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Why does No Mither not have 100% noise reduction?

No_Mither_No_ProblemNo_Mither_No_Problem Member Posts: 1,201

This is something that has baffled me for a long, long time now. I understand it's a "hardmode" Perk, but it's very clear that the "hardmode" comes from constantly being on a 1-hit down, not from being nearly unable to be stealthy unless you run Iron Will.

I've been mad at this for a long time. You already have to waste a quarter of your Perk slots JUST to make the game harder for yourself; by wasting that Perk slot, you by default have to waste half of your Perk slots on equipping No Mither and Iron Will just so that you can retain your ability to hide from the Killer.

I think No Mither is a fun Perk to run. But that's just it: I like running Perks that make the game feel more fun. And though I do think Iron Will is a fun Perk, if I already have No Mither, Iron Will isn't a fun Perk. It's a forced Perk. Having no choice but to kill my Perk variety just to turn on hardmode isn't fun. What if I want to use that Perk slot for a build? What if I want to combine No Mither, Resilience, This Is Not Happening, and Stake Out to do a gen Mither build, or combine it with Urban Evasion, Quick and Quiet, and Dance With Me to do a stealth Mither build? But no, I have to waste an entire Perk slot on Iron Will just so the idea of hiding from the Killer with No Mither on is even a possibility.

This is exaggerated by the fact that unless you're a high-tier player in a chase, you're going to want to be hiding from the Killer more often because, well, you're constantly on a 1-hit down. But by not giving No Mither a 100% noise reduction, you're strong-armed into using up that extra Perk slot on Iron Will, just so you can be able to do at all what a Perk like No Mither heavily relies on you doing. By making stealth a more valuable mechanic to the player, No Mither should enhance your ability to be stealthy, not damn near erase it.

In short: No Mither should have a 100% noise reduction, because it needs it. The Perk encourages you to play stealthy yet makes stealth nearly impossible without wasting half your Perk slots and killing the variety of fun, useful, or interesting builds you can run.


  • NuclearBurritoNuclearBurrito Member Posts: 1,449

    You know. This is why I feel like No Mither = Hard mode is silly.

    If you really want to make yourself a 1 hit down then after you get hit throw yourself at the Killer so he can down you for free.

    The only reason to run no mither is to get some benefit out of it, since otherwise you could just not run it and get the challenge anyways that you enforce yourself.

  • drunky26drunky26 Member Posts: 424

    But no one uses it so it's ok.

  • No_Mither_No_ProblemNo_Mither_No_Problem Member Posts: 1,201

    ... To make the game more of a challenge for people who are especially good at Survivor?

    Like, what other reason could there possibly be?

  • No_Mither_No_ProblemNo_Mither_No_Problem Member Posts: 1,201

    No one uses Distortion, so I don’t see what your point is.

  • MochanMochan Member Posts: 184

    No Mither is actually a good perk, not as a "hard mode" perk (that's dumb as rocks, if you want Hard Mode don't play with Perks) but because it gives some nice benefits -- including being the only counter to Bloodhound.

    The main issue is it has too many drawbacks. It's just badly designed. The noise reduction needs to be fixed to 100%, and the Broken Indicator should not be shown so that it's at least a surprise until your first hit or first sighting and the Killer sees your injured.

    Perk needs to be reworked, it is sadly in need of some kind of change.

  • TreemanXDTreemanXD Member Posts: 4,300

    I agree with you no mither.

  • EndorbEndorb Member Posts: 76

    Here's how I see it; No Mither is a challenge perk, and one people will get angry if it's made not as challenging. The only balancing I see that will make people happy is if No Mither buffs your fellow survivors without buffing yourself; that doesn't eliminate the "hard mode" aspect, while not ruining your teammates' chances of survival

    I also fully agree with this (except calling people stupid):

  • KeanuqwertyKeanuqwerty Member Posts: 20

    no mither is a good perk if you like it, and its a bad perk if you dont.

    why do people even bother arguing about it, there is a reason david has it, because he doesnt care, and i dont care, exept when people argue about a perk but use the exact same arguments against eachother.

  • No_Mither_No_ProblemNo_Mither_No_Problem Member Posts: 1,201

    For someone so against vapid arguing, you seem to be adding quite a lot to the discussion with very insightful comments.

  • TheluckyboiTheluckyboi Member Posts: 721

    Agreed, it is stupid


  • NuclearBurritoNuclearBurrito Member Posts: 1,449

    I mean it somewhat counters Legion. Since he just uses Frenzy to make you a 1 hit down anyways, this lets you be stealthy even after he gets the free hit on you.

    But I mean, if that's your greatest and really only strength then you're a shit perk.

    The only other benefit is in a sabo build. Since you can break the hooks and when the Killer goes to down you he can't slug you, but since you broke the hooks he can't hook you either. Pain-reliever made a video which includes using this strategy to keep the Killer force to repeatedly down him for 2 minutes before he could hook him.

  • KillermainBTWm8KillermainBTWm8 Member Posts: 1,263

    I use it in my main build although I don't experience a prob with it due to running OoO with it also. Stealth isn't that great currently but it would be nice to be able to hide with it I admit.

  • fluffybunnyfluffybunny Member Posts: 2,075

    They should give it a BP increase if that's actually what they're going to go with.

  • C3ToothC3Tooth Member Posts: 21

    I have a question, does No mither leave no scratch mark when Downed?

  • HazeHoundHazeHound Member Posts: 413

    Because that's what iron will is for.

  • Ember_HunterEmber_Hunter Member Posts: 297

    There are no scratch marks as long as you are NOT running. But there is blood.

  • No_Mither_No_ProblemNo_Mither_No_Problem Member Posts: 1,201
    edited May 15
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