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How Final Destination and DBD are connected.

Detective_JonathanDetective_Jonathan Member Posts: 1,165

This took me awhile to come think up and try and connect, as i studied the lore of both DBD and the FD franchise and how they could be connected. So i went back to the beginning with Dwight, and his transition into the Entities realm. It made me wonder how that could interfere with Deaths design. Because as well know. When it's your time to die, Death will take you.

But The Entity, as we all know, is a malevolent force, much like Death, and made me wonder. What if she (The Entity) didn't know at the time that she was interfering with the design, because it wasn't Dwights time to die, the same goes for Meg, Nea, Jake and the others up until getting down to Adam. It's when i realized that up until we got to Adam Francis. Adam Francis as we all know has a very interesting transition, where he was boarding a train and was on his way to some unknown destination.

Now this is what i think happened, Death was enraged with The Entity and her interference and could have easily killed her, seeing as well, he is in control of who lives and dies (That is when he receives orders from the man above) The Entity though, ever so quick on her feet struck a deal with Death. If we pay attention to the FD movies we all know that their is some kind of natural disaster that happens, claiming the lives of those that are present during the event. So the deal was this, whenever Death caused some kind of cataclysmic event, The Entity would be allowed to take one and only one person to her realm. That way, she would be able to get the nutrition and food that she needs and that way Death can clock in that persons soul.

Sorry if this was so long, i have been taking quite some time away from the game to detoxify and everything, but am still keeping up to date with the lore and everything. Hope you guys enjoy this read though, and feel free to let me know what you think.

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  • Walker_of_the_fog_96Walker_of_the_fog_96 Member Posts: 600

    oh, my friend blows my head every time you write these things ... you did it again 😲

  • ReikoMoriReikoMori Member Posts: 1,278

    I would like to counter this with the fact that a lot of the entity's victims on both sides were taken at the moment of their death. Rin taken after her murder. Lisa taken after her death due to wounds from being used as food. Jane when she crashed her car into the water. Plague when fled to a cave where she started to succumb to the sickness she tried to cure. Tapp when he was bleeding out from having his throat slashed.

    What if the Entity is drawn to those close to their own death or responsible for the deaths of other because they are in fact Death itself. The Entity could very well just be a secondary aspect of death that exists as a cosmic antithesis to a proper passing. Every survivor is taken because they can serve as a good source of hope to feed on. That means that these people in general need to be strong willed in some way that makes their death something that can be properly taken. There are outliers of course, but if we're talking Final Destination Death. That primordial force would never accept another taking from it. The only way I could see the two being connected is if FDD couldn't prevent the Entity from doing what it does. The only sensible idea from there is that either they need each other or one is just an aspect of the other that must carry out its actions.

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 11,721

    Death is not malevolent. It performs its tasks with a certain Machiavellian flair, but it's simply a force of nature, trying to make sure the natural order is maintained.

    The Entity, on the other hand, is malevolent, actively feeding on the souls of the people whom She traps in Her realm until they're nothing but withered husks.

  • Detective_JonathanDetective_Jonathan Member Posts: 1,165

    I would like to add that i was going off of the survivors, not killers, simply saying that because you list some characters in there. Also, a simple car accident could have been caused by Death. and in that instance Death allowed The Entity to take her soul, while he clocked in her soul on the chart. We don't know that. @ReikoMori


    Also @Orion I am not referring to our world of Death, but the Death in Final Destination was a malevolent force to be reckoned with, seeing as though it has a design to uphold and follow. And those that managed to cheat it would die in horrific ways, (Example: Ian Mckinley from FD 3, or Isaac from FD 5)

    (Taken from The Final Destination Wiki)

    In the Final Destination series, Death (also known as The Grim Reaper) is an active, cunning, volatile, highly malevolent, supernatural, personified force, and the series' primary antagonist. While invisible to people, it nevertheless makes a somewhat noticeable and ominous presence wherever it goes and can manipulate any aspect of an environment to its will. Although the character of Death is never seen, in truth it is an entity that wants its design to never be violated.

    While you are right about it being a neutral force and it operating in a machiavellian flair, it's still a dangerous supernatural force that will punish anyone that breaks it's design, hence why people die in gruesome ways should the design be broken. Keep in mind that The Entity is able to travel to different universes and worlds (Detective Tapp and every other Licensed Character we have in the game) and she could have possibly gotten into it with Death in some other universe or timeline.

  • VolfawottVolfawott Member Posts: 2,195

    @Orion

    It's heavily implied that death in the Final Destination franchises is a sadistic douche.

    In the novels and the comics it's even implied that death is the one that gives the premonition to the survivors just to make things interesting.

    The drawn out needless brutality of the survivors deaths is also something that death just does for giggles. it's very capable of killing them off quickly and efficiently it just chooses not to instead opting for the more torturous drawn-out methods


    Honestly when you look into the Comics and the novels it pretty much reveals that Death is just a massive troll that does a lot of this stuff because it's bored.


    If you want an example from the movies a good example is from final destination 2.

    The fact that it waits until after they think they've saved Isabella and her baby losing two of the group members in the process before it drops the bombshell that lol she wasn't even meant to die.

    Another example from Final Destination 4 ( yeah that travesty) is the fact that death waits until Jonathan is out of his coma before it starts to rube Goldberg him even though technically on the death list he was supposed to die before hunt and Janet however death didn't see it as a fun thing to kill a guy in a coma.

    If released talking about Final Destination, death is very malicious and sadistic

  • AetherBytesAetherBytes Member Posts: 966

    the only problem is that is Final Destination always shows the kills, no-one just disappears. The Entity also forcefully takes some people, as she did with Kate (Or whoever the guitar girl is).

  • VolfawottVolfawott Member Posts: 2,195

    @AetherBytes

    I don't think that will be a problem.

    Amanda and Tapp both had their death Death scenes shown which integrated into the Dead by daylight lore of everything going black for them and then waking up in the entity's realm.


    So it's not out of the question for someone from the Final Destination films to share a similar thing after their death everything goes black and they just wake up in the entity's realm with none of the injuries they received whilst dying.

    Personally if I had to pick any survivors I would say Clear or Olivia.

  • Chaddad2169Chaddad2169 Member Posts: 748

    I like your argument but I have one little nitpick

    Tapp didn't die from his neck wound, he died from a bullet to the chest, whilst he was bleeding out from the bullet, the entity took him.

  • Detective_JonathanDetective_Jonathan Member Posts: 1,165

    @Chaddad2169 You also have to take in account that there is a chance he could still be alive, they never found his body down there (I don't count the games as canon) so all in all he could still be alive, when and if he manages to escape, he might end up in the same place where he was before.

  • Chaddad2169Chaddad2169 Member Posts: 748

    We have to take into account that the SAW films were created way before DBD was even thought of.

    Tapp's body was actually found because his body was on the ground near the infamous bathroom (if you've watched SAW you'll understand) and he was featured in the memorial service in SAW V.

    There are several theories that the licensed characters are that of Alternate Universes in DBD which imo is a strong theory (we have to remember that the entity takes the survivors' body).

    Let's start with Laurie, the Laurie and Myers we have in the game were taken from the first HALLOWEEN movie which already has created a time paradox, the first HALLOWEEN ended with Michael disappearing but Laurie was there at the end, she didn't vanish either which already solidifies the evidence that the Laurie that we see in DBD is in fact from a AU.

    Now Bill, the simple fact that Bill is from an AU is because during 'The Passing' campaign in Left 4 Dead 2, you can find his body, in the middle of a pool of blood with an Assault Rifle laying on his legs (the player can take the weapon).

    Next is Quentin, now Quentin is arguably the only licensed survivor that actually comes from the universe of the film he was in due to the fact that his and Freddy's lores are set a few months after the events of the 2010 movie.

    After Quentin is Tapp which I already debunked above (The Tapp in dbd is from an AU)

    Lastly we have Ash, now if you took the last ever scene into account from the TV show Ash vs Evil Dead then the Ash in dbd is (like the other licensed survivors) from an AU, however if you didn't take the last ever scene into account then his lore matches up with the last episode of the TV show really well.

    It's a bit confusing at first but it seems Quentin and Freddy are the only licensed characters that seem to be taken from their actual universe and not an alternate one

  • Detective_JonathanDetective_Jonathan Member Posts: 1,165

    @Chaddad2169 An AU would make sense but it's just something that i myself don't really consider.

    After researching the wiki i managed to find this.

    "After Jigsaw's death at the hands of Jeff Denlon, another one of his victims, Tapp's deceased partners Daniel RiggEric Matthews, Steven Sing and Allison Kerry were given a memorial. Tapp himself was honored as well, even though his corpse had never been found as the underground tunnels had never been found by the police"

  • Chaddad2169Chaddad2169 Member Posts: 748

    Now that is what makes me believe that it is fake, why would they include Tapp if his body was never found?

    Tapp's body must have been found in some way unless someone tipped Tapp's death off.

    Some of the wiki's can be confusing.

  • Detective_JonathanDetective_Jonathan Member Posts: 1,165

    Sometimes when a body is missing and the police can't find it, they would still have a funeral for the person despite their being no body. They could possibly bury something that was held dear to the departed. In the case of Detective Tapp, they could have buried anything. But his body was never found so i think that in the moment of him dying on the floor, is when The Entity took him.

  • LawrenceGordonLawrenceGordon Member Posts: 77

    I doubt they ever found Tapp's body, the Nerve Gas House was never discovered.

  • GrootDudeGrootDude Member, Trusted Posts: 12,393

    I don’t know crap about lore but this section is fun to read. Good find @Detective_Jonathan

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