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  • PapiQuentin_PapiQuentin_ Member Posts: 889

    Any killer that has a brain will respect a pallet when in Feral Frenzy. It's common sense.

    Legion gets a free hit, deal with it

  • Archimedes5000Archimedes5000 Member Posts: 1,589

    Not if you smash it on its face.

    And again, that free hit gives him almost nothing.

    This is exactly why legion is bad, his hits do almost nothing.

  • PapiQuentin_PapiQuentin_ Member Posts: 889

    Dude. If he respects the pallet, you're not gonna stun him 😂

  • Archimedes5000Archimedes5000 Member Posts: 1,589

    Then 360him, or run to stronger loop

    Do I have to teach you the game or what

  • XetoilXetoil Member Posts: 94
    edited January 2020

    I didn't think the rework was a nerf, in fact with every patch I feel Legion has gotten better.

    The thing with legion, as it seems to me at least, is that the way to play him is counter intuitive. He seems on the surface to be a kind of rushdown high-octane killing machine, when in reality his strength is in the nuance and not the presentation.

    For example, using feral frenzy you can determine the position of every survivor, play around certain safe pallets, either make survivors waste time healing or encourage them not to heal, and if the situation allows it you can body block, fake out survivors to catch them out of position etc. None of this really feels like "feral frenzy", but its what you can do using his power.

    Is he a really strong killer? I don't think so, but he isn't weak by any means either. People's main complaint with him seems to be that at the core he is just an m1 killer, but unlike all other m1 killers, you only have to m1 once rather than twice if you play your cards right.

    I don't know why this comparison isn't made more to be honest, but the killer he is most similar to is the plague, they both seemed to be built around the same design philosophy of negating the initial health state of all survivors, and the plague really just seems to be a more refined design of that philosophy, which makes sense as she came out right after.

    Personally I love the legion, they're one of my favourite killers to play. I love m1 killers in general, and when I play legion I feel a bit stronger than some of the others, if only for the fact that I only have to do a "traditional DBD mindgame" once instead of twice per chase.

  • PeanitsPeanits Dev, Community Manager Posts: 6,677

    Nope, expected amount being "if all killers were played exactly equally". (100% / number of killers) Legion is played more than that. They're popular.

  • ClickyClickyClickyClicky Member Posts: 3,536

    And yet everyone hates playing against him and wants a rework. This should be cause for concern.

  • PeanitsPeanits Dev, Community Manager Posts: 6,677
    edited January 2020

    Everyone is a very bold claim. There's a ton of people who are willingly choosing to play them as is, and playing against him is nowhere near as annoying as it was before.

  • ClickyClickyClickyClicky Member Posts: 3,536

    Its not playing as him that people complain about so much (though many seem unhappy). its going against him that sucks.

    I actually preferred him before tbh. At least when he was slow it was safer to not heal. Now everyone kind of heals and again its just M1 all game.

  • PulsarPulsar Member Posts: 12,514

    It isn't like being injured and completing gens ASAP isn't already the meta.

    Also, it is super easy to miss FF on console. Makes your frames drop to maybe 5

  • KhorzadKhorzad Member Posts: 143

    My problem with Legion is how unnecessary frustrating they are to play. Yes, they have their strengths and they are not literal trash, but even in their best moments, when they are at their most fun, they are still just a shadow of the fun that you had when playing Old Legion. Because before, they felt fast, like you were in a frenzy , but now? Now they just had too many restrictions to their powers to capture that same feeling, something your powers hinders you more than it helps you, you don’t feel powerful while using it.

    And I know, that is because Legion now is a different type of Killer, but I still think that is an inferior, less fun and boring Killer. Yes, Old Legion was broken, and it need a fix, but they could have done much better than this in my opinion. I remember people posting tons of interesting ideas for their rework, to make them fair and fun for both sides and still capture the spirit of the killer, but in my opinion, the devs did the minimum that they could have done to “fix” them, and because they seem content with what that, we have now a more generic Killer.

    But really, what bothers me the most that all of those restrictions were there to fix the issues with Old Legion, but despite the character changing so much that it can not be played like Old Legion at all, those restrictions still exist, and could be taken away and Legion would still be balanced.

  • GeordieKillerGeordieKiller Member Posts: 401

    so no changes like a reduce stun time after use of ff or removing the 50% off frenzy when doing basic hit and yeah hes not annoying to play against as you reduced his stall for speed. It would be fair to say that a large portion of people want to see better changes to legion then what we were giving.

  • Snow_LepSnow_Lep Member Posts: 284

    Nah. I still play Legion commonly. His power is tweaked, but honestly still works well enough in the same way to be effective.

    Smack someone, if other people nearby, smack them too, and repeat, or if no other people nearby (or the last person who you haven't smacked) commit the chase and down them. Hook and then the other survivors are left with a choice, heal first and save (which is time consuming considering Sloppy is a must on Legion) or go to unhook while injured. If nobody else is injured, it puts people in a closer section to try to frenzy hit them and injure and repeat.

    As a killer the Legion punishes heals because of how fast and easy it is to reinjure and yet requires being healed otherwise that M1 is just as effective as any other instadown power.


    Legion doesn't have a braindead power. While it gives instant locating abilities, if you can't counter loops or catch people, you will suffer for it. Survivors can fit into 3 main categories when it comes to views on Legion.

    1. Whack, mend, heal, repeat. It stalls the game since you waste time healing, making it annoying.

    2. Whack, mend, fail loops, get hooked, repeat. Legion is just unfun as they force injuries on people and it makes me play injured. Ok. Plag does the same thing.

    3. Whack, mend, do just fine injured. The rare one, but the people who just play injured with no issue. I'm one of these. I run Iron Will and Dead Hard for 2 of my perks, being injured doesn't exactly bother me.

  • Snow_LepSnow_Lep Member Posts: 284

    Oh that near black screen for 4 seconds. Unless you have Iron Will, you're still getting found. Sounds are a thing in the game and get used for tracking more than the scratch marks by some killers.

  • PapiQuentin_PapiQuentin_ Member Posts: 889

    Ok yeah. He respects the pallet so he's totally gonna fall for a 360 or just wait until I get to another loop.

    Do me a favour and play the game

  • RakimSockemRakimSockem Member Posts: 1,691

    My hate for Legion has been pretty consistent. At first they were annoying AND broken (moonwalk, look at the ground to break chase crap)

    Now they're just annoying.

    I don't like being chased, hit, and then left alone to run around injured or find someone to heal me (because who runs self care anymore). I'd rather get downed and killed than hurt and left alone. The matches drag and they go on forever. I like quick matches

  • Archimedes5000Archimedes5000 Member Posts: 1,589

    You can reaction 360 and just let the animation enchancement do the job for you.

    Or just let yourself get hit and go back to doing gens

  • TalmeerTalmeer Member Posts: 1,520
    edited January 2020

    I had sound problems for some weeks in dbd. It's for sure not the fault of the survivors, but it had made it still difficult for me sometimes and then there is iron will as you said by yourself.

    Besides that, of course if you are facing a more experienced killer, you're chances going low on still outplay him - even with this advantage, but that is nothing unique to the Legion (and imo, dbd is for me still a 4v1 game, not a game where a survivor always has to win in a 1v1 situation).

    Every killer can catch up on a survivor in mindgame like scenarios like this, including the Legion.

    The only difference is, that not every killer has to suffer under a long stun as the Legion. So... if this annoys you... You should never meet the majority of the other killers :).

    @Peanits

    Depends about which people you talk. As said before - not every human being is the same. I have knew 1 survivor personally (in real life) and read many survivors in my endgame-chat that have enjoy the matches against me as Legion main (to pre patch times).

    I had even make screenshots of some of the endgame chats, because of all the haters (I know the internet rule - aka "screenshot or it didn't happen").

    That said, I was to no time a Legion main who had use exploits and only 1 time the op addons for testing. The majority of my matches have I play without addons, like today and such a Legion like I had play it, had always counterplay.

    While some survivors are now happy, to face just another m1 killer that they can counterplay like every other killer, others have dislike it and in their eyes - dbd has lost a bit variety with it.

  • ALostPuppyALostPuppy Member Posts: 3,398

    Sure you get the first free hit, but then what? You say that people who play Legion can't win chases normally yet they literally have to chase the survivors more normally than every other killer in the game to get a down because Legion's power doesn't win chases. Wraith and GhostFace get free hits all the time but nobody complains about that aspect of those killers. Myers can hit you with tier3 from out of nowhere and there's nothing you can do about it. If you're injured against a Spirit with Stridor there's absolutely no counterplay there it's a complete guessing game. It's not just Legion who gets free hits or downs (they can't even do the latter for free unless you're bad at running killers).

  • DWolfAlphaDWolfAlpha Member Posts: 927

    Yeah, I like playing Legion (Suzy is best girl), and they're definitely more fun to play as since their FF speed went back up. I was worried about the basic attack removal, but TBH, speed was the way to go. If I had to pick one complaint, it would be ending FF on a miss. I play on console, so the Auto aim makes me miss quite a lot. Even if it just drained your meter a little for missing, it would be better.

  • thelioncidthelioncid Member Posts: 43

    For me he is a fun killer, he is one of the ones with more game and with whom I have more murders. I like their aesthetics and how to extend the games, just as I like to play against them I like to dodge frenzy

  • mixttomixtto Member Posts: 2

    Unfun, unfair and unbearable to play against. That's all.

  • swager21swager21 Member Posts: 1,019

    i like legion, i main him as a killer. when i play survivor seeing a legion doesnt piss me off. the chases are usually really fun for me and i dont find him annoying, but seeing him vault a pallet that i put down does annoy me a little bit. as a killer i can easily average 3 kills (not 4 cuz the last person always finds the hatch before me) without using any cheap tactics (facecamping, proxycamping, tunneling)

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