep wound.

    His Perks are pretty strong. The locker thing can be extremely powerful on low ranks. High ranks dont use lockers. So its a early game perk.
    DIscordance is an amazing perk on all killers. You instantly know where more than one survivor are.
    Aura reading is amazing for killers. So its a decent perk and i would use it on Freddy.

    Mad grit is also a perk that is more for the beginners. Mad grit "can" be useful when you have a SWF team.

    His design is inspired by the nurse and the spirit. You ignore pallets - you have a sprint.
    Also i like his design of being a batlefield killer and also the idea having more than one person behind a character is amazing. Never thought about that and... Well its really cool. I like it.

    For me he is fun to play. So dont call "he is unfun to play" as a point, lol.

    Give him some time. Maybe they will buff him.

    The biggest thing i dont understand: Why are all of his addons so freaking weak?
    Played some games and you can also play without ANY Addons at this rate somehow.
    Oh, and dont forget to get some perks that reduces terror radius, since you cant hit others you see.

    what is the point of ignoring pallets when you cannot down survivors in any reasonable amount of time?
    you also forget that to win in dead by daylight, the killer actually needs to HIT and DOWN survivors, doing this with what basically amounts to a 110% MS? complete garbage.
    Discordance is only viable against low rank survivors, you should rarely need to work multiple people on a single generator
    mad grit is a bandaid against a poor mechanic.
    this killer is garbage

    The point of ignoring pallets? IGNORING PALLETS Yeah, its weak. Understand that. ironie off
    I know that. I got that also with legion. I win most of the matches.
    The movement speed is a little bit slow, yes. But he shouldnt be as fast as normal killers. They should add a new tier of movement speed, agree with that. But garbage, no, not really.
    Discordance is good in all ranks. As i saw today (im still playing)
    Mad grit is only strong on low ranks, again. And poor mechanic? What about struggle is poor?Cant you see hooks as a killer?
    This killer is not garbage. Garbage is raging against a new released killer.

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704

    @DocOctober said:

    @yeet said:

    @ReneAensland said:
    Give him a week. He'll most likely get buffed.

    looks at freddy

    The thing is, if you know your way 'round Freddy, he's quite a dangerous Killer. But I don't see that happening with Legion any time soon, if ever.

    he works up to a point, but he still has the glaring weaknesses

    @Salty_Pearl said:
    I mean as of right now, I'm doing just fine with Legion. I have fun playing as and against them, and I like their design. Am I pathetic?

    stockholm syndrome

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704

    @Wolff_Bringer said:

    @yeet said:

    @Wolff_Bringer said:
    You cant call people pathetic just because they dont share the same idea as you. THAT is pathetic.

    And not everything about this killer is miserable:

    The power is strong in the point you can ignore pallets. If a killer ignore those, its amazing.
    The power is weak when you have injured survivors. Why should you hit an injured survivor?
    The second thing i really dont understand: Why does he get an ability that isnt used by him? The Perk with the locker is useless on him, since you dont use the exposed effect.
    The Third thing i also dont understand: Why give him the ability to see other survivors when you cant reach them? All the time i try to chase the other the ability does not have enough time. And another thing is, it has no use to chase another survivor since you can easily heal the deep wound.

    His Perks are pretty strong. The locker thing can be extremely powerful on low ranks. High ranks dont use lockers. So its a early game perk.
    DIscordance is an amazing perk on all killers. You instantly know where more than one survivor are.
    Aura reading is amazing for killers. So its a decent perk and i would use it on Freddy.

    Mad grit is also a perk that is more for the beginners. Mad grit "can" be useful when you have a SWF team.

    His design is inspired by the nurse and the spirit. You ignore pallets - you have a sprint.
    Also i like his design of being a batlefield killer and also the idea having more than one person behind a character is amazing. Never thought about that and... Well its really cool. I like it.

    For me he is fun to play. So dont call "he is unfun to play" as a point, lol.

    Give him some time. Maybe they will buff him.

    The biggest thing i dont understand: Why are all of his addons so freaking weak?
    Played some games and you can also play without ANY Addons at this rate somehow.
    Oh, and dont forget to get some perks that reduces terror radius, since you cant hit others you see.

    what is the point of ignoring pallets when you cannot down survivors in any reasonable amount of time?
    you also forget that to win in dead by daylight, the killer actually needs to HIT and DOWN survivors, doing this with what basically amounts to a 110% MS? complete garbage.
    Discordance is only viable against low rank survivors, you should rarely need to work multiple people on a single generator
    mad grit is a bandaid against a poor mechanic.
    this killer is garbage

    The point of ignoring pallets? IGNORING PALLETS Yeah, its weak. Understand that. ironie off
    I know that. I got that also with legion. I win most of the matches.
    The movement speed is a little bit slow, yes. But he shouldnt be as fast as normal killers. They should add a new tier of movement speed, agree with that. But garbage, no, not really.
    Discordance is good in all ranks. As i saw today (im still playing)
    Mad grit is only strong on low ranks, again. And poor mechanic? What about struggle is poor?Cant you see hooks as a killer?
    This killer is not garbage. Garbage is raging against a new released killer.

    again, what is the point of ignoring those pallets if you cant do anything after the fact?
    legion is very bad at downing survivors, that's all you need to know when making an assessment of his power
    because ultimately downing a survivor is something that needs to happen to win games
    discordance is only good against clueless survivors
    i was referring to bodyblocking, not struggling
    yes, this killer is not only garbage, but a giant steaming pile of garbage

  • Dwight_ConfusionDwight_Confusion Member Posts: 1,642

    I view this as another millennial post without much substance.

    Basically... because the OP doesn't "like" the new killer... therefore it is "weak" and "bad". Typical millennial thinking.

    Be objective.

    I personally think the killer is in a good place. I think some of the add ons could get checked on, but overall I like the very humanistic look, the perks are fantastic on both sides, and it really forces people to chance the meta.

    I'll be seeing a lot less SC, DS, Adren, BT builds now.

    I think he's mid tier maybe? I don't know. It's hard to say right now. He just came out.

  • Wolff_BringerWolff_Bringer Member Posts: 88

    @yeet said:

    @Wolff_Bringer said:

    @yeet said:

    @Wolff_Bringer said:
    You cant call people pathetic just because they dont share the same idea as you. THAT is pathetic.

    And not everything about this killer is miserable:

    The power is strong in the point you can ignore pallets. If a killer ignore those, its amazing.
    The power is weak when you have injured survivors. Why should you hit an injured survivor?
    The second thing i really dont understand: Why does he get an ability that isnt used by him? The Perk with the locker is useless on him, since you dont use the exposed effect.
    The Third thing i also dont understand: Why give him the ability to see other survivors when you cant reach them? All the time i try to chase the other the ability does not have enough time. And another thing is, it has no use to chase another survivor since you can easily heal the deep wound.

    His Perks are pretty strong. The locker thing can be extremely powerful on low ranks. High ranks dont use lockers. So its a early game perk.
    DIscordance is an amazing perk on all killers. You instantly know where more than one survivor are.
    Aura reading is amazing for killers. So its a decent perk and i would use it on Freddy.

    Mad grit is also a perk that is more for the beginners. Mad grit "can" be useful when you have a SWF team.

    His design is inspired by the nurse and the spirit. You ignore pallets - you have a sprint.
    Also i like his design of being a batlefield killer and also the idea having more than one person behind a character is amazing. Never thought about that and... Well its really cool. I like it.

    For me he is fun to play. So dont call "he is unfun to play" as a point, lol.

    Give him some time. Maybe they will buff him.

    The biggest thing i dont understand: Why are all of his addons so freaking weak?
    Played some games and you can also play without ANY Addons at this rate somehow.
    Oh, and dont forget to get some perks that reduces terror radius, since you cant hit others you see.

    what is the point of ignoring pallets when you cannot down survivors in any reasonable amount of time?
    you also forget that to win in dead by daylight, the killer actually needs to HIT and DOWN survivors, doing this with what basically amounts to a 110% MS? complete garbage.
    Discordance is only viable against low rank survivors, you should rarely need to work multiple people on a single generator
    mad grit is a bandaid against a poor mechanic.
    this killer is garbage

    The point of ignoring pallets? IGNORING PALLETS Yeah, its weak. Understand that. ironie off
    I know that. I got that also with legion. I win most of the matches.
    The movement speed is a little bit slow, yes. But he shouldnt be as fast as normal killers. They should add a new tier of movement speed, agree with that. But garbage, no, not really.
    Discordance is good in all ranks. As i saw today (im still playing)
    Mad grit is only strong on low ranks, again. And poor mechanic? What about struggle is poor?Cant you see hooks as a killer?
    This killer is not garbage. Garbage is raging against a new released killer.

    again, what is the point of ignoring those pallets if you cant do anything after the fact?
    legion is very bad at downing survivors, that's all you need to know when making an assessment of his power
    because ultimately downing a survivor is something that needs to happen to win games
    discordance is only good against clueless survivors
    i was referring to bodyblocking, not struggling
    yes, this killer is not only garbage, but a giant steaming pile of garbage

    You can hit him with your Feral Frenzy? It isnt that hard to hit someone after jumping over a pallet...
    Do you even played him??
    He is not VERY bad at downing, he is bad at it, but not VERY.
    You should check his power more. Its more than a "i hit someone and downs him" ability. Think of using it right... (moonwalk the survvior you just hit...?)

    Well, your quite ignorant.

  • Dwight_ConfusionDwight_Confusion Member Posts: 1,642

    @yeet said:

    @Dwight_Confusion said:
    I view this as another millennial post without much substance.

    Basically... because the OP doesn't "like" the new killer... therefore it is "weak" and "bad". Typical millennial thinking.

    Be objective.

    I personally think the killer is in a good place. I think some of the add ons could get checked on, but overall I like the very humanistic look, the perks are fantastic on both sides, and it really forces people to chance the meta.

    I'll be seeing a lot less SC, DS, Adren, BT builds now.

    I think he's mid tier maybe? I don't know. It's hard to say right now. He just came out.

    when you need to use generational buzzwords in order to attempt to invalidate my arguments, you've already shown that you have none of your own

    Nice try.

    You've already made a fool out of yourself.

    Using definitive opinions on something that just got released isn't wise. It is foolish. You are using personal thoughts to define something so new.

    You're not even trying to be objective. I mean I personally would love 4.6ms movement speed, but that would be too strong I think for sure.

    Think for yourself. Not what you hear.

    If you think this new killer is the worst killer ever... or very weak, then you must not be looking at it objectively.

    Then again, everyone has their own shortsighted opinions

  • VancoldVancold Member Posts: 187

    I haven't visited this forum in a really really long time. It's always the same, I guess. Kinda funny, but in a sad way ;d

    KillAr mAinZ (and I didn't say killer mains on purpose) are gonna complain no matter what, so I don't see the point arguing on such flawed and kind of ridicolous threads. ;d

  • Wolff_BringerWolff_Bringer Member Posts: 88

    @Dwight_Confusion said:
    I view this as another millennial post without much substance.

    Basically... because the OP doesn't "like" the new killer... therefore it is "weak" and "bad". Typical millennial thinking.

    Be objective.

    I personally think the killer is in a good place. I think some of the add ons could get checked on, but overall I like the very humanistic look, the perks are fantastic on both sides, and it really forces people to chance the meta.

    I'll be seeing a lot less SC, DS, Adren, BT builds now.

    I think he's mid tier maybe? I don't know. It's hard to say right now. He just came out.

    He is not mid tier, he is for begginers, i think. He is pretty weak. But not garbage as the OP says.
    Im fine with some points, but everytime this BS statement that he is garbage...

  • ReneAenslandReneAensland Member Posts: 838

    Who the [BAD WORD] cares. Then don't use him if you don't like him. Jesus [BAD WORD] Christ.

  • Dwight_ConfusionDwight_Confusion Member Posts: 1,642

    @Wolff_Bringer said:

    @Dwight_Confusion said:
    I view this as another millennial post without much substance.

    Basically... because the OP doesn't "like" the new killer... therefore it is "weak" and "bad". Typical millennial thinking.

    Be objective.

    I personally think the killer is in a good place. I think some of the add ons could get checked on, but overall I like the very humanistic look, the perks are fantastic on both sides, and it really forces people to chance the meta.

    I'll be seeing a lot less SC, DS, Adren, BT builds now.

    I think he's mid tier maybe? I don't know. It's hard to say right now. He just came out.

    He is not mid tier, he is for begginers, i think. He is pretty weak. But not garbage as the OP says.
    Im fine with some points, but everytime this BS statement that he is garbage...

    Again. Everyone wants a clear way to define something.

    I personally think he's fine. As he is. It's hard to say, but he's not "weak" or trash like people are saying. He/she just isn't.

    It will take proper perk setup and time to get used to him. After a week or so, hopefully people can think for themselves and not what they hear.

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704

    @Wolff_Bringer said:

    @yeet said:

    @Wolff_Bringer said:

    @yeet said:

    @Wolff_Bringer said:
    You cant call people pathetic just because they dont share the same idea as you. THAT is pathetic.

    And not everything about this killer is miserable:

    The power is strong in the point you can ignore pallets. If a killer ignore those, its amazing.
    The power is weak when you have injured survivors. Why should you hit an injured survivor?
    The second thing i really dont understand: Why does he get an ability that isnt used by him? The Perk with the locker is useless on him, since you dont use the exposed effect.
    The Third thing i also dont understand: Why give him the ability to see other survivors when you cant reach them? All the time i try to chase the other the ability does not have enough time. And another thing is, it has no use to chase another survivor since you can easily heal the deep wound.

    His Perks are pretty strong. The locker thing can be extremely powerful on low ranks. High ranks dont use lockers. So its a early game perk.
    DIscordance is an amazing perk on all killers. You instantly know where more than one survivor are.
    Aura reading is amazing for killers. So its a decent perk and i would use it on Freddy.

    Mad grit is also a perk that is more for the beginners. Mad grit "can" be useful when you have a SWF team.

    His design is inspired by the nurse and the spirit. You ignore pallets - you have a sprint.
    Also i like his design of being a batlefield killer and also the idea having more than one person behind a character is amazing. Never thought about that and... Well its really cool. I like it.

    For me he is fun to play. So dont call "he is unfun to play" as a point, lol.

    Give him some time. Maybe they will buff him.

    The biggest thing i dont understand: Why are all of his addons so freaking weak?
    Played some games and you can also play without ANY Addons at this rate somehow.
    Oh, and dont forget to get some perks that reduces terror radius, since you cant hit others you see.

    what is the point of ignoring pallets when you cannot down survivors in any reasonable amount of time?
    you also forget that to win in dead by daylight, the killer actually needs to HIT and DOWN survivors, doing this with what basically amounts to a 110% MS? complete garbage.
    Discordance is only viable against low rank survivors, you should rarely need to work multiple people on a single generator
    mad grit is a bandaid against a poor mechanic.
    this killer is garbage

    The point of ignoring pallets? IGNORING PALLETS Yeah, its weak. Understand that. ironie off
    I know that. I got that also with legion. I win most of the matches.
    The movement speed is a little bit slow, yes. But he shouldnt be as fast as normal killers. They should add a new tier of movement speed, agree with that. But garbage, no, not really.
    Discordance is good in all ranks. As i saw today (im still playing)
    Mad grit is only strong on low ranks, again. And poor mechanic? What about struggle is poor?Cant you see hooks as a killer?
    This killer is not garbage. Garbage is raging against a new released killer.

    again, what is the point of ignoring those pallets if you cant do anything after the fact?
    legion is very bad at downing survivors, that's all you need to know when making an assessment of his power
    because ultimately downing a survivor is something that needs to happen to win games
    discordance is only good against clueless survivors
    i was referring to bodyblocking, not struggling
    yes, this killer is not only garbage, but a giant steaming pile of garbage

    You can hit him with your Feral Frenzy? It isnt that hard to hit someone after jumping over a pallet...
    Do you even played him??
    He is not VERY bad at downing, he is bad at it, but not VERY.
    You should check his power more. Its more than a "i hit someone and downs him" ability. Think of using it right... (moonwalk the survvior you just hit...?)

    Well, your quite ignorant.

    and hitting them with your frenzy achieves nothing
    fundamentally he is a 110% MS killer with a power that doesn't help him down, he is abysmal

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704

    @Dwight_Confusion said:

    @yeet said:

    @Dwight_Confusion said:
    I view this as another millennial post without much substance.

    Basically... because the OP doesn't "like" the new killer... therefore it is "weak" and "bad". Typical millennial thinking.

    Be objective.

    I personally think the killer is in a good place. I think some of the add ons could get checked on, but overall I like the very humanistic look, the perks are fantastic on both sides, and it really forces people to chance the meta.

    I'll be seeing a lot less SC, DS, Adren, BT builds now.

    I think he's mid tier maybe? I don't know. It's hard to say right now. He just came out.

    when you need to use generational buzzwords in order to attempt to invalidate my arguments, you've already shown that you have none of your own

    Nice try.

    You've already made a fool out of yourself.

    Using definitive opinions on something that just got released isn't wise. It is foolish. You are using personal thoughts to define something so new.

    You're not even trying to be objective. I mean I personally would love 4.6ms movement speed, but that would be too strong I think for sure.

    Think for yourself. Not what you hear.

    If you think this new killer is the worst killer ever... or very weak, then you must not be looking at it objectively.

    Then again, everyone has their own shortsighted opinions

    most people agree that he is very weak, outside of the usual suspects

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704

    @ReneAensland said:
    Who the [BAD WORD] cares. Then don't use him if you don't like him. Jesus [BAD WORD] Christ.

    what an excellent way to sell a product!

    @Vancold said:
    I haven't visited this forum in a really really long time. It's always the same, I guess. Kinda funny, but in a sad way ;d

    KillAr mAinZ (and I didn't say killer mains on purpose) are gonna complain no matter what, so I don't see the point arguing on such flawed and kind of ridicolous threads. ;d

    how dare people not just bend over like good little piggies and eat their swill

  • Dwight_ConfusionDwight_Confusion Member Posts: 1,642

    MOst people don't think for themselves. They only listen to what streamers say...

    What is popular isn't always true... and what is true usually isn't popular.

    Think about it kiddo.

  • yeetyeet Member Posts: 1,704

    @Dwight_Confusion said:
    MOst people don't think for themselves. They only listen to what streamers say...

    What is popular isn't always true... and what is true usually isn't popular.

    Think about it kiddo.

    woooaaaaahhh like deeeeeeep maaaaaaaaaaaan
    you're being incredibly foolish

  • Dwight_ConfusionDwight_Confusion Member Posts: 1,642

    @yeet said:

    @Dwight_Confusion said:
    MOst people don't think for themselves. They only listen to what streamers say...

    What is popular isn't always true... and what is true usually isn't popular.

    Think about it kiddo.

    woooaaaaahhh like deeeeeeep maaaaaaaaaaaan
    you're being incredibly foolish

    There's always a point where that brick wall starts talking back...

    I gotta back away. Thanks.

  • PhantomMask20763PhantomMask20763 Member Posts: 5,181
    I cant wait to run some more tracking perks instead of Aura perks, then survivors running that one Aura reading block perk will be useless to them. Same with Iron maiden, I'm a little excited to unlock the perks on my other killers. Legion doesn't seem THAT bad. He has trouble downing sure but nothing a few buffs can fix. I'm sure BHVR will realise he needs a few more tweaks before he can be good 
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