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Why Amanda?

DCh4rlieDCh4rlie Member Posts: 10
Just a little warning first, this thread might contain some spoilers to the Saw series.

Okay, so basically my question is, why would the Entity take Amanda rather than John? Why take a henchman (not sure whether this is the right word) over a master minded psychopath that always thinks one step ahead of everyone?

It certainly can't be the fact that John didn't actually wanted to kill his victims rather than teaching them a lesson, since we also have other killers in the realm that didn't mean to kill in the first place e.g. Wraith or Hag. 

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  • TheluckyboiTheluckyboi Member Posts: 456

    A man with cancer chasing survivors? i dont know, it seems off

  • Salty_PearlSalty_Pearl Member Posts: 528

    Amanda was obsessed with John and I guess her emotional state made the Entity more interested in her

  • ShrimpTwiggsShrimpTwiggs Member Posts: 914

    John isn't really a 'chase you down' person. And due to his condition, he wouldn't be able to chase the survivors down or bring them to a sacrificial hook.

  • I_Eat_WormsI_Eat_Worms Member Posts: 55

    @Doulldozer said:
    In reality Amanda was the perfect choice as a killer, John took you due to lack of appreciation of life and if you earned your second chance he would let you go. He had honour and if you won his game then you earned freedom.

    Amanda on the other hand was a significantly more brutal Jigsaw, to her you were a sack of meat who didn't deserve redemption. Whereas John would let you live should you best his game, Amanda's games were unwinnable, she purposefully tampered with traps to make it you could not escape and would die. So in reality if you were to pit Amanda vs John for a murder role, Amanda beats john by a long shot as john let you go should you deserve it while Amanda would toy with you knowing you were going to die no matter what under her traps.

    Hoffman beats Amanda for a murder role

  • XxAtomicAlfiexXXxAtomicAlfiexX Member Posts: 395

    @DCh4rlie said:
    Just a little warning first, this thread might contain some spoilers to the Saw series.

    a master minded psychopath that always thinks one step ahead of everyone?

     

    i think its a bit more then one.

  • Divinitye9Divinitye9 Member Posts: 138

    A man with cancer chasing survivors? i dont know, it seems off

    We have teenage children chasing down full grown men with rulers with compass points taped to them.

    Honestly, David could flat out level any Legion with a good right cross.

    Yet, it doesn’t happen. 

    The entity can do many things to assist a killer in their endeavors. Helping a man run who is riddled with cancer? Not unbelievable in the entity’s realm.
  • TRGrayblesTRGraybles Member Posts: 144

    I think it's because Amanda was truly Evil, John "Jigsaw" Kramer had a reason to "test" his subjects by which he justified the murders. As soon as Amanda Young got enlisted as a protegé she started to disable the escape mechanics of almost all tests she was involved with. Jigsaw became aware of this eventually and set up a final test for her and she failed gloriously on that one in the end.

  • The_TrapperThe_Trapper Member Posts: 136

    Not all killers actually kill because they want to. Leatherface, for example, kills because he is afraid. I believe the Entity whispers into his ears that the survivors will discover his family and exploit his fears if he doesn't kill them.

    I don't see why the Entity could not make John the Pig, and believe that if the survivors do not escape from him they will fail his game. It's much blunt than his actual games, since it would be him chasing you.

    As for his illnesses, the Entity could easily remove them, and even strengthen him the same way other killers are to be able to break pallets and lift survivors etc.

    I prefer John as a character from the films, but Hoffman was my favourite.

    Amanda is okaaaay I suppose.

  • katoptriskatoptris Member Posts: 132
    I'm just glad we got Amanda but why tapp tho it could have been David Mathew from saw 2 
  • JR100JR100 Member Posts: 46
    Not only does it make sense lore wise, but it checks the female licensed character box.
  • AetherBytesAetherBytes Member Posts: 44

    The Entity feeds off hope, but it can't feed off it if the survivors escape. John's games were designed to either kill or release. Unless the Entity interacted with Johns traps, they wouldn't be a sacrifice, and while the other killers (and Amanda) would continue to hunt their prey until they all were sacrificed or escaped, John would release survivors who bested him once.

    Amanda, however, doesn't care whether someone wins or loses her game, only that in the end, they die, whether to her traps or to the hook she doesn't care, and as such makes a much better killer then John.

  • DCh4rlieDCh4rlie Member Posts: 10

    Not all killers actually kill because they want to. Leatherface, for example, kills because he is afraid. I believe the Entity whispers into his ears that the survivors will discover his family and exploit his fears if he doesn't kill them.

    I don't see why the Entity could not make John the Pig, and believe that if the survivors do not escape from him they will fail his game. It's much blunt than his actual games, since it would be him chasing you.

    As for his illnesses, the Entity could easily remove them, and even strengthen him the same way other killers are to be able to break pallets and lift survivors etc.

    I prefer John as a character from the films, but Hoffman was my favourite.

    Amanda is okaaaay I suppose.

    Thank you! This was the actual question of mine. 
    I mean yes, I can accept the answer that Amanda is a true killer. 
    But imagine you were the entity and you had the power to make people do the things you want them to. Why take a "cheap 2nd choice" when you can take the better orginal. 
  • PhantomMask20763PhantomMask20763 Member Posts: 2,930

    @AetherBytes said:
    The Entity feeds off hope, but it can't feed off it if the survivors escape. John's games were designed to either kill or release. Unless the Entity interacted with Johns traps, they wouldn't be a sacrifice, and while the other killers (and Amanda) would continue to hunt their prey until they all were sacrificed or escaped, John would release survivors who bested him once.

    Amanda, however, doesn't care whether someone wins or loses her game, only that in the end, they die, whether to her traps or to the hook she doesn't care, and as such makes a much better killer then John.

    Lol, if John was the killer he would be survivor mains favorite killer to face due to him giving second chances and letting them go if they beat his game lol.

  • McAlastairMcAlastair Member Posts: 7

    Well, let's make a checklist for Amanda shall we?

    1. Unstable mind? Check
    2. Unstable emotional state? Check
    3. No real purpose in life beyond emotional impulses? Check
    4. A bodycount that rivals that of a Russian gulag? Check
    5. The physical capabilities to commit such crimes? With a suspension of disbelief, check... I guess...

    The point is, John Kramer (sorry if I misspelt that) would have been too merciful and to weak for the Entity. Jigsaw's whole schtick was to put 'sinners' and other flawed civvies through his torture-porn gallery of death in the hopes that they would be "reborn" as something better. The only reason he's got such a high body count is because most of his victims can't handle the pain/made stupid decisions and died as a result, making him mostly yet indirectly responsible for their deaths.

    Amanda, on the other hand, while initially on board with this philosophy, was blinded by emotion and obsessed with Kramer's praise. She didn't really care about whether her victims survived and wasn't afraid to get her hands dirty. If you've watched the films yourself (I haven't, but I did research), you'll see how far she goes to do the stuff she does.

  • KhroalthemadbomberKhroalthemadbomber Member Posts: 689
    First and foremost, Entity doesn't just feed off hope but moments of extreme emotion such as terror when Myers rips you off a generator or rage when you're stabbed in THE GOD DAMNED SHOULDER FOR THE THIRD TIME THIS ROUND BLARGRAWRSNARLGHRAWL....


    ...ahem...

    Anyways, unlike John, as many have pointed out, Amanda does not believe in forgiveness. Those that commit their actions that they're being judged for, in Amanda's eyes, are destined to repeat over and over again. Thus they deserve to die.

    Looking at the profiles of all the survivors, I honestly feel like the only one she would have a legit bone to pick with, in terms of going against her sense of "morals," are Ace with his gambling habits, Feng for the whole gaming thing, and Nea because... well... it's Nea.
  • Walker_of_the_fog_96Walker_of_the_fog_96 Member Posts: 39
    edited February 20

    Because she is bad ass?

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