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Why is tunneling bad?

hahmrarohahmraro Member Posts: 96

Survivors need to escape the killer. The killer needs to kill the survivors. If the killer goes after you, despite you just have being unhooked recently, he is basically just forcing you to literally play the game. Running away from the killer IS the game. Why is that considered bad? Being forced to play?

I hear people say that it's bad because it shortens the survivor time in the match. Now, what you do the majority of the time that the killer is NOT going for you? You press your mouse button for a couple of minutes while staring at a gen. When I play survivor, I like whenever the killer comes for me because it means I will actually have some action and test my looping skills against the player playing killer. If it keeps coming after me it's even better. Said that, it bugs me why would any survivor say "Hey, killer, stop coming for me and let me stare at this gen for a couple of minutes."

Want you or not, looping is the majority of a survivor's gameplay. You shouldn't be mad that the killer is playing the game and forcing you to do so too.

And I'm not talking about tunneling in the sense of the killer downing you immediately after you got unhooked, because unless it was camping, it is entirely your teammates fault.

Please, maybe I'm seeing things the wrong way, so tell me why is it so bad that the KILLER keeps coming for you?

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  • hahmrarohahmraro Member Posts: 96


    I see. I thought people complained that isn't fun being repeatedly chased by the killer, which I think it's fun. I didn't know that it was because it isn't fun for the others who are NOT being chased. That makes more sense, and changed my perspective, thank you.



    How so it isn't fun being chased? How do you deserve being chased? I don't understand your opinion.

  • t3hp0larbeart3hp0larbear Member Posts: 76

    There's a little variation in the definition of what tunneling is.

    There's the kind of tunneling where a killer fixates on the first survivor they find and won't disengage until that survivor is downed. This leads to penalties for the killer as chasing one survivor for too long means you aren't earning BP; it takes your pressure off of the map, which means less ranks in the Gatekeeper emblem; and less ranks in the Chaser emblem, as you earn ranks in that emblem by finding survivors, hitting them, and downing them in as little time as possible. A good killer needs to know when chasing a certain survivor isn't worth the time sink, thus when to break off and disrupt other survivors to exert pressure on the map.

    There's the kind of tunneling where a killer fixates on a survivor that's unhooked, to down them and put them right back up. This is what most survivors complain about because, all salt aside, it's objectively not fun to be on the receiving end of it. The tunneled survivor has literally no control over the situation when a teammate greedy for altruism points or WGLF stacks and without Borrowed Time rushes up to save them while the killer is within spitting distance. They're getting punished for a teammate's bad decisions, sometimes ending up losing rare items or offerings and not really getting to benefit from them.

    Thus, fixating on one survivor for too long has the potential to either ruin the experience or screw players on either side out of progressing via emblems or BP.

  • Ember_HunterEmber_Hunter Member Posts: 1,693

    Very bad, it is not fun for the tunneled survivor, and they get no chance to do anything else. And because of tunneling, I lost 3 ranks, that's how bad it can be. (10 to 13 then rank reset had to happen) Getting mega tunneled means you will barely get points and have a high chance to depip to the low ranks with more potatoes. Wastes time for killer, but even worse for the tunneled survivor. I prefer being tunneled to facecamped, but both are bad for survivors and killers.

  • Atrushan88Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,065
    edited July 2019

    Here's a solution to "tunneling". Survivors, if you don't have borrowed time, stop making the ridiculous mistake of unhooking right in front of the killer's terror radius. If no one has Borrowed Time, and the killer is camping, just do gens. When I'm being camped, I'd rather you do gens and get out so I can get to the next game and have fun rather than the camping killer get a 4k because you all messed up. I'd also not like to be immediately put back on the hook for your sorry ass mistakes. Stop unhooking in front of the killer and tunneling doesn't exist.


    Any other example of "tunneling" is tunnel vision, and that's a separate beast because every survivor claims that tunneling is getting knocked down right after being unhooked. In that case, you don't get objective as much but you get much more boldness. Is it bad that the killer has tunnel vision because you brought a key? Maybe? Did you sort of entice it by bringing said key? Definitely. There's usually a reason for tunnel vision.

  • JoannaVOJoannaVO Member Posts: 747

    Tunneling is only considered bad for bad survivors who want to toy around with the killer with made up rules. It's annoying, but an effective way to eliminate people fast.

  • darktrixdarktrix Member Posts: 1,564

    Even with BT that doesn't give license to do stupid saves with the killer nearby unless there is no other choice i.e. camping.

    Guess you never had a killer race back to the hook as fast as they can soon as the notification goes out. Some of those killers can race back pretty fast.

  • Atrushan88Atrushan88 Member Posts: 2,065
    edited July 2019

    @darktrix The only ones that can get there in time to reach the survivor before they're healed in my experience are teleporters. I run We'll Make It because I actually intend to be the one to do hook rescues. If another person is there with me, it goes even faster. If other survivors played like this we wouldn't have problems. I do however agree that that doesn't give license to make stupid saves. I'm just saying that if you have borrowed time, you still have the option if forced to.

  • ElusivePukkaElusivePukka Member Posts: 680

    What's worked for me to quell accusations of tunnels: while I do tend to slug the unhooked immediately on an unsafe hook, I leave them on the ground to ideally chase the unhooker. Takes them off gens, gives them a chance to recover a bit, and takes someone else off gens to heal them. Haven't gotten accused of tunnelling since I started consciously doing that instead of taking only the easiest hook, and frankly it makes games go smoother overall.

  • ShrekIsHotShrekIsHot Member Posts: 3,180

    Tunneling makes Survivors get mad cause you won't give them a chance at life, you're supposed to kill anyway, a dead Survivor at 5 or 4 gens will make the other group lose hope.

  • AvilgusAvilgus Member Posts: 477

    So ? You have not read the sacred book of rules for killer?

    I would also like to invent a new word for survivors who continues a regressed generator instead of starting a new one.

  • ShapedShaped Member Posts: 638

    If there are 3 gens left and ruin is done for, one survivor has to go to even the odds.

  • darktrixdarktrix Member Posts: 1,564

    Like we all keep saying - a generator is not a player.

  • SlayerSlayer Member Posts: 1,148

    Its bad because you win that way. If you wont tunnel because survivors dont like it you going to be survivors bitch for the rest of your life so dont be a wuss and play the way you can win. While tunneling is effective no not tunneling i d say eliminating one survivor as fast as possible it is.The real tunneling(consistently chasing one person until he dies) will make other survivors consistently staying on gens not being afraid of you which may end up in you gettting gen rushed pretty fast. So if you want to tunnel make sure that that survivor is not going to reach another pallet after he gets unhooked.

  • darktrixdarktrix Member Posts: 1,564
    edited July 2019

    Not many killer players (players, not the killer itself) have the capability to keep up pressure by hunting and hooking survivors at a good pace. Especially newer killers will then rush back to the hook to get a lead on another survivor - but since the unhooked is injured and much easier to find being in a panic to get away from the hook cause the killer is coming right back, they get tunneled. Then when they are on last hook, well it's just one more hook til death, so they get tunneled again.

    That's how most tunnels go because the one who saved just runs off and hides, not presenting another target to go after and therefore not really protecting their save. Now there is a lot of true tunneling going on where the killer will outright ignore closer targets, just to run after the one that got off the hook, but the majority of the time it is the case I just mentioned.

    Tunneling is a subset of camping - used by killers who are not sufficiently skilled or confident in order to insure kills.

    If you have to ask why is tunneling bad - I suggest you actually experience it for yourself and play survivor more than just once or twice instead of asking for random opinions, especially play solo where you do not get to choose your 'teammates'.

  • AvilgusAvilgus Member Posts: 477

    But killing the survivors is the goal of the killer and repairing the generators and then running away is that of the survivors.

  • PurrPurr Member Posts: 79

    i agree but while i normaly never camp or tunnel there is one thing thatll force me to be that kind of toxic... thats those toxic survivors tbag at every pallet drop and such ill tunnel him and face camp and laugh as the rest of the team gets a free pass

    ive even had survivors thank me for face camping the toxic survivor after they crouched walked in circles as he died on hook before crouching out the exit the salt was glorious

  • darktrixdarktrix Member Posts: 1,564

    I've been waiting for devs to give survivors shotguns so we can go face to face to settle things, but sadly - survivors are left with just doing gens and running away.

  • ApexPredatorApexPredator Member Posts: 7

    I tunnel and i dont feel a bit bad about it.

    Why should I do survivor feel bad about if they gen rush me in 3 minutes no they dont.

    The argument that the survivor wont pip is bs couse when survivors gen rush the killer wont pip as well so as long as gen´s are going so fast ill tunnel 1 person down and play the rest normal to have a chance :)

  • AvilgusAvilgus Member Posts: 477

    Exactly, the game punishes you if the generators are done quickly even if you kill 3/4 survivors. You lose a lot while camping, but tunnel is always beneficial for killer.

  • Mtom912Mtom912 Member Posts: 669

    When you tunnel you’re essentially just ruining the game for 1 survivor, and while you’re just chaseing that 1 survivor, the other 3 survivors have literally nothing else to do but generators as you aren’t putting any pressure on them, so you’re just asking to get gen rushed

  • TawnieeeeTawnieeee Member Posts: 32

    Tunneling is a show of insecurity. When you focus on one survivor until they die, you're A) ruining someone's game play, B) too insecure that you have the skills to secure a kill any other way, and C) neglect the 3 other survivors. Those survivors get to relax and focus on gens, totems, and chests (& finding tools that aid their survival). Killers who hook a survivor and then put pressure on the other survivors and regress gens are generally the most nerve-wracking, because they are not allowing survivors to let their guard down. You tunnel one survivor incessantly, you can't complain about instaheals (it's only fair) or gens popping left and right.


    And when I play killer, if someone is stupid enough to make an unsafe hook...of course I'll down the unhooked survivor. But I leave them. And then I pursue the idiot unhooked and give the other teammates time to up the downed survivor. If they don't get him up after a minute, then he's fair game. But I have no problem avoiding tunneling because in my opinion, it screams weakness.



    Also - survivors shouldn't depip from being tunneled.

  • StrickxNyneStrickxNyne Member Posts: 209

    I play a long game with other survivors. We do not Gen rush. Usually we have to find and break totems to even start the game. By the time the totem is broke we're usually down a survivor who was tunneled and camped and another survivor with 1 hook remaining or recently with ghost face, 2 survivors murked and the other 2 bargaining who will be a sacrificed while the last finds a hatch, hopefully. Maybe I suck as a survivor and killers should take note when no gens are done and they're just murking an entire team 🤷‍♂️ I've yet to see a horror movie boot up and evrryone get murked to boot but if you wanna be that killer I guess we'll be the survivors who all DC. DC is also part of the game 🤷‍♂️

  • dnj510dnj510 Member Posts: 151

    Because some killers are mad corny and don't know how to play. They have a camp or tunnel to get kills. Even if the survivor isn't an a**hole they still get camped or tunneled. Some killers don't respect good juking skills either. It hurts their little pride but boosts their own ego.

  • GodDamn_AngelaGodDamn_Angela Member Posts: 1,598
    edited July 2019

    @dnj510

    Camping and tunneling are completely different. Camping is something done by bad Killers and if you lose to it as the noncamped survivors you are bad survivors.

    Tunneling, however, is an effective and time efficient way to secure hooks/kills and to swing the match in your favor as a Killer. Its not always the best thing to do, depending on different circumstances and where you are and what is happening but no Killer should have to avoid downing/hooking someone that was just unhooked if its the smartest thing for them to do.


    @StrickxNyne

    Are we seriously asking Killers to go easy, and to stop killing survivors, if said survivors are bad and/or getting stomped? Am I going crazy?


    @Tawnieeee @Mtom912

    "C) neglect the 3 other survivors."

    This is camping, not tunneling. Please stop pushing this false narrative. Tunneling is chasing/downing someone who was just unhooked. It is NOT staying by the hook, or ignoring what other survivors are doing. A Killer who is choosing to ignore other Survivors, and chases one specific one all game until they go down, including refusing to hit other survivors is essentially camping them all game. When most decent Killers refer to "tunneling" they are not refering directly to this behaviour, and if your team is bad then you will lose to this just like you lose to a Killler camping hook.

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