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Add a stamina system. Possibly for a new game mode

Basically. Survivors can only sprint for 20 seconds or so before a stamina bar runs out and they can't sprint or use exhaustion perks or do fast actions. They can still do all other actions like normal including dropping pallets and slow vaulting. Every second not running recharges a second of run time. All exhaustion perks besides adrenaline cost 5 seconds worth of stamina to use with no other cost. Adrenaline fills your stamina to 200% max and heals you 1 state with no speed boost.

To compensate remove scratch marks entirely. All of them.

Might at least make for a cool alternate game mode cuz it would definitely be a HUGE change

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  • NuclearBurrito2NuclearBurrito2 Member Posts: 262

    Came up with the idea when brainstorming for this thread btw: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/310559

    The intent is to encourage stealth play by making an extended chase impossible to survive but also making it much easier to lose a killer in the time you have

  • NuclearBurrito2NuclearBurrito2 Member Posts: 262

    Also being hit would refill your stamina btw

  • OooooofOooooof Member Posts: 109

    just no.

  • NuclearBurrito2NuclearBurrito2 Member Posts: 262
    Saying no and making sarcastic comments is useless. If you don’t like then say why
  • willcenxwillcenx Member Posts: 176
    Saying no and making sarcastic comments is useless. If you don’t like then say why
    Let's maybe fix the default gamemode before making a new one and getting another bunch of bugs and complains.
  • FayeZaharaFayeZahara Member Posts: 964
    Stamina system would enjoy cause at rank 1 survivors don't take killers seriously at all. Plus there is alot of lack of dynamic gameplay. This event changes that but not as much as would enjoy.
    I also think they should update there settings cause after looking at game like apex legends settings alot of variety in settings. Plus making game more accessible to broader audiences is always good. Color blind assists among others are always welcome in a game cause provides same experience for others as it does for you.
  • NuclearBurrito2NuclearBurrito2 Member Posts: 262

    Yeah. Personally if I was designing this game myself I would have added a stamina system in the first place. The only reason I'm pitching it as an alternate mode is because of how much it would throw of the balance of the game right now due to how much it's been developed this way

  • OGlilSPOOK20OGlilSPOOK20 Member Posts: 525
    Nope
  • NuclearBurrito2NuclearBurrito2 Member Posts: 262

    @OGlilSPOOK20 said:
    Nope

    Why not?

  • MojoTheFabulousMojoTheFabulous Member Posts: 1,134

    I wouldn't either bother to try it. Doesn't sound fun at all.

  • Bravo0413Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,276
    Ooohh...  uuhhmm... ok?... so like... 20 seconds running? And then theyd walk? I mean I don't think there's any harm in throwing it in the ptb
  • NoShinyPonyNoShinyPony Member Posts: 3,744

    So basically, after 20 seconds the survivor gets hit, no matter how good the survivor and the killer are.

    That doesn't look like fun to me, neither from survivor's nor from killer's perspective.

  • Maj33yMaj33y Member Posts: 189
    Is that a game mode for elderly or obese people  ;) running for only 20 seconds and then get exhusted ... only  one that Might fit in that category is bill 😂😂😂
  • AftertasteAftertaste Member Posts: 313

    No.

  • AftertasteAftertaste Member Posts: 313

    Big NONO

  • Aven_FallenAven_Fallen Member Posts: 2,275

    To be honest a Killer should also have a Stamina Bar then. Which would be very hard to balance. Otherwise, like said before... Running 20 Seconds and after that you are basically screwed. Either shortly or in the long run, because you need to wait at a Pallet to slow the Killer down and to recover Stamina, which results in Pallets thrown way too early.

    Also, regarding rewarding Stealth gameplay: The latest addition (Legion) is the Number 1 tool against stealthy gameplay, because you get seen 100% when you are in the TR. I doubt that more stealth gameplay is wanted.

  • MojoTheFabulousMojoTheFabulous Member Posts: 1,134

    If anyone has played F13 i'm sure it's not hard to imagine how this would play out.

  • NuclearBurrito2NuclearBurrito2 Member Posts: 262

    Did everyone just ignore the part where I counterbalance the change in a way that actually makes getting out of a chase in the time given plausible for the average player?

  • NuclearBurrito2NuclearBurrito2 Member Posts: 262

    @MojoTheFabulous said:
    If anyone has played F13 i'm sure it's not hard to imagine how this would play out.

    I haven't. How did that play out there?

  • artistartist Member Posts: 1,490
    hell no. not everyone likes to break chase and hide. the chase is what's fun for me and if this happens it would be the literal definition of BHVR holding the killer's hand
  • MojoTheFabulousMojoTheFabulous Member Posts: 1,134

    @NuclearBurrito2 said:

    @MojoTheFabulous said:
    If anyone has played F13 i'm sure it's not hard to imagine how this would play out.

    I haven't. How did that play out there?

    In my opinion it ruins the pacing and just looks awkward.

  • PeanitsPeanits Dev, Community Manager Posts: 4,516

    I'm not sure this could work unless the game was entirely reworked from the ground up. This would essentially mean that you are guaranteed to get a hit every 20-30 seconds. With that in mind, it would become less about who can outplay the other and more of a race against the clock. Your ability in a chase wouldn't be nearly as important as your teammates ability to do generators.

    I feel like this would take all skill out of the game. Catching someone as the killer isn't about capitalizing on someone's mistakes or mindgames, it'd just be about walking after someone until they can't sprint anymore. Survivor wouldn't be about trying to outsmart the killer and knowing how to run tiles, it would just be about doing generators as fast as possible before the killer has time to down everyone.

    The only way I can see this working is if killers also had the same mechanic, though this would not work as-is because killers have a wide variety of powers that would circumvent that (blinking as the nurse, chainsaw sprinting as the hillbilly, etc.). If the killer has more stamina, the system would be negligible as killer. If the killers have the same amount of stamina, there would be a very real chance that the killer runs out of stamina first and can't possibly catch up.

    I'm also not sure how much of an effect removing scratch marks would have. So long as you can keep track of that survivor for the first ~20 seconds, you can hit them and cause them to bleed. The blood trail would be very easy to follow. At this point they will also been groaning in pain so unless they are running Iron Will, it's going to be impossible for them to lose you. It would also be hard to lose a killer when they know you're going to try to hide after ~20 seconds in a chase.

    The short version, I think this would basically just be free downs for the killer. I feel like this would take a lot of skill out of the game and just turn it into a race against the clock. You're more or less just getting a super bloodlust every 20 seconds, whether you break pallets or not.

  • PoweasPoweas Member Posts: 4,593

    @NuclearBurrito2 said:
    Saying no and making sarcastic comments is useless. If you don’t like then say why

    There's no point in adding another gamemode when the current one is not as good as it can be. Maybe save the idea until the community is satisfied with the balancing.

  • NuclearBurrito2NuclearBurrito2 Member Posts: 262

    @Peanits said:
    I'm not sure this could work unless the game was entirely reworked from the ground up. This would essentially mean that you are guaranteed to get a hit every 20-30 seconds. With that in mind, it would become less about who can outplay the other and more of a race against the clock. Your ability in a chase wouldn't be nearly as important as your teammates ability to do generators.

    I feel like this would take all skill out of the game. Catching someone as the killer isn't about capitalizing on someone's mistakes or mindgames, it'd just be about walking after someone until they can't sprint anymore. Survivor wouldn't be about trying to outsmart the killer and knowing how to run tiles, it would just be about doing generators as fast as possible before the killer has time to down everyone.

    The only way I can see this working is if killers also had the same mechanic, though this would not work as-is because killers have a wide variety of powers that would circumvent that (blinking as the nurse, chainsaw sprinting as the hillbilly, etc.). If the killer has more stamina, the system would be negligible as killer. If the killers have the same amount of stamina, there would be a very real chance that the killer runs out of stamina first and can't possibly catch up.

    I'm also not sure how much of an effect removing scratch marks would have. So long as you can keep track of that survivor for the first ~20 seconds, you can hit them and cause them to bleed. The blood trail would be very easy to follow. At this point they will also been groaning in pain so unless they are running Iron Will, it's going to be impossible for them to lose you. It would also be hard to lose a killer when they know you're going to try to hide after ~20 seconds in a chase.

    The short version, I think this would basically just be free downs for the killer. I feel like this would take a lot of skill out of the game and just turn it into a race against the clock. You're more or less just getting a super bloodlust every 20 seconds, whether you break pallets or not.

    The fact that this would require a full rebalencing of the game is something I acknowledge. Hence why I am pitching this as a separate gamemode instead of as a change to the current one, too different to work with the current one.

  • TheRealDweardTheRealDweard Member Posts: 148

    @NuclearBurrito2 said:

    @Peanits said:
    I'm not sure this could work unless the game was entirely reworked from the ground up. This would essentially mean that you are guaranteed to get a hit every 20-30 seconds. With that in mind, it would become less about who can outplay the other and more of a race against the clock. Your ability in a chase wouldn't be nearly as important as your teammates ability to do generators.

    I feel like this would take all skill out of the game. Catching someone as the killer isn't about capitalizing on someone's mistakes or mindgames, it'd just be about walking after someone until they can't sprint anymore. Survivor wouldn't be about trying to outsmart the killer and knowing how to run tiles, it would just be about doing generators as fast as possible before the killer has time to down everyone.

    The only way I can see this working is if killers also had the same mechanic, though this would not work as-is because killers have a wide variety of powers that would circumvent that (blinking as the nurse, chainsaw sprinting as the hillbilly, etc.). If the killer has more stamina, the system would be negligible as killer. If the killers have the same amount of stamina, there would be a very real chance that the killer runs out of stamina first and can't possibly catch up.

    I'm also not sure how much of an effect removing scratch marks would have. So long as you can keep track of that survivor for the first ~20 seconds, you can hit them and cause them to bleed. The blood trail would be very easy to follow. At this point they will also been groaning in pain so unless they are running Iron Will, it's going to be impossible for them to lose you. It would also be hard to lose a killer when they know you're going to try to hide after ~20 seconds in a chase.

    The short version, I think this would basically just be free downs for the killer. I feel like this would take a lot of skill out of the game and just turn it into a race against the clock. You're more or less just getting a super bloodlust every 20 seconds, whether you break pallets or not.

    The fact that this would require a full rebalencing of the game is something I acknowledge. Hence why I am pitching this as a separate gamemode instead of as a change to the current one, too different to work with the current one.

    Why would survivors want to play such a gamemode? Also balancing this gamemode would probably be a huge waste of time. I would rather see the devs do something else with their resources.

  • White_OwlWhite_Owl Member Posts: 1,895
    edited February 11

    Nothing would ruin my immersion more than having my character stopping to take a break while a murderous psycopath is chasing him.

  • AntiJellyAntiJelly Member Posts: 941

    What if when the stamina bar ran out, instead of walking, you ran at like 85-90% speed?

  • PeanitsPeanits Dev, Community Manager Posts: 4,516

    @Peanits said:
    I'm not sure this could work unless the game was entirely reworked from the ground up. This would essentially mean that you are guaranteed to get a hit every 20-30 seconds. With that in mind, it would become less about who can outplay the other and more of a race against the clock. Your ability in a chase wouldn't be nearly as important as your teammates ability to do generators.

    I feel like this would take all skill out of the game. Catching someone as the killer isn't about capitalizing on someone's mistakes or mindgames, it'd just be about walking after someone until they can't sprint anymore. Survivor wouldn't be about trying to outsmart the killer and knowing how to run tiles, it would just be about doing generators as fast as possible before the killer has time to down everyone.

    The only way I can see this working is if killers also had the same mechanic, though this would not work as-is because killers have a wide variety of powers that would circumvent that (blinking as the nurse, chainsaw sprinting as the hillbilly, etc.). If the killer has more stamina, the system would be negligible as killer. If the killers have the same amount of stamina, there would be a very real chance that the killer runs out of stamina first and can't possibly catch up.

    I'm also not sure how much of an effect removing scratch marks would have. So long as you can keep track of that survivor for the first ~20 seconds, you can hit them and cause them to bleed. The blood trail would be very easy to follow. At this point they will also been groaning in pain so unless they are running Iron Will, it's going to be impossible for them to lose you. It would also be hard to lose a killer when they know you're going to try to hide after ~20 seconds in a chase.

    The short version, I think this would basically just be free downs for the killer. I feel like this would take a lot of skill out of the game and just turn it into a race against the clock. You're more or less just getting a super bloodlust every 20 seconds, whether you break pallets or not.

    The fact that this would require a full rebalencing of the game is something I acknowledge. Hence why I am pitching this as a separate gamemode instead of as a change to the current one, too different to work with the current one.

    I get ya'. But then we also have to consider if that would be worth the time it would take to do. Would enough people want to play that? Would there be enough players to support to game modes simultaneously? Most importantly, would it be worth the time to make such a radically different game mode? Doing so would take a lot of work from a bunch of different departments. There would need to be new animations for tired survivors, many killers would need their powers reworked, maps would need to be balanced to compensate for the slower speeds and shorter chases, etc. You would also need to continually support both modes and make sure both are as balanced as possible, which would either require doubling the team or being spread thing, slowing the release of new content and balance changes.

    As a separate mode, yes, it could work. But it would be a tremendous undertaking for something that not everyone will like and would slow down production of the rest of the game. That's not too say it's impossible, but the big question is whether it's worth the time, or whether it would be better off balancing things in some other way.
  • IhatelifeIhatelife Member Posts: 3,476

    Yes, let's make this game more boring

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