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I've never seen Devs talk about gens
Sauceman_Tim
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I don't care how much you guys have seen this. It's a genuine problem within the game, and I just want the Devs to give us an answer on the topic.
The truth is that killer is alot more stressful to play than survivor and I think that's a problem.
I entered this game as a survivor main and I still play survivor with my friends. Everytime I do the teamwork is insane and gens go by in 4 minutes.
THIS is the reason why we main nurse, spirit and billy. And it won't change if the Devs say nothing and do nothing
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Ahh, millionth thread about gen speed with a video from the same source.
Sounds like you're a bit salty there for some reason buddy. Unlike you I want an answer from the Devs that don't seem to talk about this often
If it was from someone else, would it be any different? Considering the same thing also happens to different killers who are good or arguably even better at the game?
I don't understand.
No, I'm just saying people on the forums treat anything he says like he's the third coming of Christ. Most of the things he says is far from the truth anyways and a lot of things he complains about he over exaggerates about.
It sounds like you have more of a problem with the person rather than the actual TOPIC
Looks like the new thing to complain about is gen speed
son people haven’t been happy with gen times since release
I don't like Tru3 that much either, but while the boy may call wolf multiple times, if he yells "wolf", and there is actually a wolf there, then that doesn't make the boy wrong, just because he was wrong all the other times.
Instead of judging the person playing the match, just judge the match in itself. Otherwise, your judgement will probably end up biased. People always turn these threads about Tru3, and not about the match itself -- ignoring the actual issue that's being brought up, which eventually gets shoved under the rug.
It's also easy to watch a match and say "Oh, he made mistakes there, and there, and he shouldn't have done that". But, when does anyone ever play Killer perfectly? There's too many variables in DBD to play a perfect game consistently, even for the truly best players.
This should all be kept in mind when judging the balance of generator times and critiquing the match itself.
I'd just like to add that I just hopped over to OhTofu's stream and asked him what he thought about the topic. He believes there is a problem with maps rather than gens. But still he believes there is a problem with how quick matches go by
The problem is the map and killer, not the gens in my opinion. No offense to the devs but I sometimes dread each new chapter worrying we'll get another game breaking horrible map. The killer usually should be able to apply pressure but when the map has an infinite or is the size of mars it's kind of hard to do so. And then we take into account the killer whom is being played.
If you play an average loopable killer, it's normal that 2-3 gens are done when you get your first hook (if you face a good team).
That's not because you failed at "applying gen pressure" but because the maps usually allow the survivor to run a safe route for that long.
I personally think it's the fact that the maps aren't balanced around survivors being able to knock out gens so quickly. The amount of mobility needed by a killer to counter the kind of spread pressure a good team brings is why the meta favors only the ones with the highest mobility.
When gens are getting knocked out simultaneously at opposite ends of the map, there just isn't much most killers can do to stop or even slow it down.
Thanks for you're input man, I'm inclined to believe it too. I went back to OhTofu's stream and he believes that every map other than the new one and Badham need to be reworked, and I respect his opinion as a dbd player because he has SO many hours
The countless number of games where a killer 4ks - ignored
a few games where a killer got gen rushed - better complain about gen speed
Tofu's awesome, I love his Billy guide. I think he's right on this one.
Killer has to be the more stressful role. In a 1v4 if the 1 doesn't feel pressured by time, an optimal player (killer) will win every time. A nurse who knows how to play already wins every game if they play well.
What were those stats again? Nurses in 25 percent of red rank games, 4-man SWF in 5 percent? If you want to lessen the stress of killers, the top will dominate even more than they do now.
People have already said, Gen time is not the issue, terrible maps are. Do a huge map overhaul and nerf nurse, and suddenly the game is 100 more balanced.
The underlying issue is the speed at which it happens. And it's not a few. Also I've yet to come across a kill rush thread....
Yes, a few certian killers have the ability to 4k quick, but that is usually due to bad game play on there part. If you'd wish to complain about that there are a ton of places to do so.
The point here is that if you choose to not main these few elite killers, the gen rush/ability to maintain pressure on certian maps gives survivors control of the game, making it a slavage operation for killers.
Factor in certain perks and other exploited game mechanics, the hand full of games a guy tries to fit in after work and before bed become unenjoyable.
Certain killers could be linked to certian maps. High mobility = big maps
This is how it goes around these forums.. It's a huge killer circle jerk, "I'm entitled to at least a 3k, cuz mom says im the best player around." " if they find ruin at the start of the game, cuz im too busy tunneled and missing every throw while the survivor is sitting right infront of my face, it's the gem speeds fault"
Are we gonna pretend like there weren't tons of mistakes on his part in this video? People need to stop looking for more excuses to get carried as killer. Queue solo survivor and screenshot us your escape rates, and come back on these forums about how hard it really is to play. One SWF with such an early HEX pop with all the mistakes he made, nah, I don't feel sorry for him. You can idolize this guy as your god, but he messed up here.
You are actually very misguided. I would ask you to re evaluate your argument because it's obviously not a well thought out one. Any streamer with over 2,000 hours will tell you there's a problem with map pressure and game speeds. And they play survivor just as much as killer. You just sound like a poor survivor that hasn't learnt the ropes of being a good survivor yet. I'd be inclined to tell you to play killer just a little bit before you make an argument like that again.
I play both equally, but unlike most I don't feel entitled to 4k every game. The funny thing is I'm ranked higher on killer, cuz i'ts much harder to get BP, ya know? hard life
You think we feel entitled to 4k every game. That in itself is a gumby assumption on your part, therefore your argument doesn't hold much water
Sure bud, and yours holds so much weight that the devs are in here right now taking you all serious. Post another streamers with 2k hours complaining about one match, I'm sure they will be in here for you. If you here to ask for specific map rotations for certain killers only, I would take that serious, but until then proceed. I'm sure they are waiting on your call, and info you got from the streamers.
Bro games are so short, 12-14 minute games hmmmm
I would be more inclined to believe the likes of Ohtofu, Otzdarva, and Ayrun over you. "Complaining about 1 match" dude you are actually childish. You've gotta cool it down with the insults and assumptions. If it were an Anomaly I wouldn't be here talking about it like it's a problem.
Where did you get that information from?
“The truth is that killer is alot more stressful to play than survivor and I think that's a problem.”
No, it isn’t the truth. Not everyone gets stressed out on either role and this game only ever stresses me when I’m badly lagging.
“THIS is the reason why we main nurse, spirit and billy. And it won't change if the Devs say nothing and do nothing”
I don’t main a top tier killer, not everyone is gonna play the top three killers, also Peanits has spoken on this topic before.
The devs gave out stats for many things on the forums, average game time, survivor survival rates which was only 43% at rank 1, most picked perks on both sides, and most picked killers at ranks
Only stressful thing I find as killer is the amazing feature aim assist
That can be annoying too.
Deciding whether aim assist is better on Billy’s chainsaw, or legions frenzy