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Why are they NERFing Thanatophobia to worse than it was in 2.5?

TSaundersTSaunders Member Posts: 4

After an exciting Thana buff announcement to 6/12/18/24% at Tier 3, the change has since been "reverted" according to the devs. But it was not "reverted", they actually nerfed it. The new Thanatophobia for patch 2.6 is now 4/8/12/16% at Tier 3, down from 6/9/12/15% at Tier 3 in patch 2.5.

I don't understand the concept of nerfing what was already a bad perk. You made it 1% higher if all four survivors are injured, which is useless, it's the lower numbers that have the most impact because you will almost never have all 4 people in the required states simultaneously, and if you do it won't be for long.

I suggest making the first couple of numbers much higher and then give diminishing increases at the top, that would make it much more viable. How about 10/12/14/16% for example? That would make the perk so much better and actually useful. Also, having it work on dead survivors would be ideal also.

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  • Wolf74Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,894

    Survivor complained about it and got their way… again.

    Just forget about Thana. Just don't use it. It was a bad perk before and now it got even worse. It's just a waste of bloodpoints in the bloodweb.

    Killers can't have nice things, because it would spoil the precious survivors "fun".

  • jackkn12jackkn12 Member Posts: 336

    What? So I thought they were buffing it? Really devs. Did they give in to survivors again?

  • Wolf74Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,894

    @jackkn12

    Survivor complained about it being to long of "pressing M1"... which is "unfun" for survivor.

    And all calculation examples of course included Sloppy Butcher, Self Care and 4 injured survivor... just to show that it is waaaaaay to long and unbearable to survivor to expect them to heal for sooooo long.

  • EvelineEveline Member Posts: 2,340

    Yep. Bullying the killer must be easier. If you heal you waste time doing something else. And there is not enough insta heals and decisives.

  • ChesterTheMolesterChesterTheMolester Member Posts: 2,551

    They also nerfed Devour Hope...

  • jackkn12jackkn12 Member Posts: 336

    So now survivors are going to be op? Does killers get weak with this patch?

  • Wolf74Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,894

    @ChesterTheMolester

    "They also nerfed Devour Hope..."

    Really?? How? In which way?

  • ChesterTheMolesterChesterTheMolester Member Posts: 2,551
    edited March 16

    They included the speed boost on all tiers, which hurts more than you gain since they get alerted before it has any real effect.

    The secret of this perk was to use either T1 (Myers, Billy, LF for example) or T2 so they don't know whats gping on before you instadown or mori them.

    I know the DH change has good intentions yet its still a nerf.

  • projecteulogyprojecteulogy Member Posts: 345


    You power through Thana. Just like Ruin. It works on those who don't have any patience.

  • Tzeentchling9Tzeentchling9 Member Posts: 791

    The Survivors don't get alerted when the Killer has Haste, they still won't know Devour Hope is in play until you have 3 stacks and hit one.

  • Mister_xDMister_xD Member Posts: 1,468

    cuz thanatophobia OP.

    just like freddy.

  • TrAiNwReCkTrAiNwReCk Member Posts: 246

    Could someone direct my to where these changes are stated? I have looked all over and can't find where players are getting the information.

    Thanks in advance!

  • No_Mither_No_ProblemNo_Mither_No_Problem Member Posts: 1,041

    I’m not sure which is worse: The fact they nerfed Thanatophobia, or the fact they nerfed Fire Up.

  • BongbingbingBongbingbing Member Posts: 655

    Because added time is considered unfun for survivors, I don't get it.

    Killers desperately need something to help slow down the game with the current gen times.

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 9,723

    Too much blaming in legion+thana I guess.

    But whatever, lets tunnel instead =)

  • SharmarkoSharmarko Member Posts: 50
    edited March 16

    Thats because healing and holding M1 is so boring. The Thanata buff would just annoy 3/5th of the playerbase.



    I want killers to have more time in trials by giving survivors more objectives, not just holding M1. And I don't mean more skillchecks either, I mean actual objectives like collecting gas or picking up parts of broken generator machinery and carrying it around.

  • jackkn12jackkn12 Member Posts: 336

    I agree with you:) if we get raged at soo be it xd let's do some tunneling :)

  • jackkn12jackkn12 Member Posts: 336

    They could add more time that it takes to repair em. Or they could add other objectives.

  • MineAntoiyaMineAntoiya Member Posts: 528

    They don't want the game to result to "lets add more time onto doing everything so it's more balanced" it's a horrible bandage idea. The killer does need more time, so they're thinking about other ways to keep survivors occupied.

  • Wolf74Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,894

    So we have two issues.

    1. Killer need more time.
    2. Survivor don't like getting slowed down.

    So lets see who the Devs want to please with this update?

    Any guesses? :P

  • NaiadNaiad Member Posts: 141

    But wouldn't you rather the devs fix the base game and give more objectives for a survivors to do, therefore extending the game, than rely on perks to do that? That's what I'm hoping for anyway. Adding more time on gens will just result in survivors bringing toolboxes/perks for gen speed in more regularly. Whereas if you give survivors a mandatory secondary objective you extend all your matches and not just the ones where you're relying on perks or survs not to bring in items.

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 965
    edited March 16

    According to the Q&A, they changed the numbers for Fire Up from the PTB so that each token adds 4% instead of 3%. Now, it's only a nerf on 2 tokens (10% to 8%), unchanged on 3 tokens (still 12%), and a buff on 1 (0% to 4%), 4 (14% to 16%), and 5 tokens (14% to 20%).

  • jackkn12jackkn12 Member Posts: 336

    I do hope killers but IM thanking irs going to be survivors sadly. But yea killers need more time so the complaning survivors need to stop with all this buff that a or nerf that might as well call it survive by daylight lol

  • No_Mither_No_ProblemNo_Mither_No_Problem Member Posts: 1,041
    edited March 16

    So it’s only stronger than it was before at 4 and 5 gens completed, which, at that point, either one or both of these things has most likely happened:

    1. You’ve broken most of the pallets.
    2. You’ve basically already lost.

    So the point at which it’s at its strongest is the point at which it’s useless, meanwhile, its early game is still weaker than before while its mid-game remains the same.

    I’m sorry, but that’s still a nerf in my eyes.

  • blue4zionblue4zion Member Posts: 418

    The nerf on 1-2 injured survivors is stupid. It's not often you'll have more than that many injured survivors.


    GET RID OF THE HEALING DEBUFF ON THANA. KEEP THE PTB NUMBERS

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 965

    It was strengthened in 3/5 levels and nerfed in 1/5 levels. That's overall a buff.

  • RaptorrotasRaptorrotas Member Posts: 498

    From another discussion

    Actually the issue wasnt with:

    "Thanatophobia + Sloppy Butcher"

    The issue was with:

    "(Thanatophobia x 4) + Sloppy Butcher + Selfcare"

    My take on this situation is that survivors dont want to change their "Selfcare for gen-effiency" or "I'm injured but don't care" strategy/meta thats countered by a Killer using these 2 perks. The way i see it survivors could lessen this penalty by getting out of that meta and get healed by means other than selfcaring, afterall it's the biggest muliplier for the healing penalty.

    Its somehow like with the sound changes in this game, they try to fix or rework those but end up worse than before.

  • Wolf74Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,894

    @Raptorrotas

    Why do all people always calculate with 4 injured survivors if they talk about Thana?

    How often does that really happen?

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