Lots of talk.
All I asked is for you to record 10 matches of you playing Billy, yourselves.
Put your money where your mouth is.
You're saying Billy is broken, you're saying he is OP, you're saying he can always chainsaw whenever he pleases.
Well, show us.
....Because I have to tell you, as a Billy Main who has been playing since 2016 - and normally plays with no Addons - I don't feel that powerful. I just thought maybe you knew something I didn't, maybe you discovered some skill I havent - or maybe I'm just bad and you're gods.
I just want players to produce evidence as to the power level of the character when using his power.
It really isn't a big ask. Recording and uploading your gameplay to YouTube is completely free.
I can talk about whatever I damn well please. You don’t know who I play or even who I am. Maybe you should stop throwing around assumptions.
I don’t play Billy because I don’t like him and he takes a bit of mechanical skill to use and I don’t wanna put in the effort to play a killer I already don’t like.
I’ve seen players who are good at Billy that typically like to chainsaw. If they HAVE to then they’ll M1 but I’ve seen some pretty good Billy players who know exactly where and how to curve the chainsaw. A skilled Billy vs skilled survivors is a pretty even match.
I'd like to see 10 recorded matches of a skilled Billy vs skilled Survivors, please.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that Billy doesn’t have a cooldown and can chainsaw whenever he wants and wherever he wants. He isn’t limited by a cooldown like Spirit or has to recharge his power like Huntress.
That’s not me saying that he is 100% always going to be able to chainsaw a survivor. He just doesn’t have to wait for a cooldown like other killers do :/
He isn’t a broken killer by far.
BBQ has a plethora of counters you could use to avoid getting found by a Billy. So it's not OP even on him.
Show me 10 matches of you chainsawing "whenever and wherever" you want.
Battleguy? Scott Jund? Zubatlel? Umbra? All of those players have played Billy against skilled survivors.
Show me your matches.
What do I have to prove to you? I don’t have anything to prove to you when there are tons of videos of skilled Billy players.
I never claimed I was good at Billy. I don’t play him nor do I have the desire to play him. My opinions are formed from what I’ve seen from others.
If you aren't saying he's broken, why do you think he needs a cool down nerf? Not every killer had to be the same or have the same limitations. It's like you said, you have to be good with him in order to do well, sounds like balance to me
Again...you’re making assumptions. Point out when I said “Billy needs a cooldown nerf.” I never said that. You’re putting words in my words.
I stated that Billy and Leatherface were the only killers who do NOT have a power cooldown or have to recharge their power which is a fact. The word “nerf” never came from me.
Yeah...not every killer needs the same limitations but that doesn’t stop people from complaining. People complained about Spirit having zero feedback during a chase. People complained about Nurse ignoring all survivor defenses. People complain about Billy having no power recharge. Guess what? Nurse still ignores all survivor defenses and Spirit still provides zero feedback in a chase. Billy will most likely still have no power recharge when they rework his add-ons.
If Billy is broken you don't need to be good with him, you just need to press and hold M2.
This is what you young fellas don't seem to understand, something an old gamer can tell you (if you could just help me into this chair, young man, and make me a nice warm cup of tea...): if something is OP, it's OP because it doesn't matter who plays it - it's just OP. There's nothing that the other side can do and it isn't dependent on skill level.
It's broken because it's broken at the core. It doesn't matter if you put it in the hands of an actual Adeptus Astartes with 8 trillion hours in the game or if you have your youngest sibling try it out while still teaching them the Alphabet or how a cow goes.
I'm not asking you to prove something in the chest-beating-macho-sense - I'm asking to see empirical evidence.
Billy isn’t broken nor is he OP. You have to be somewhat good with Billy to do well against good survivors because he requires some mechanical skills because the chainsaw is not easy to manage.
Here is what I am saying...Billy has zero power recharge. He can rev his chainsaw and threaten a survivor at a pallet loop and he doesn’t have to wait for any length of time before revving his chainsaw again. Huntress can run out of hatchets. Nurse has to wait for her blinks to recharge. Spirit has to wait for her power to come back. Billy just has to rev his chainsaw after breaking the pallet.
I’m not trying to say Billy can always use his chainsaw to down survivors and get free hits. Just that he has no cooldown or recharge and can instantly use it again unlike other killers who have to wait for their power to come back.
I only think Billy is broken with Instasaw add-ons.
I hear you.
The problem is that a recharge mechanic would actually make him unplayable. There are so many things in this game that are basically balanced as if on the tip of a tightrope - nudge them one way or another and you completely break them.
If you had a recharge mechanic on Billy and therefore forced players to basically use his power only once every X seconds, he would actually be miserable to play.
Since you don't play Billy yourself, you also probably never noticed that Billy does, in fact, have a recharge mechanic to his power already. There's a hidden cooldown effect when you use your chainsaw during which a Billy can barely move and cannot actually interact with anything.
This recharge effect is actually a lot more significant than people think. I've had an injured Survivor escape me because I chainsaw dashed towards him only to be forced to stop, and by the time my cooldown ended and I could M1 again, he already made it to a pallet and threw it down on me.
This happens about 2-3 times every single Billy match.
Every single Billy match (where you play Billy) you feel that cooldown.
Oh, alright then. My bad
You wouldn't mind doing 10 matches as Billy with the strongest Addons you can think of?
Only conditions are that you must 4k every match, you cannot use Perks or Offerings and you have to do it chainsaw only. You can use instasaw, though.
What do you say?
I mean, if you think it's busted then it should be no problem and if it's so powerful it shouldn't be like a punishment or anything, it'd be a lot of fun for you, right?
That's not really a proper test. Billy is strong if you know how to play him. I don't, and would get wrecked. I think all the Billy OP posts are utter nonsense.
Without trying to hurt your ego,this isn't a way to balance things. Imagine keys and nurse,they all need some add-ons and perks to be good. What you suggest is "do the impossible". Even if we don't do the impossible with, for example, keys, and if neither me or my teammates escape each match, it doesn't mean anything. Keys are still broken. Hope I'm understood.
It's a proper test because the people who complain about him are talking as if his Power is completely OP.
If something is OP, it's just OP. It doesn't matter what your skill level is - in fact, it's more blatantly OP when even a novice player can use it and easily defeat a more experienced player. That's exactly how you can demonstrate that something is busted.
My aim is to demonstrate whether or not it's actually OP. To that end, I ask various people (presumably of varying skill levels) to do the challenge.
If Billy is OP then we will see a consistent majority of 4k's as long as people are using the chainsaw.
"Don't run if the killer is coming"
I don't see the comparison here. Gen rushing is about doing gens while making killer waste time, not being a easy hook magnet.
My ego has nothing to do with anything.
This is pretty faulty equivocation. None of those things are in any way comparable.
Keys are broken, but are an item that requires a feature in the game to appear under a specific set of circumstances, whereas Billy always has access to M2 from the get-go.
If the chainsaw is broken, it should not be impossible at all - on the contrary, you should have an easy time.
You can compare Keys to a Mori, however. They both have a similar function - ending the game for one side or the other, with an Ivory Mori being the equivalent of one person escaping through the hatch and an Ebony being the equivalent of everyone escaping through the hatch at about 1 gen or so (or is it with the exit gates powered? I can't remember).
he's not getting a nerf, so nope. just like any other killer, billy is easy to loop and his chainsaw requires skill in order to use it properly against good survivors.
These are the best killers going vs the best survivors and survivors lose 95 percent of the time. And that's with Killers going on and on about survivors being OP.
Even if I did show you "my matches". Would you actually take that as proof. Would you be like darn I was wrong. Billy does need to be fixed? You'll just move the goal posts, you'll say that I wasn't that good or that I was playing against weak survivors or that it only counts if they don't suicide on hook or whatever BS you feel like feeding me. I wouldn't waste my time trying to appease you and no one else should either. You're nothing more than a troll.
You literally forgot to add, has to be red rank killer so not all matches go against complete potatoes and maybe there are some good survivors.
I do not engage in precognition, so none of the words you typed are of any interest to me.
Record and play 10 matches as Billy using the guidelines I wrote and upload them to YouTube.
If you believe that Billy's chainsaw is busted, it shouldn't be a problem for you.
Does balance only exist in the red ranks?
A better solution would be a larger sample size across all Ranks.
No but most skilled people reside there, the chances there to find skilled people are actually higher compared to other ranks. Who cares about a 4k when the survivors are braindead? Nobody.