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The NOED situation

leyzymanleyzyman Member Posts: 114

Now, I see a lot of people complaining about NOED on here, and I would like to put in my two sense on the issue.

From what people tend to complain about, NOEDs ability is extremely strong. I agree it is.

But what about the fact that you have a dead perk for most of the game?

What about the fact that it only activates if a totem is available?

The fact is: there are only 5 or 6 totems on a map at 1 time. If each person does at least 1 totem and the hex perk that most killers have, you only have 1 totem left, or someone will do that one also, making the perk useless.

So, with this regard:

Do I like the idea of NOED? : personally no, i hate the perk. I think I have used it 2ce in my life.

Do I think that you should get mad if NOED is active? : No, you could have prevented it from being up in the first place. I play like every killer has it and cleanse at least 1 dull totem.

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  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 4,731

    I pretty much only play survivor in swf now...solos have no way of knowing how many dulls got cleansed. We cleanse all the totems every game and it's funny to see so many killers dc when their noed doesn't activate but my mate's DS does lmao. Gg

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 4,731

    Noed would be fine without the speed boost imo, maybe they could replace it with less pallet stun and break pallets faster or reduced cooldown from missed attacks? The speed boost is obnoxious and unnecessary to me. Maybe if they made the speed boost based on dull totems remaining I could tolerate it. Anything but a free flat boost tbh.

  • PythonheirPythonheir Member Posts: 1,123
    edited January 24

    NOED has never worked for me, I don't know what everyone's problem is with it. Like most matches I have tried to use NOED, and even the NOED/BW combo. That it would just get cleansed as soon as the last gen is up, or not at all. If it does ever last after that, then survivors just escape before I could get a down or a hook. Then if I even do get a hook, the timer on blood warden is gone by the time I finish chasing 1 or 2 survivors, just ending up in hook exchanges till then.

    The reason being you don't have 1-2 perks all game to even get the hooks you need in the game to get sacrifices in the end game. You could alway's bring a Mori, but like. At what point are you wasting too much resources to try and make something extremely weak work? Against optimal survivors that have half ass skill at the game just blows a little extra air from their nostrils when they realize it's NOED or Bloodwarden.

    I have the same experience as Survivor. If I don't see a Hex: Totem all game, I just cleanse any totem I see, and if the last gen is powered. I 99 the door if I have to save someone, or open it and leave. If there is NOED I just go to the places I know totems spawn, cleanse the damn thing and play as normal.

    Complaining about something as weak as a Hex perk is pretty weak.

  • AvisDeeneAvisDeene Member Posts: 1,376

    No, nothing wrong with NOED, speed boost is fine as is. Killer is playing with a handicap for the entire match until all gens are done, the perk itself is easily counter-able by cleansing totems throughout the match or even looking for it after it activates.

    There is no need for a totem counter- that would just be the devs holding survivors hands. Detectives hunch and maps exist, if anyone has a problem with NOED then they could use them to find the totem.

  • DrVonKrummDrVonKrumm Member Posts: 46

    I’m Indifferent to NOED, I don’t use it when I play killer and while getting hit by it when you’re so close to escaping sucks, it is an entirely preventable perk. I know solo players can’t keep track of who cleansed what but there are perks like small game and detectives hunch if you really do want to be keeping an eye out for totems.

    I typically play solo when I play survivor and keep an eye out for totems and cleanse any I see (unless it’s glowing and I suspect haunted grounds).

    i’ve heard People say “If it glows, it goes” which is all well and good for lit totems but I think we need a new phrase. Something like “It it ain’t cleansed yet, then it’s still a threat” (work in progress, lol)

    Anyway, that’s just my thoughts on the perk.

  • HellDescentHellDescent Member Posts: 2,907

    1 person in a trial running detectives hunch is all you need to prevent noed. Also you can just rush through the first 2 gens, since ruin doesn't do anything in the beginning of the game to get the aura reading from detectives hunch. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get rid of the perk.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 4,731

    I'm just making suggestions is less discouraging to newer players and yet retains all of the reasons people use it. Instead of defending a perk blindly because you don't care about survivors, hiw about you recognize the problems and give constructive feedback towards solutions. I've heard this ilk dozens and dozens of times, I'm not enjoying the music this broken record is spitting out.

    Here's one for you: No, nothing is wrong with MoM, free hit is fine as it is. Survivor is playing with a handicap all match until they get 3 hits, the perk itself is easily counter-able by not hitting survivors throughout the match or just not hitting them after it activates.

    There is no need for MoM to be nerfed-that would just be the devs holding the killers' hands. Instadowns and grabs exist, if anyone has a problem with MoM they can use those to down survivors.

    I can do another one for BL or old DS or even old SC if you like :)

  • terumisanterumisan Member Posts: 761

    I play solo and go out of my way to cleanse totems if I don't I just keep note of what totems I see

  • RaccoonRaccoon Member Posts: 2,768

    What's the point of listing perks that have been deemed problematic and changed by the devs themselves when talking about one that they've said is in a good place?

    Maybe the Small Game rework will have a totem counter. It probably won't, though, given that they've stated they want totems to play a bigger role for survivors.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 4,731

    I agree noed is in a good place, but I can see from the viewpoint of those it frustrates. Hopefully small game can be actually useful xD

  • cipherbay_cipherbay_ Member Posts: 250

    The times i have used NOED, it either never activates cause it doesnt get to end game, and when it does, i one shot down 1 survivor. Its kinda useless

  • FrankSRfromITFrankSRfromIT Member Posts: 59

    As a new killer still learning everything, I use NOED a lot. But many games I get to the end and it is not activated, so I don't rely on it, but it does help me at the end if it is still there. It doesn't turn the tables for me, I maybe gain a hook or two those times it is still activated.

  • PrettyFaceKatePrettyFaceKate Member Posts: 433

    Detective's Hunch, Inner Strength, We're Gonna Farm Forever. Cleanse totem, take a hit while a survivor is being carried to a hook, get in a locker to heal, rinse'n'repeat. 4 easy stacks and benevolent and lightbringer emblems, even if you don't touch a gen.

  • AvisDeeneAvisDeene Member Posts: 1,376

    You can make all the comparisons you want, just make sure they're equal. Do any of the perks you mention give the killer a way to completely disable them? No.

    Do any of those perks only take effect at the very end of the match? No.

    Do killers have any sort of indication that survivors might be running those perks? No.

    With Noed, you always have an indication that the killer might be running it as soon as you see a dull totem. You can completely remove a perk from a killers repertoire by cleansing their totems. Killers have no such luck, and the closest thing I could think of is slugging to avoid DS.

    You say you are thinking about new survivors, but the fact of the matter is you're just thinking about yourself. A new survivor should prioritize themselves with learning the game and the counters that they could use against killers. They shouldn't have their hands held at the expense of the killers fun. The game is supposed to feel risky, the purpose of a survivor is to survive a dangerous environment.

    But sure, neuter another perk that killers use, soon enough you and all future survivors will be playing lobby simulator where you queue for a match only to alt+tab to go watch some Youtube.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 4,731

    I wasn't calling for a neuter, I was suggesting a QoL change. Also paragraph 1 and 3 are incorrect. I'm going to ignore what you say because it is dripping with bias and hypocrisy. No offense to you personally, I just don't want to waste my time. Good day.

  • CarpemortumCarpemortum Member Posts: 3,343

    5 totems. Do bones = no NOED.

    Theres no situation except when survivors ignore totems and then get salty.

  • csandman1977csandman1977 Member Posts: 770

    So ruin was arguably the strongest early game perk to slow the game down to avoid getting to end game. Whatever your opinion on old ruin is, that was the point if the perk. Not to carry all game. Just to give a little breathing room at the beginning.

    Now, there are no early game perks. CI not withstanding. All killers have now are mid to late game strategies. NOED is the end game version of Ruin. It suffers from the same problems. Killers often times end up playing a game with 3 perks. And when they need it most it's gone. It punishes new survivors while experienced semi competent survivors know how to get around it.

    NOED is fine where it's at. I for one dont trust the devs to change it anyway. We'd end up with a hex perk that adds 4 seconds to opening the exit gate or something, or it would need 2 totems dull to activate.

    For the record, i hate bashing devs and i dont think i am. I just dont think ruin was a rework. It was a remove and replace.

  • BaldursGate2BaldursGate2 Member Posts: 140

    It is most likely trash, not as much as blood warden, but still. The perk comes online late and after you hit one, everyone knows you have it and will either escape or search for the hex totem.

    Better use a perk, that is online the whole game.

  • FleshTorpedoFleshTorpedo Member Posts: 394

    The [BAD WORD], DS not getting used in a "good" match. DS can and is used in higher ranks as a means to save another player. It is rarely used in a means as an actual anti tunnel mechanic at red ranks. Every killer at higher ranks expects DS if there is an obsession in the game and slugs for 60s if they downed a recently hooked survivor that just tried to protection block or bait.

    Noed is only active when all gens are finished and i all the totems have not been cleansed. At higher ranks, totems get cleansed. So is a gamble if it will ever be there when the gens are done. DS can be intentionally activated. They are no were near the same at making a bad game better.

  • AvisDeeneAvisDeene Member Posts: 1,376

    Funny, because that is exactly what I felt when reading your posts!

    Calling for nerfs but masking them as a "QoL change". Just like the Ruin nerf. And no, I'm not bias, I play survivor for more than 80% of my matches, and prefer it to playing killer. I am just more honest when I post.

    You have a good day as well.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 4,731

    Oh no, survivors are giving me free pressure!! What next, complaining about survivors grouping on gens?

  • FleshTorpedoFleshTorpedo Member Posts: 394

    Its honestly starting to feel like the devs really dont play this game or they play it at rank 15 tryhard survivor. Mechanics and alternative uses of perks on both survivor and killer are evident with very little in game time at higher ranks.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 4,731

    Yes changing the way the speed boost works and buffing solo to swf levels is dripping with bias and hypocrisy. Thanks for correcting me on my mistake of not putting heavy killer bias into what I say.

  • CarpemortumCarpemortum Member Posts: 3,343

    How is a survivor, working on a gen, knowing that you cant just grab and hook them, "free pressure"?


    Unless you mean slugging them and watching. Which still leaves 3 people doing work.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 4,731

    If a survivor sticks on a gen in front of you they're giving you a free hit. Nothing more, nothing less.

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