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The new pip system should also be temporarily reverted

DocOctoberDocOctober Member Posts: 2,230
edited March 27 in Feedback and Suggestions

@Patricia @not_Queen

You should consider also reverting the new Pip system for now until you re-implement the new matchmaking. The old matchmaking's rank constraints paired with the difficulty of obtaining and maintaining red ranks for the average player, lead to red ranks being nearly deserted and people up there cannot play the game any more, and also have no means to lower their ranks without any games.

The new matchmaking pretty much ignored ranks for many lobbies so that wasn't a problem, but it is now.

EDIT: Just making it clear, because people apparently can't read properly. This is just meant as a TEMPORARY solution. I am not requesting a complete and permanent reversal of the new Pip System. Take that discussion elsewhere, please.

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  • FeleasFeleas Member Posts: 57

    Yes please!

  • sliptteesslipttees Member Posts: 441

    New system pip sucks!

  • JonathanskilzJonathanskilz Member Posts: 363

    No it actuelly makes you do more then only 1 thing the hole game keep it thanks.

  • PeasantPeasant Member Posts: 3,817

    @Jonathanskilz The new system is bad because it prevents people from playing the game entirely. We NEED to make it slightly easier or something otherwise customers will be unable to enjoy the BHVR product they've purchased.

  • DocOctoberDocOctober Member Posts: 2,230

    I suggest you read my post again, and carefully and thoroughly this time. I'm simply suggesting a TEMPORARY reversal for as long as we have the old matchmaking, because the old matchmaking prevents high ranked players from even playing the game with the new pip system.

  • JonathanskilzJonathanskilz Member Posts: 363

    When you say it prevented them from playing the game entirely you mean they dont finy any game at all cause i found a new game every time with this new system. Agree btw that rank 12 should not go against rank 20 btwwwwwwwwww if thats what you ment not sure

    I think the pip system is good now you actuelly have to do more then 1 thing to pip. Before i felt like i dont do annything and i still double pip or get 1 pip tbh

  • se05239se05239 Member Posts: 3,742

    This is going to be a really unpopular opinion.. BUT.. I kinda like the new stricter system.

    I did, however, not like the "new and improved" matchmaking in how it matched you with players on the opposite side of the ranking spectrum.. The new matchmaking was good for getting fast games though, that I cannot lie about.

  • Wolf74Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    I like the new pip system.

    At least as a killer.

    My upranking is slowed down and games when I would usually would get a 2 pip, I only get 1.

    So the time I spent in mid ranks is longer and can enjoy the game longer, because I do not hit the toxic red ranks that early.

    People could complain that I want "ez matches", but in fact, I myself doubt that I belong in that ranks.

    If all of you think that the powerlevel of survivor atm is correct, than I don't belong there. I think survivor are still to strong and that really shows at the high ranks.

    Since I do not play the top tier killer (Nurse, Billy, Huntress, Spirit), I am at a severe disadvantage at high ranks and don't want to play there.

    The new pip system keeps me at my proper rank (at least for the state of gamebalance that we have now); at least it keeps me there longer.

  • DocOctoberDocOctober Member Posts: 2,230

    @se05239 and @Wolf74

    This is not an appeal to completely revert the new pip system. I suggest both of you read the topic again.

  • PunLPunL Member Posts: 136

    I totally agree that the new pip system should be reverted!

    I think only the main killers say that it is fine as it is. As someone mentioned when a killer chases a surviver he fulfilles every emblem at once, whereas the surviver have to split up their actions and there is not enough to do for everyone to pip anyway.

    I can say that for myself it took a lot of my enjoyment from the game to only see me getting a black pip after a long and stressful game.

  • Wolf74Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959


    ²paired with the difficulty of obtaining and maintaining red ranks for the average player,"

    The "average" player shouldn't be in the red ranks to begin with.

    "The new matchmaking pretty much ignored ranks for many lobbies so that wasn't a problem,..."

    Which it shouldn't. A MM should pair people of similar skill and knowledge of the game. So ignoring ranks just to fill lobbies is a fail in my book.

  • LapisInfernalisLapisInfernalis Member Posts: 488
    edited March 27

    I like the new system for killer. Double pipping was way too easy (Legion and Spirit gave me often double pips). The only thing I do not like is the new Devout Emblem. Because forcing you to get 4k to get gold is a bit too much i.m.o let alone iridescent Devout with 9 hook events (all those [BAD WORD] Survivors who just kill themelves on the hook ruin it), but this may be due to the fact that you need to doublepip to get any Adept Killer now. This is the only thing that really bothers me on the killer side.

    For Survivor the new system is too harsh. I can understand that you have to do more at higher ranks but Survivors have a limited source for the emblems. To pip in the old system you needed to do everything a bit or one thing perfectly. Now you have to do everything and be good at it. The problem is, that the time you can do these things is short and the source is limited. I can either fix 2 1/2 Gens on my own OR being chased by the Killer OR unhook and heal 2 people. We don't have Hermione's Time Turner.

  • DocOctoberDocOctober Member Posts: 2,230
    edited March 27

    Oh for Entity's sake, people!

    This is not a [BAD WORD] discussion about how good or bad the new pip system is or if the average Joe should be in red ranks in the first place. You can take those discussions and take them elsewhere.

    All this is about, is asking the devs to TEMPORARILY revert the pip system to the old one UNTIL we have the new matchmaking back. The ONLY reason is that high ranked players can't play the game any more for the time being unless they wait horrendously long. That is because old MM and new PS do not mix well.

    I agree that the average Joe shouldn't be in red ranks in the first place, but that really isn't the point here, that's a completely different discussion, @Wolf74

    I simply want to allow high ranked players to be able to play the game until we get the new MM back.

  • DocOctoberDocOctober Member Posts: 2,230
  • Wolf74Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    I don't think that you can separate this points. They need to get discussed together.

  • DocOctoberDocOctober Member Posts: 2,230

    For the last time: this is NOT why I'm asking for the PS to be temporarily reverted.

    I won't discuss this any further with you in this thread. It is NOT what it is about. Period.

  • Wolf74Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    Are you aware that you can't forbid people to discuss things?

    Some people -me included- think that these things belong to each other and you can't just cherry pick and say no.

    I can't see your reason for this beside you saying "cause I said so".

  • Aven_FallenAven_Fallen Member Posts: 2,050

    100% agreed.

    The new Pipping System does not work together with the old Matchmaking. It needs to be reverted for now and reviewed again. And if stricter Ranking System is implemented again, it should be with a (also reviewed) version of the new Matchmaking.

    Both together will work, only one of those does not work.

  • DocOctoberDocOctober Member Posts: 2,230

    I can't forbid you other than getting a mod involved in this for derailment. However, I'll choose the other option, that I mentioned above: I'll ignore further discussion attempts of the pip system in THIS thread.

  • Wolf74Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    So please explain to me (again) what is your issue here?

    Because I fail to see how those things are non related and how you put them apart.

    Is this all about a band aid fix for red rank players to get lobbies?

    I tried rereading your stuff, but it does not become any more obvious to me.

    So please elaborate your point.

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,208

    The actual problem is that there is still no reason to rank up, now they just created another reaosn not to rank up.....

    I believe that if there were actualyl (significant) rewards, then a lot more players would be active and try to rank up, reducing high rank queue time by a lot.

  • Promak28Promak28 Member Posts: 1

    3 gold 1 silver 0 points to rank what my new purpose in game ? kill mayers steal huntress axe for extra points? before too easy get rank now almost impossible.

  • Wolf74Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959


    That's actually a good point that I can understand and support.

  • TheBeanTheBean Member Posts: 2,144
    edited March 27

    This is funny to be honest.

    Killers still have no issues ranking up...

    Survivors are not even bothering for the most part.

    New match making brings in groups of rank 10 players for the red rank killers which causes them to rank up more and push survivors down even more.

    Revert match making for a bit... everyone cools off except those that the new MM was supposed to help.

    Revert it back to the new one... Continue crushing their survivor community in ranks even more.

    I don't even understand how they ever think survivors can climb up when you get into the green or purple ranks as survivor and start being matched up with red rank killers because they have no one to play against.

    Talk about crushing their survivor community in ranks. I'm glad I don't want to rank up anymore... cause this would be ruining my experience in the game.

  • Wolf74Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    Ranking up always was beneficial only to survivor… or better said for SOLO survivor, because you got better teammates in high ranks.

    For killer ranking up was always bad.

  • NightsongNightsong Member Posts: 14
    edited April 6

    "for killer ranking up was always bad" i laughed at that,killer do pip quite easily with that pip system, chasing around a survivor fill up your emblems in at least 2 maybe 3 emblems, while it only fill one for the survivor when in chase.

    In the other part for survivors you need to do good at saving/healing people at least 2 people, doing 2 gens and another half of one, juking the killer all at the same time.

    Lately all games i've played are approximatly mostly are safety, rarely pipping and some times depip ( green ranks)

    edit: legion do pip up pretty easily

  • HeroiqHeroiq Member Posts: 866


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