Please revert the nerf to nurse's basekit.
DepressedNurseMain
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The nerf to nurse's basekit was too much, she is still the best, but she is so god awful to play now with the huge amount of glitches, bugs, and stuns that you have to deal with while playing her. She's just an overall chore to play, if you want to play the game as nurse prepare to have a depressing time, because she has a massive upkeep to her to be "decent" with her.
Nobody thinks stuns are fun it's just not, if they added something new for nurses to work with during the rework then maybe it would've been different, but they didn't it was just a blanket nerf to nurse, not to mention most of the addons are meme addons that will never see the light of day. I still play her though only because she was the killer I started off playing with first and I have around 2000 hours put into her, but she just isn't fun anymore.
Also I just want to say to the Dev's, if you are making changes to help new players out why make nurse much harder than before and nothing to compensate the changes so new players will always be destroyed. I doubt any new players will ever want to play nurse, everyone knows how many nurse's we see in games now, at least before the nerf people were always willing to try to get better with her.
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Her basekit was too strong, now it's too stressful. At least now she's not op :)
Exactly. I'm gonna outline my issues with it as succintly as I can:
1.) She still has bugs, gamebreaking bugs, despite an entire addon pass/rework that left her worse off and with the same, if not more, bugs than she had prior. She is now Legion status and just left in a corner to collect dust and sell cosmetics.
2.) Her addon pass was supposed to address the OP combos (5 blink & Omega mainly) while making most of her addons that were useless, useful. What we got was about 6 good addons, and the rest are memes, BP gain, or just downright worthless.
If you think an addon that rewards you for landing an attack with your power should give you NO POWER FOR A MINUTE, than you clearly don't understand what makes Nurse fun, nor how to design a good addon.
3.) They lied to us at the start and just kept slowly back-tracking on their statement until it was a full blown basekit change with addon pass
4.) Her fun is just garbage now. She may still be strong but why would you play someone that makes the game x10 more stressful when the game is already extremely stressful as killer?
5.) They completely and utterly ignored our suggestions and complaints on the rework. We have offered so many suggestions that actually make managing blinks take skill and still be fun. What we have now doesn't reward careful managing, it just pushes you to save a blink until you're in a chase.
6.) They acknowledge the fatigue isn't good, yet they kept it in and added another cooldown on top of it that left her janky and super easy to counter
7.) Her counters went from a skillful interaction that required thought on the survivors part to run forward and occasionally change directions for extended chases that require little to no skill from the survivor.
This is the best I can do right now but I'll probs edit it later.
The devs don't care whether or not the killer has fun sadly. As long as the survivors aren't complaining about her then everything is fine to them.
They passed this whole thing off like it was just going to be an OP add on change, but now we are stuck with this boring, stressful, buggy killer. :-(
and we still have a majority of the addons that are WORTHLESS and not even good to run except for meme videos :/
Right? Now i've got 100+ ultra rares I will never use unless I'm in the mood to punish myself or something.
I really miss juking nurses! It was so different playing against them and juking them felt more rewarding and challenging that running around a pallet like an idiot.
"Guys I have a great idea on addons for Nurse!
We'll have one that rewards players for hitting someone with her power by disabling her power!!!!!
One that literally removes half of her power!! for WALK SPEED!!!!
Oh and for those who want more than 2 blins, we'll give them 3 but remove the literally essential part of her power for it!!!!
This will surely please all the Nurse players in the game."
-The balance team at BHVR, probably
I can only play her in small doses now and every time I play her I get zero satisfaction for putting the amount of time I did and getting little to no reward. It doesn't help that many people just say good nurses should get chases done in 10 seconds, but it just isn't plausible now.
One of the big issues I have noticed is a particularly nasty bug that makes it so you can't use your blinks no matter what, I don't know what causes it, but when it happens GG. You also have to hope to god that dedicated servers don't ruin your blink because for some reason a full charge blink may turn into a half blink for no reason.
That was the best part about nurse, she changed the game style that was getting repetitive and stale into something else entirely.
I get that the addons especially omega blink were broken, but apparently making the killer awful to play as is "adding counter-play".
Now it feels like you're playing a Huntress who flings herself forward instead of axes. Especially with the 3 blink addon, it's pretty much just slef flinging at that point.
I don't know what the design team was thinking adding both an addon that takes away the nurses power and an addon that completely changes the dynamic of the nurse's blink for a blink.
Oh fanastic now I can move like an M1 killer without a power for one minute that's going to help me so much.
Yeah that extra blink sure is going to help you so much especially on Léry's Memorial Institute or Hawkins National Laboratory. Good luck going blinking through all of that mess.
@Peanits has the dev team ever considered re looking nurses base kit and possibly reverting it ? I’m trying to learn nurse but the cool down feels to much and there isn’t to many god tier nurses anymore so I don’t think it would make her over used again but she’s a really cool killer but I feel like the cool down is holding me back from preforming 100% with her
They said they were only going to change her addons but they also did her base kit that’s why I’m scared about the billy and leatherface “addon changes”
Oh we all know it's more than addon changes. Don't even fool yourself for one second friend.
No plans to even look at her from the old posts when they actually talked about Nurse.
And from what they post it seems the dev team thinks this was a great change that is engaging and thought provoking. lmao right?
Like coopersly stated it's likely going to be a basekit change as well and it seems like the Devs are into cooldowns these days so get ready for hillbilly and leatherface with a 30s extra cool down after using their powers.
If that’s the case I’ll facecamp/basement camp in those last days lol
Isn't it fun being a generic killer with no special powers while you wait to use your power for a few seconds and then go back to an m1 killer?
Honestly whoever is in the team suggesting cooldowns on everyone needs to go. ASAP.
Would you rather have no cooldown and a weaker power?
It's like making a thread on a buff leatherface thread saying; Would you rather have have an instadown chainsaw or map pressure? Just because she has a strong power doesn't mean you can utilize that power, the only way you can utilize nurse is if you never ever missed, but i'd like to see you try hitting every single blink. Both of those suggestions would exactly help nurse out, she needs no cooldown at all then it'll be a useful great.
-Updated for clarification.
It was a question. Try answering it next time.
Nurse literally can't have a weaker power as she is slower then survivors meaning if her power gets any weaker she can't win.
Please fix nurse. I’ve suggested everyday 4-5 suggestions and other players have put their own. She is neither fun nor efficient killer at this point.
Giver her less stun times or more blinks or more base speed or something else but please change something.
Well there was two ways they could go about nerfing the base kit.
Option 1 was give her a cool down.
Option 2 would be to lower her range and remove the cool down. (Maybe buff speed slightly to compensate?)
I was just curious what people who play Nurse would've preferred if given the choice.
I did, maybe you should reread my question, because I already stated why your advice was a bad idea.
Why does it have to be a dichotomy? In the early days killers NEVER had cooldowns and yet they were unique, diverse, interesting, and usually balanced if not below average even.
What makes the game fun is deciding as the player when and where you want to use your power, not just whenever it's off cooldown and you're in a chase.
It wasn't advice. It was a genuine question.
BHVR thinks the nurse is in a good place right now, I doubt they will do anything to make her more enjoyable to play. We gave them all the advice we could on how to make nurse more fun to play against, but they just destroyed her anyways.
She needs to be buffed or reworked by doing something, Ive even give some ideas:
a) increase her base speed to 4.2-4.4 just like hag/spirit/huntress.
b) give her 3-4 blinks as opposed to 2.
c) Make one recharge bar recharge blinks to maximum (ie. one recharge bar gives you the 2 blinks at once)
d) remove the fatigue and leave the recharges as they are.
e) remove the blink c/ds while not in a chase, that way you start every chase w 2 blinks.
Any one of these changes would put her back in a very good spot without being as OP as she was.
Probably because teleporting through walls and pallets negates a lot of what could be used against killers without cooldowns.
The devs have said themselves that they would've designed her differently if they were making her today, because her design comes with a lot of problems in general.
"Just because she has a strong power doesn't mean you can utilize that power, the only way you can utilize nurse is if you never ever missed" there that's the answer to your question, the answer is that won't help her reducing her power as she is already in a bad place.
By making it a take away scenario you are making nurse worse either option does not help her, just take away the cooldowns and leave the addons that's all we want.