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Why is Nurse such a rare killer to go against now?

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  • DBD_PinheadDBD_Pinhead Member Posts: 762

    Maybe on PC but she is ABSOLUTE TRASH on console. Survivors can now outrun you anywhere and you get punished even more using her power. In red ranks you have zero room for error and zero time for all that blink fatigue and cooldown crap that adds up. You have to find them and blink to them first and by the time you get to the other side of the map with her you can kiss at least a gen or two goodbye. Even looking at her add ons it looks like the devs said "Sorry not sorry we nerfed Nurse. Here's some non-existent effects to make up for when survivors dance around you like a tether ball pole."

  • silverwolf4455silverwolf4455 Member Posts: 495

    She takes so much time to learn and she is much harder to play. On console she is almost unplayable because of frame rates and sensitivity. Why spend hundreds of hours learning her when spirit or freddy are here?

  • okeoke Member Posts: 102

    just spam plaid flannel, it helps a lot learning her.

  • EndstilleEndstille Member Posts: 2,246
  • copperslycoppersly Member Posts: 2,318

    I agree, if they must keep this abortion of a rework something that would at least make it playable is having 4 blinks in reserve even if you're only able to use 2 at a time. It would make it so much more bearable to play her and I might even reinstall the game again.

  • LegionGhostfaceLegionGhostface Member Posts: 161

    ok i do agree with this, her nerf was too much and unneeded. i do think her basekit cooldown should be reverted only for the sake that it is so glitched right now that you cannot play a game with nurse without being stuck on one blink and unable to use the 2nd. also, nurse's movement speed should def increase, no reason to make it so low

  • UxoricideUxoricide Member Posts: 219
    edited January 2020

    As a former base kit nurse main who knows how to play her and can still get 4k, she lost her fun factor.

    I play killers people think are trash now because they're more fun and that's why I'm playing dbd

  • copperslycoppersly Member Posts: 2,318

    Is that seriously a bug or just the extremely frustrating 99% charge scenario?

    If it's a bug that's just sad. If it's the 99% thing well then it just reinforces how dumb and poorly thought out the changes were.

  • UnironicalygothUnironicalygoth Member Posts: 175

    Recently ive been taking the time to learn nurse so there's that I actually find her not to frustrating to play with

  • katoptriskatoptris Member Posts: 2,475
  • copperslycoppersly Member Posts: 2,318

    Has it been working?

    There's only so much you can learn before her hard skill walls come into play. You can never do what you did before, you are strictly more limited in every single gameplay aspect than before.

  • ABannedCatABannedCat Member Posts: 2,529

    Its an actual bug. Sometimes the game takes your blink ability completely away. Making you a 96% speed M1 killer. In said bug you charge your blink, the Nurse does this weird spazzing out where it looks like she is charging 10 times a second (a bug implemented back in 2016), but now you can't finish charging, and you are just kinda stuck there. You can "cancel" the blinking by stopping holding down M2, but charging again won't solve the bug. Sometimes its only persistent for 1 or 2 blink circles, sometimes its up for the rest of the match.

    A truly gamebreaking bug, completely ignored and forgottten by the developers.

  • Victor_hensleyVictor_hensley Member Posts: 800

    Because the devs don't like fun, and instead like misery.

  • DevourOfSaltDevourOfSalt Member Posts: 254

    Its her cooldown it is such a pain and unfun to have watch it every second just incase u blink to early and for get that u had wait one second more. Not fun at all

    Not only did cooldown make her un enjoyable she still has fatigue and still the slowest moving killer n whole game. (Cooldown add-on dont matter before anyone starts "suggesting" it) as she is now she is not fun to play if the cooldown reverted back u would see more nurse players again.

    To bad that will never happen devs dont give 2 flying fs and that why u dont see any nurse players anymore. Because she is Unfun to play revert her basekit we would see nurse players back again.

  • copperslycoppersly Member Posts: 2,318

    Wow that is TRULY pathetic. Way to bust her kneecaps and just ignore her. Another Legion :(

    Well I completely agree with you. Stuns in PVP games are G A R B A G E, but I've made many posts about that in other games (Overwatch, Smite, etc...) and the general consensus seems to be players either don't mind or actually like stuns. I can't figure out why making your opponent literally unable to play the game while you kill them and win is in any way fun but that's the evidence I've seen.

    I guess having to actually outskill them is just too much for stun players ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • LlamaArmourLlamaArmour Member Posts: 75

    Is the kill rate taking pick rate into account?

    Furthermore, like I said; she's high risk and high reward. She needs to have a massive downside to counter her power.


    Also where did I describe old Nurse? Was it the part where I said she bypasses survivor defences and has a game breaking power? Because that still stands.

  • AtomPAtomP Member Posts: 23

    In other games they are not frequent, and can be potentially played around. You can avoid McCree's flash bang maybe, and it only happens if you are in melee range of McCree. Imagine if you were McCree and every time you fired a shot you had a mechanic called "muzzle recoil" that self-stunned you for 5 seconds. Who would want to play McCree then?

    Obviously you can spend many hours working on blinks and git gud with nurse, but why do I want to waste my time? I'm not a dbd streamer, I get 2 hours of fun a night, why would I want to spend those two hours getting ######### on by survivors while i figure out blinks and get self-stunned every time I make a move? I'd rather play a different killer that doesn't have that mechanic (or more generally, another game because killer becomes less fun over time).

  • LlamaArmourLlamaArmour Member Posts: 75

    Where do I get what from? If you're going to be sarcastic and act like a douche for no reason, at least explain yourself.

    Do you think that she has the lowest kill rate because she has the highest skill cap and hardly anyone plays her, therefore hardly anyone practices her? Or do you always look at data at face value?


    All of your suggestions just make her broken again. Like I said before, her power is game breaking by design, so she needs a massive cool down.


    A) the whole reason the cool down was increased is because a good Nurse would never let you escape as she would always be all over you with next to no rest.

    B) see the answer for A

    C) increasing her base speed would defeat the whole purpose of her design. She's supposed to be a killer that can bypass walls, pallets and windows, but as a trade for that power her base speed is slow. Increasing her base speed would just make her ridiculously OP (not sure if you're trolling)

    D) not sure if you're trolling with this one either but 3/4 blinks is stupid and I'm sure everyone unanimously agrees with that (except you for some weird reason).

    I'm seriously not sure if you're being serious with some of those points lol but if you were a good Nurse like you said you were then you would know those suggestions are ludicrous.

    In fact, I'll give you a suggestion. How about she has 2 blinks with only fatigue as per her old basekit, but only when not in chase. That way, she still has map pressure, but a good Nurse (I'm talking the ones that blink exactly onto you every time) won't be able to destroy teams no matter what.

  • MrPeterPFLMrPeterPFL Member Posts: 636

    The reason why I don’t play her is because of her fatigue mechanic, it feels like you get punish for using your power. Blink once, fatigue, blink and miss a hit, fatigue, Blink and Blink, fatigue etc.

  • EndstilleEndstille Member Posts: 2,246

    I am not quite sure what you mean with does the killrate do take pickrate into account, the killrate is the average amount of kills of said killer in the games being played.

    The thing is, she no longer has a reward part at all. Learning nurse was a thing in the past, the old nurse was perfect for that. I completely disagree that her power is being gamebreaking in any kind or way, it doesn't disable the movement for survivors.

    Movement/Mindgaming was a constant thing against old nurse which made for the most fun trials of them all. No bs, just skill on both sides. She now is a limited version of her former self, little to no map pressure, easy to dodge/juke. They made the counterplay to her so dumbed down it is horrible, you can actually run away in a straight line and it will extend the chase for an long amount of time given how easy it is to do.

  • MrDardonMrDardon Member Posts: 3,467

    People who did well there won't be much difference, they'll still do well.

    But regarding learning her, it's not worth it at all. She was already the hardest Killer to learn and she is even harder to learn now. It's not worth it at all. Mine as well learn Spirit who is also super strong but way easier to learn and play

  • Archimedes5000Archimedes5000 Member Posts: 1,589

    Yeah, like show me another killer that gets fatigue AFTER hit and can down people.

    Fatigue does not affect her blinks, at worst it prolongs the chase by 10 seconds after a hit.

  • TroTro Member Posts: 223

    Let me explain myself since you think I'm being sarcastic.

    “Do you think that she has the lowest kill rate because she has the highest skill cap and hardly anyone plays her, therefore hardly anyone practices her? Or do you always look at data at face value?”

    First off, there’s a reason nobody players her other than her high skill cap, its her reward is not worth the time put into it, you get better results with spirit or hillbilly, hell even new doctor. I’m not looking at data at face value, I’m looking at the facts. By that logic then ruin didn’t need a nerf either because with hundreds of hours of practice anyone can hit great skillchecks…

     

    “All of your suggestions just make her broken again. Like I said before, her power is game breaking by design, so she needs a massive cool down.”

    Actually they do not. I am not saying all of those, I’m suggesting ONE of those, or even something else. She was nerfed for having a ridiculous number of blinks with no downside. Now she has up to 2 which she must use by the way to move because of her base speed being slower than survivors but I’m sure you knew that already.

     

    “A) the whole reason the cool down was increased is because a good Nurse would never let you escape as she would always be all over you with next to no rest.”

    True but they went from 5-6 blinks w no cooldown, to a max of 2 with individual c/ds because the 3 blink addon is a joke. Now you use your blinks to find a survivor, wait for 2 blink cooldowns to come

    back while the survivor makes ground, then you have 2 blinks to catch the survivor and get a single hit, after which you must wait again for 2 c/ds and repeat (btw how much time has elapsed?), and that’s not counting DH, purple addon med kit, and assuming you guessed correctly what the survivor was going to do, if you miss any of your blinks you are done. The reason people don’t play her is not just she is hard to learn; she was just as hard to learn before. The reason people don’t play her now its because it’s not worth it.

    “C) increasing her base speed would defeat the whole purpose of her design. She's supposed to be a killer that can bypass walls, pallets and windows, but as a trade for that power her base speed is slow. Increasing her base speed would just make her ridiculously OP (not sure if you're trolling)”

    Except there’s plenty of things she can’t “bypass”, and the cooldown between blinks and fatigue make it nearly impossible for players to use her with exception of your “top tier nurses” which I have yet to see.

    D) not sure if you're trolling with this one either but 3/4 blinks is stupid and I'm sure everyone unanimously agrees with that (except you for some weird reason).

    3 or 4 blinks would not make her OP because the individual cooldowns and the fatigue would still be there. They could even make it that you can only blink twice in a row but you have up to four blinks in reserve.

  • Archimedes5000Archimedes5000 Member Posts: 1,589

    Yes, you do pop on a survivior, TR is 32m, blink range is 20m, so you need to travel only the 12 meters. So unless the survivior runs the ######### away as soon as he hears your TR, you can blink to them. Dont forget Monitor & Abuse exists and it reduces your TR to 24m, allowing you to blink almost immediately. And thats without range addons.

    What I say is not true on an empty field, if tou want surprise them then they cant see you, so it works best when there are obstacles obstructing surviviors vision. Again, use obstacles, so they dont see you, good surviviors always can predict, but thats what you have chain Blink for. Even if they outplay you, you still have 12m blink.

    Cant argue about Dead Hard because I dont have an access to statistics how many blinks are stopped by it, but I know that reaction DH is very hard, and you cant DH predict nurse in the 0.5s between blink and hit. I dont play often against Nurse bacause she is a rare killer and I dont play that much as a Nurse because she is hard, but its not like I dont play at all.

    Im not saying bugs should not be fixed, Im saying that bugs do not affect the fact that she has the strongest power. And you just said that Devs fixed Sanctum of Wrath. They ARE fixing Nurse bugs.

    Again, Bubba is weaker because his power only works at the end of a chase, this means that unlike Nurse he can be easily looped.

    I thought he was talking about getting to basement by accident, not because of a bug.

    43% killrate proves that she is hard to learn and that most people suck at her, but it does not mean she is not strong in the right hands.

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