I heard this from people who played the PTB.. is this true Devs?
Micheal_Myers
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So Tier 1 Myers can now be countered by Spine Chill and Premonition. WHY!?
Please tell me this is a joke or a bug in the PTB.
Myers should be undetectable fully like he used to be in Tier 1.
No one should know that I'm stalking them that is Absurd. That takes away from Myers' Power. He is literally going to be Ghostface if this is true.
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I just went through the patch notes, It doesn't look like that is a thing. The only thing about Myers is that he gets the undetectable status effect in tier 1.
Hopefully it's a bug.
Not every survivor is going to run Spine Chill or Premonition and if they do they should be rewarded for it, far too many perks get negated by killers perks/powers trumping survivors perks. Having a 1 in 17 chance of going against Myers I think it's fair if every once and a while you run into survivors who can counter his T 1.
I mean, Undetectable does not stop Spine Chill and Premonition. So changing his current Status to Undetectable will indeed make him affected by Spine Chill and Premonition.
Would also say that this should be reverted. While I feel that those Perks should not be affected by Undetectable, Tier 1 Myers should ignore them, since it is crucial for him to get out of Tier 1 ASAP.
If this is true I’m gonna be a very angry spirit main!
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#JusticeForTier1Myers
Honestly though how many people really run those perks? Everyone I've seen is running a "Get everything done quickly" build.
Both are used from time to time. Not a big fan of those by myself, but since Ghostface Release at least Spine Chill got more love.
The those perks aren't used much by good high rankers as you get a lot more use out of others. Your eyes and ears with that loud breathing have always been the best tool versus Myers in tier 1.
If it has been changed I can see why it was as it brings him in line with every other stealth killers and makes future changes to them a lot easier.
The tier 1 Myers build only works really well on certain maps anyway and for normal play it's only useful for the first stalk to tier 2 which should never take long even if they have spine chill.
@Michael_Myers
What you heard is completely true, here's the video proof I made myself to answer someones question about it on the "Ask the Comunity" sub-forums.
It's most likely a bug. They recently nerfed Object of Obsession to make it not a hard counter to stealth.
So this is likely just a bug. Like gens not being audible through walls.
Remember that he also has no terror radius now in Tier 1, freeing up a perk slot for some builds.
Premonition and Spine Chill are awareness perks and not powerful at all, the only power is in what you do with that information, and if you aren't paying attention, then the perks are pointless regardless.
Most people don't even include that perk in their builds in higher ranks.
Not quite a bug. Myers was changed to have Undetectable in EW1 along with several other killers. That means his aura cannot be read, he has no terror radius, and he has no stain. However, that also means that he is not immune to detection perks (aura reading aside).
This is to:
Short version, not a bug, just a result of a different change.
I mean, like Peanits said its not. And it makes sense why its not, why would you want a Killer to have no counter to their passive ability? Plus Spine Chill and Premonition is pretty niche outside of people who don't want to get jump scared... that's the only Survivors I see using it.
Spine Chill and Premonition don't really stop a Killer from sneaking up on a Survivor anyways, it just makes it a bit harder. It's better this way, i'd trade Spine Chill and Premonition over OoO any day, one can be worked around while the other was impossible to play against as Myers and even Ghost Face when Night Shroud was active...
Literally... having the Survivor see you behind a 6 inch wall on a loop isn't fun, and makes it almost impossible to even mind-game them. You either brute force it through all the loops which is hard enough as a M1 Killer, or you give up and let them do gens solo which will cost you a lot in the long run...
Oh so you're going to increase his movement speed and lunge at tier 1 to be more consistent with other killers then. That's great news!
Thanks for the clarification.
It makes sense.
I would trade Undetectable for old EW1.
He also no longer has a terror radius. Meaning that T1 Myers got even stronger considering that no one uses Spine Chill and Prem.
No duh. That's like saying you'd trade the new Syringe for the old one. :P
EW1 wasn't strong tho, that's the issue. There were zero complaints.
A lot of people use spine chill. It's not meta, but I'd be shocked if it wasn't one of the top 10-12 most used survivor perks in the game.
It was changes for consistency reasons, which makes sense (to me, at least).
You now have an extra perk slot for scratch mirror myers since you don't need monitor
Spine Chill is used as a Spirit counter in upper ranks. It is mostly used at lower ranks where you would typically run into Myers.
Myer's gains not having a terror radius but had a very small one to begin with. Perks like OoO didn't work on him before but now Spine Chill and Premonition do work.
Clearly an upgrade for Pig and GF. Hard to call it a sidegrade for EW1 Shape.
So when does his movement speed and lunge in evil 1 increase to stay more consistent with other stealth killers?
So when does his movement speed and lunge in evil 1 increase to stay more consistent with other stealth killers?
In reality it's more like a 1 in 100 chance to go against myers nowadays, red ranks is flooded with spirits and the last nurse players who want to enjoy her till she gets changed.
Yay for nerfs to killers who don't break b tier
You'd have to tier up to get that benefit. Other stealth killers are slower than survivors and/or can't attack while in stealth (except GF), so if you were to make it more consistent he shouldn't be able to attack or catch up to survivors while in tier 1. :)
Basically this trades OoO for spine chill in terms of what countess stealth killers?
I disagree. Pig moves slightly slower but can dash attack or just get up from crouch and get easy hits/grabs. Wraith can move faster in stealth. With this change, they absolute should increase Michael's tier 1 speed/lunge or better yet, leave him immune to premonition/spine chill. He was in a fine place as he was.
I mean this as much as a survivor as I do a killer. Jump scares are great. Nice little adrenaline rush when a Michael spooks me.