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We Are (Actually) Legion (Legion Overhaul)

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  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    @MhhBurgers said:

    @Shad03 said:

    @iceman2kx said:
    Rework soon, as in the same with Freddy and DS getting a rework soon? If that's the case, we'll be waiting a couple years I guess. I just bought this killer and he's complete garbage. He's even worse than Freddy. It's almost better to just run around the map and not even use his power. Hope this gets fixed soon.

    DS is getting a rework around the next patch (thank the Entity in all her malevolent power), Freddy will also be getting a rework. I'd suggest you practice with Legion. I got to rank 1 with them and can get at least two kills, sometimes 3 to 4 if I play like a sweaty try hard.

    Anyways, I hope the devs do something to give the Legion some love.

    You can pip with legion without hooking a single person, I did that during my depip session, the only guy I killed was with rancor because I like to see the animation, it's so violent it gives me a boner. So getting to R1 as legion is not an achievement.

    The thing is I've been trying to get to r1 WITHOUT using any of his 'no brain' tactics. I've played like how I always play with any killer, I chase, I stab, I knock down. If I can use his power in a beneficial way for me, then I use it. I go out of my way to kill people.

    So it might not be a achievement for you, but for someone like me it is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though :eh:

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    @Mr_Black said:
    I have an idea!
    The Legion would look like and act like a survivor... They would be able to repair gens (degrades them) and heal others (down them after 2 seconds after healing them)... The legion would have 5 options... 4 of which would be the survivors who he's facing (including the cosmetics) and the other would be Legion... Switching forms would take 6 seconds... He'd have no TR when a survivor but a TR of 32 when Legion... This would confuse the survivors and would keep the survivors away from eachother and it would make it difficult to trust others...

    Yeah yeah, this could work.

    All you have to do is pray you get into a lobby filled with solos and no one else. I tell you, even though my own power through swf is not as good as I would like, me and my buddies would squash this Legion no problem. People had wanted a killer like this for a while but unfortunately, this wouldn't work.

    At least you gave something rather then a straight up nerf like you did earlier.

  • MhhBurgersMhhBurgers Member Posts: 1,776
    edited February 25

    @Shad03 said:

    @MhhBurgers said:

    @Shad03 said:

    @iceman2kx said:
    Rework soon, as in the same with Freddy and DS getting a rework soon? If that's the case, we'll be waiting a couple years I guess. I just bought this killer and he's complete garbage. He's even worse than Freddy. It's almost better to just run around the map and not even use his power. Hope this gets fixed soon.

    DS is getting a rework around the next patch (thank the Entity in all her malevolent power), Freddy will also be getting a rework. I'd suggest you practice with Legion. I got to rank 1 with them and can get at least two kills, sometimes 3 to 4 if I play like a sweaty try hard.

    Anyways, I hope the devs do something to give the Legion some love.

    You can pip with legion without hooking a single person, I did that during my depip session, the only guy I killed was with rancor because I like to see the animation, it's so violent it gives me a boner. So getting to R1 as legion is not an achievement.

    The thing is I've been trying to get to r1 WITHOUT using any of his 'no brain' tactics. I've played like how I always play with any killer, I chase, I stab, I knock down. If I can use his power in a beneficial way for me, then I use it. I go out of my way to kill people.

    So it might not be a achievement for you, but for someone like me it is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though :eh:

    a "no brain" tactic would be stabbing everytime even if a survivor is out in the open. A nobrain playstyle would be never using his m2

    Sometimes it's good to chain your M2 for example at a pallet, if you hit somebody in the open ofc you'd go for the regular m1.

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    @MhhBurgers said:

    @Shad03 said:

    @MhhBurgers said:

    @Shad03 said:

    @iceman2kx said:
    Rework soon, as in the same with Freddy and DS getting a rework soon? If that's the case, we'll be waiting a couple years I guess. I just bought this killer and he's complete garbage. He's even worse than Freddy. It's almost better to just run around the map and not even use his power. Hope this gets fixed soon.

    DS is getting a rework around the next patch (thank the Entity in all her malevolent power), Freddy will also be getting a rework. I'd suggest you practice with Legion. I got to rank 1 with them and can get at least two kills, sometimes 3 to 4 if I play like a sweaty try hard.

    Anyways, I hope the devs do something to give the Legion some love.

    You can pip with legion without hooking a single person, I did that during my depip session, the only guy I killed was with rancor because I like to see the animation, it's so violent it gives me a boner. So getting to R1 as legion is not an achievement.

    The thing is I've been trying to get to r1 WITHOUT using any of his 'no brain' tactics. I've played like how I always play with any killer, I chase, I stab, I knock down. If I can use his power in a beneficial way for me, then I use it. I go out of my way to kill people.

    So it might not be a achievement for you, but for someone like me it is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though :eh:

    a "no brain" tactic would be stabbing everytime even if a survivor is out in the open. A nobrain playstyle would be never using his m2

    Hmmnn. Half the community would disagree with you, then. Cause apparently from what I've heard a 'no brain' tactic would be to just stab and tunnel the same person over and over again or just following the blood. I use the tools at my disposal, if attacking normally is beneficial, I'll regular attack. More people around, I'll use Frenzy. Anyways, I see what you're saying.

    And I got no more to add to that train of thought either.

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    Bump

    Changed some wordings in the original post for a smoother read. Mostly for how the effects work.

  • DarkskiesDarkskies Member Posts: 531

    Honestly I love enjoy legion as killer and as a survouir. I've had really fun games playing and against I have no idea why everyone is hating on them. People say there's no counter but maybe drop your meta perks and think outside the box experiment keep apart! It's the kinda same thing as freddy or seems that way.. can't be bothered to try different play style or different play styles oh no we can just demand changes. I feel sorry for the devs with this kinda mentality ☹️

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    @Darkskies Don't get me wrong, I love playing as and against the Legion too. However, seeing as how they were getting reworked anyways, I wanted to throw my mask into the ring for my own idea. Which is less a rework and more of a overhaul.

    I also want to have a reason to have all four in a match together, so it truly feels like you are up against four killer teens working together.

  • DarkskiesDarkskies Member Posts: 531

    BTW that's not meant as a horrible comment great job on thinking of changes etc I just don't understand the hate legion gets 🙂

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    @Darkskies I know ^_^

    You and me both on that last part though. People need to learn to adapt.

    I foresee comments coming. I think they'll be along the lines of:

    "There is no counterplay." "Explain how to counterplay FMT and Moon Walking".

    Urgh. I just want feedback on the original post, I put my blood and sweat into it.

  • DarkskiesDarkskies Member Posts: 531

    I would have had moments when I'm walking around trying to find gens and I see a running survouir I'm like oh great team work! Only to get closer and get a terror heart beat then I'm like oh hey legion! I would really enjoy legion to have a mind game ability to act or micic survouirs. I think that would be really fun and also that's what I got from the trailer that oh we are working together but then to get stabbed I was so hoping for that tbh.Your ideas sound cool I like the idea of all legions being on the map as kinda look outs but doubt they could do swapping sounds like crazy coding plus different elements to them probably to much information going on for the game.

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    @Darkskies Yeah I know.

    I wouldn't mind a sort of stalking mechanic though. However, I feel like that is just a easy way out.

  • Divinitye9Divinitye9 Member Posts: 210

    A mori with all four of them involved would be interesting. All four legion members ganging up on the survivor would actually make Legion look like a credible threat.

  • Saint_UkraineSaint_Ukraine Member Posts: 939

    I would love it if all characters were present in the same match. It might even open up a new possibility of a lore-based mori. Imagine the Legion crowding around a survivor and all stabbing them to death? That would be awesome. I like that you would make the idle characters still interact with survivors, by the way. I don't know if this would be overpowered or not, but coming from a survivor main, I'm not entirely opposed. :)

  • KurisataruKurisataru Member Posts: 433

    I don't mind the idea of other legion cosmetics standing around being like spies from the shadows but i think the whole idea is too much. Like base speeds and abilities. I think I'd rather just see them as little Maurices and they can make their own unique sounds constantly. Like Julie can be cackling under her breath, Joey can ask you where you're going or whistle, Susie could be heard kicking her foot and breathing heavy to calm down like she's nervous behind her mask. I just imagine the game having to change so much or the devs thinking so far out the box that newer killers become to foreign compared to older ones if we mess with the legions and make them more than cosmetics.

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    I know. I just want... SOMETHING to do with them being a Legion. Having some power that complements it. But we all know this is not gonna be used, and besides, it'll probably set a higher standard or something.

    But anyways, having the other three being something like little Maurices would be pretty cool.

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    That would be incredible. Would love to have them each of them included in a mori.

    I had it so that the idle members at base kit would only give off an alert. And their mixtapes would allow for them to attack, plus that's what the fuming mixtape is for. Would be interesting to see.

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    Mm. Yes, all four murdering one poor soul. David King and Jeff would not stand a chance.

  • Divinitye9Divinitye9 Member Posts: 210

    It has always troubled with the legion of the idea of one teenager taking on full grown adults, even some as jacked as David.

    Yes the legion has a knife (or a ruler with a compass point taped to it), but he or she could easily be overpowered.

    I wholeheartedly agree that the entire legion should be on the playing field. They are strong as a unit, not as an individual. A mori would actually show the full power of an entity driven group of psychopathic teens.

    I can just never take the legion seriously because of their current state.

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    Amen to that.

    Though to be fair anybody with a weapon can kill or harm a unarmed individual. This is especially the case when that somebody has a ancient being guiding them.

    David King could easily tear the Hag apart, she's skinny as a twig. A good punch is all that is needed.

  • NoodleLegsNoodleLegs Member Posts: 323

    I, uh, made this.


  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    @NoodleLegs I never smiled so hard in my life.

  • NoodleLegsNoodleLegs Member Posts: 323
    edited March 27

    @Shad03 Thx I tried

    Edit: I have another one


  • ZanferZanfer Member Posts: 642

    Devs would need AI for the ultra rare addons which has never been done before which would take a super long time to develop

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    @Zanfer Could be something simple. And if they would be willing to do this I'll be willing to wait for it. It's not like people wanna learn to adapt to Legion anyways.

    But honestly, this is the most complex thing that has graced the forums. I'm fine with something much simpler too.

  • ZanferZanfer Member Posts: 642

    Yeah of course I am not saying "They shouldn't do it". The problem is there are lots of things that break whenever this game updates. The devs have to spend time on a variety of issues that occur whenever a new killer comes out. Trying to make AI work functional in this game with a lot of variables is difficult. For example: AI idle animations might get stuck in specific objects. Dropped pallets, might get stuck going through windows, etc. Any interaction this AI might do will cause at least one or more bugs when completed. It will take a while, but I also wanna see some love to Freddy too. People say Leatherface needs an overhaul, but I like him the way he is imo.


    I am all for a legion change to make him more fun. In my opinion they just need to fix the chase mechanic cause that is the only way half of the legion players down me is by barley looking away and downing you. When the chase mechanic is fixed to where chase would start in x meters away even when the killer isn't looking at you (this would be vertically so if the killer is on the ground and someone is on a second story than the chase would not go on. (This is just a simple change to chase, but I know they can do better than this)

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    Freddy of course needs love. ANd all Leatherface needs is for his add ons to actually mean something.

    The only change, the only REAL change Legion needs, is a longer and faster base Feral Frenzy. With add ons to compensate for it. I honestly feel like a proximity would actually make the situation worse, because I know how people could exploit it. Since it'd become a built in whispers. Plus the chase starting would make things even more confusing. Sometimes I enter a chase and I'm like 'Wait, there is a person here?' And I end up wasting my time.

  • ZanferZanfer Member Posts: 642

    Yeah true. Built in whispers could be annoying was just trying to think of something on the spot. Also you want legion to have longer and faster feral frenzy since the only one who can break pallets is Joey? The issue that people have with legion is you get outskilled by a killer who has really fast cooldown on missed attacks and really good tracking will always get you hit by frenzy every time. Making the killer go faster with the power will just be more annoying and harder to get away from the current state it is in now.

  • Shad03Shad03 Member Posts: 3,722

    I meant the current Legion we have now.

    As for my overhaul, I am thinking of ways to have balance without being op. Susie and Joey would be the only ones to have Feral Frenzy, but it'd be the same stats as of now.

    The only thing this current Legion needs is what I stated. The devs wanted this killer to be a hit and run type, but they failed in giving them the speed/duration to do that. Which is why people exploit them.

    I also hope the Pin add ons get reworked -.-

  • TrashLegionMainTrashLegionMain Member Posts: 14
    edited April 1

    This sounds like it'd be REALLY hard to code and balance, but also be REALLY h*cking cool.

  • TrashLegionMainTrashLegionMain Member Posts: 14

    ...Also, for the Cosmetic thing, how about without the cosmetics bought, everybody just has standard Legion masks? Instead of the fancy-schmancy crack thing Susie has, she just had a Legion mask, perhaps in a frown to make her different from the others. Joey could have no smile and just bloody big eyes, stuff like that. This could also give Julie and Frank new spicy cosmetics that are just as unique as Frank and Susie's.

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