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Gen Times Are Fine

CaretakerCaretaker Member Posts: 764
edited September 2019 in General Discussions

One chase, 3 gens. Even if I had found Claud, or dropped trying to look for her I'd still have lost 3 gens minimum before getting a single hook. Of course after this I was told to just apply pressure, how easy the game was, etc, etc. Please, explain to me how I was supposed to pressure those gens, and keep up the chase, and somehow prevent them from doing that within the first minute?

Also, before anyone says it, don't say just run Ruin. That wouldn't solve anything. Every time I have run ruin it blows at the beginning of the match, or the gens pop anyway cuz they're not rank 20s who can't hit skillchecks. I get that Legion is arguably one of the worst killers in the game now due to the pitiful "rework" but I don't think any killer outside of maybe Nurse or Billy would've done anything here. Even then plenty of safe pallets and loops so I still probably would've had a rough time.

Notice how that was the first instinct, just run to the pallet. Some didn't even try to run the loop, just sat at the pallets, not on the end to extend the chase. What I can do then? Nothing, I can eat the pallet, or run after you. There is nothing I can do in that situation, I just lose. I can't even catch up to anyone. I played the second Frenzy badly cuz for some reason my game was running sluggish and I haven't played them in a while so that's on me, but there's just nothing I could do in this match.

Yet I'm told constantly told how easy killer is, how op killers are including Legion. How hard it is to play survivor. I don't get how afking and holding m1 is difficult. Especially when you get a good runner. Of course I'll probably get flamed, and this'll be ignored by the devs cuz, "It's just them doing their objective." Funny enough they complained about me camping their friend end-game like I had a choice.

I don't get why survivors think they're slick waving and taunting, I'm not leaving when gates are powered. You come get your friend, or I'm camping them to death. I have no other objectives to defend and I'm not risking you running out the gate or looping me while the others save. Don't even try.

No, I don't want free wins, I don't want easy games. I want to feel like I have a chance to play the game. I either play like a complete #########, or I just lose all my gens and get no points/emblems while being told how easy the game is, and how bad I am. Killers are supposed to be the power role, don't get how it's going on 3 years now and people STILL cannot seem to grasp that concept, but oh well.

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  • CaretakerCaretaker Member Posts: 764

    I don't even think this was a swf. It might've been? I honestly had no clue. I just know they were hyper coordinated and super focused on gens. You're totally right. I just hate being the power role and feeling powerless. It defeats the purpose. I like to play with off builds, and play fair and let people get points. Then I get games like this, and another similar game with someone running the Asylum "infinite" and I just wonder why I bother?

    Quoted, I want in on this.

  • CaretakerCaretaker Member Posts: 764
    edited September 2019

    100% agreed. You're definitely at your weakest early game having to spend time to find a survivor. I usually have good luck and know the spawns fairly well. Even then between finding and the subsequent chase you're going to lose gens if they're smart.

    I'd really like it if we had gears or something needed to fix the gens before you can repair them. If regressing it worked like Overcharge and you had to hit skillchecks before being able to repair it again. Anything really.

    Ah, very true. A disciple of Morf's I see. :^)

    See, and I could just go Nurse. I know in the end I said Ebony Omega Nurse time, but I don't really play the hard meta killers much. I don't run addons, I don't run Ruin or Sloppy(I think they're both trash if I'm being honest). I try my best to double hook everyone, I don't tunnel etc. Sadly I think it's come to the point where I can't play my fave which is Legion. Hell, I played M1 addonless Legion before his masssive nerf and still had fun/did well. If games keep up like this then yup, I'll have to play Nurse. At least her new skin looks fantastic.

  • BBQnDemogorgonBBQnDemogorgon Member Posts: 3,592

    Your gate keeper will be destroyed and pipping near impossible in that situation though.

    A 4k sure that can be clutch'd but you won't pip at higher rank brackets.

  • CaretakerCaretaker Member Posts: 764

    The problem is the gens were on opposite sides, plenty of pallets, and they were hyper focused on gens. The time it took me to chase/down I'd already lost my 4th gen. If I had a 3 gen scenario maybe, but there was no winning this match. If I kept ping-ponging back and forth between the gens they'd have just popped them, popped adren, and got out anyway. 1 chase 3 gens shouldn't be a normal occurence.

  • YamaokaYamaoka Member Posts: 4,165

    Why would you run Brutal Strength on Legion? Agitation is nearly useless, too. Get rid of one of those trash perks and run Corrupt Intervention. You're playing Legion which means:


    - People will either try and wait it out near the blocked generators allowing you to create early game pressure as Legion can find anyone using FRENZY.


    OR

    - people will run through the map looking for non-blocked generators giving you enough time to create pressure anyways.


    All of the generators in this video popped just after the 80 second mark which is exactly how long it takes to repair a generator by default if you spawn next to them.

  • CaretakerCaretaker Member Posts: 764

    This as well. 3 gens popping that fast is a guaranteed Bronze assuming you even stall the game that long. Even then I focus more on points, and getting kills. Not hyper focused on killing, but I do like to go for the 4k. So, at least for me ranking isn't a huge deal. Other than not wanting to stomp new players, ala the free weekend.

  • SkeletalEliteSkeletalElite Member Posts: 2,081
    edited September 2019

    You're playing a bottom tier killer with no ruin.

    You can't really expect to down people quickly enough to not have gens pop.

    On the bright side they did every gen on that side of the map allowing for an easy three gen. Which you could have exploited.

  • CaretakerCaretaker Member Posts: 764

    I like Brutal, and Agi is pretty helpful for body blocking, and I like the synergy it has with Pop and Brutal. Corrupt might've helped but then they could've just hid for 2 minutes, and worked on the gens while I searched.

    Also, you have to be in range to use FRENZY, and you have to HIT THEM TO APPLY DEEP WOUNDS. So, it's not a guarantee, or even a remotely good power compared to it's previous iteration.

  • FireHazardFireHazard Member, Trusted Posts: 7,314

    Some Survivors are just cruel to Killers, probably cause some Killers were cruel to them. So screw all Killers right?

    Idk, some people just wanna play the game super optimized and try-hardy, in a game where that literally doesn't matter at all. This game is just bragging rights simulator tbh lmao.

  • CaretakerCaretaker Member Posts: 764

    Did you watch the video or read the post? Ruin would've popped, or they would've worked through it. Ruin doesn't do anything to anyone with half a brain that can hit checks or bring a toolbox. Legion is a low-tier killer, but I usually don't struggle THIS bad. I used to play him this way at 110 and had no issues.

    Also, exploit the 3 gen how? They were spreading out so I couldn't make full use of Frenzy, had two gens on opposite sides and were safe on both sides should I choose to chase. By the time I got a down the 4th gen was pretty much gone already.

  • GrootDudeGrootDude Member Posts: 14,112

    That is why I don’t care about pips anymore, snowballing is effective but pipping is much harder.

    I didn’t watch the video but you might’ve gotten a bad map which makes things harder but the scenario is still winnable but it’ll be very very challenging.

  • FireHazardFireHazard Member, Trusted Posts: 7,314

    This is also true, sometimes I also lose 2 gens before the 1st or 2nd chase, doesn't mean I still didn't 4k because they 3 gen'ed themselves lmao.

    Or they just couldn't snowball again after those 2 gens, losing gens doesn't really mean you lost. It actually makes it a lot easier to snowball with less gens on the field.

  • CaretakerCaretaker Member Posts: 764

    You're not wrong. I just hate playing fair and trying to have fun only to get a game like this back to back. Just kills all will to play the game. I only like to play with my friends and they don't really play the game due to the horrible balance so I stick to killer. Which I honestly prefer. However, it's so stressful cuz you either play 100% optimal, and sweat your ass off or you just get run around and eat wood for 5 minutes.

  • AetherBytesAetherBytes Member Posts: 2,211

    What hurts me is that you played Legion incorrectly at the start there, effectively denying your power. You should have abandoned the claud and found the other survivors. Claud had to mend and heal; if you went for other survivors you could most likely have frenzy chained them and got everyone injured and off gens except for the claud who just mended/healed.

    As legion, you want to keep everyone bleeding out as much as possible, taking chases when a survivor or two are mending. Depending on the loop, let them pallet stun you out of FF, since it's quicker then the cooldown, and either continued the chase or started applying pressure to other survivors depending on the situation.

    Legion works when you make a point to keep everyone as injured as possible (run sloppy, it'll help), because they're off gens and injured.

  • CaretakerCaretaker Member Posts: 764

    I spawned in, found a Claud, chased her, and lost 3 gens immediately. Had gens situated on opposite sides, and they had a toolbox/were coordinating gens together whenever I left to apply pressure. I had no chance of winning that without hard camping/tunneling, and even then I'd have probably barely got a kill like I did.

  • NMCKENMCKE Member Posts: 8,050

    We have to be careful with what we choose because if we add a requirement of gears, survivors won't be at generators during the beginning of the Trial - they are looking for gears. The killer won't have any clues to find and initiate a chase, then once all of the gears are finished, the same thing will happen.


    Personally, I think we need Fuse Boxes that survivors need to repair once the generators are completed because it gives you a place to find survivors unlike your suggestion. They will need to find a fuse, and once they grab a fuse, maybe you see a noise notification?


    I hate to post this in your thread, but I feel like it's necessary instead of me writing a wall of text about how to add a second objective for survivors! :)


  • CaretakerCaretaker Member Posts: 764
    edited September 2019

    Ok so, 40s in to find Claud. Activate power, Frenzy, and run across the map so I can what, fatigue? That'd take another 10s or so, +4s fatigue, so roughly 55-60s~ gone right there. Then I'd have to wait ANOTHER 20s to get my power back, so that's 80s gone, which is basically a generator and nothing would've changed. Except Claud would've been mended, and working on the other gen, while I chased in a super safe area. Also assumes I could've chained 3 hits and they wouldn't scatter or stay separated.

    I know how to play Legion, as you can see I ate a pallet for a faster cd. Mending isn't scary, and doesn't take much time or Doc would be top tier. Even if I did start tagging them they'd just split, mend, do gens, or loop while I was on cd.

    Sloppy doesn't help, cuz it doesn't work on mending and it's a terrible perk in general considering no one heals, or should be healing when they can just rush into adren.

  • AetherBytesAetherBytes Member Posts: 2,211

    If you run into rushers a lot use NOED. People are gonna get salty, but the whole point of the perk is to punish gen rushing.

  • CaretakerCaretaker Member Posts: 764

    Nah, I can see your point, but you might also catch someone roaming around looking. That's also a good idea and it's relevant to the topic. Gen times are just way too fast for killers to put reliable pressure. Especially weaker killers.

  • FireHazardFireHazard Member, Trusted Posts: 7,314

    @Caretaker

    Also, idk why you don't use Ruin. Like yeah, back before they destroyed legion with the patch you could 4k without Ruin pretty casually, but you should honestly invest in the Blood-Web to get Nurses Calling and Thantophobia.

    Trust me, people heal from Thanato because they think the reduction will destroy their game, where it'll honestly just make it go significantly slower. And Nurses because if you get a Frenzy chain-stab off on 4 people in a row at the start, you'll expect people to heal right after the mend. Nurses lets you know where they are when they're healing (not mending) and overall helps you track people a lot faster.

    Try it out, I wouldn't use Agitation or Brutal Strength on Legion, but that's just me.

    If you're curious, my build I run is Thantophobia, Nurses, BBQ (Because Legion is a points machine) and either these perks for the last slot. Either Discordance, Ruin, Pop Goes the Weasel, or if i'm REALLY feeling it, devour hope.

  • CaretakerCaretaker Member Posts: 764

    I could run NOED, but I'd honestly really rather not. I have no issues with it, but I still don't like it.

  • AetherBytesAetherBytes Member Posts: 2,211
    edited September 2019

    Then the alternative is to suck it up and instead pressure gens instead of survivors into smaller areas for easy defending later on and take the Gatekeeper hit.

  • FireHazardFireHazard Member, Trusted Posts: 7,314

    Yeah, if you wanna try out another build though that might help, just refer to the post I made before this one, it might actually help slow the game down.

  • edgarpoopedgarpoop Member Posts: 5,268

    There's nothing preventing survivors from working on gens individually while someone is in chase. 80 seconds isn't that long if they're playing super safe at pallets. B tier and lower killers are reliant on survivor mistakes to a certain degree.

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