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The SWF Bias

Can't wait to get hate for this...

Why are people so quick to jump on the SWF hate train? Anytime something happens in game that they don't like, someone goes off about "SWF Crutch" or "SWF OP" or "Toxic SWF".

I'm not denying that super sweaty SWF groups exist. Just like there are super sweaty Killers. But do you ever think that people just want to come home from work and hop online and play a game with their friends?

When I play Killer, I hope that I'm up against SWF. Why? Cause I know they're gonna be SUPER altruistic to save someone they know, rather than some random they matched up with. Just makes it easier for me to get points and kills. But, go off I guess.


  • CarlosyluCarlosylu Member Posts: 2,863

    You sir have my upvote, I adore playing with my usuar SWF and as killer I never lobby dodge

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,306

    People have it in their minds only swf can play optimally as survivor. Spoiler Alert: playing survivor doesn't require much info or awareness to be played properly. If you watch Ussylis you'd see how little the difference can be between the two. I personally enjoy facing swf as killer because I play more sweaty builds (slug billy, anti-heal GF, Trapper's basement) and I enjoy a bit of a challenge. Sadly, survivors at red ranks aren't as skilled as they used to be, even swf.

  • ermsyermsy Member Posts: 532

    It doesn't require info or awareness but it sure does help. Even ussylis makes mistakes or misinterpretes situations due to lack of information, it's probably why he's always paranoid about being 3 gened.

    As a killer on PS4 90% of my games involve a clear weak link or two on the survivors team, they could be solo or inexperienced but either way it's what gives me the edge. The other 10% being a full squad playing optimally giving me no chance.

    Because its only 10% of the time that this happens, I'm not bothered by it and just move on to the next game.

  • fleshboxfleshbox Member Posts: 494

    Why is it that you never see BOND or Empathy in high ranked games? Why should they when they can tell each other where they are. Just one example of how outside communication means more than "just having fun".

    This affects gameplay. By the way, the killer is over there hence hardly anybody but solo's take detection perks. Others use spine for the extra vaulting speed only.

  • SolAkiraSolAkira Member Posts: 71

    As true as this is as I was reading this I had a basement camping bubba with insidious. Would have never known that without my friend telling me. He had a 3k because the other 2 didnt know.

  • hocruxhocrux Member Posts: 211

    People are not dumb they can distinguish between swf and solo by them perks and add ons and how organized their play was, problem is as a killer you can only gauge that mid-game by then it's hard to adjust your playstyle. It's like starting at an disadvantage playing as a killer. Before anyone say git gud/apply map pressure etc i'm red rank survivor and killer( threshold for red ranks ez)

  • Archimedes5000Archimedes5000 Member Posts: 1,589

    The problem with SWF is that they have 4 items, 4 offerings and 16 perks. And an ability to communicate. Good [BAD WORD] luck.

  • Aven_FallenAven_Fallen Member Posts: 7,215

    Because people mistake SWF for being good at the game. If 4 Potatoes are in an SWF, they are still 4 Potatoes. Sure, SWF always give an advantage, but 4 godlike Solo Survivors will give a hard time to a Killer anyway.

    Playing in an SWF does not make some bad or mediocre Survivors godlike.

    And well, its easy to blame SWF instead of your own incapability. Its not your fault that you lose, because you are not that good as you think you are, no, it must be SWF (even tho, those are 4 Solos you just lost to).

  • Archimedes5000Archimedes5000 Member Posts: 1,589

    It does not make them gods, but gives them an (UNFAIR) advantage. When Killers uses a bug to get unfair advantage, he gets banned. Same with surviviors. SWF get unfair advantage and are untouchable.

  • Aven_FallenAven_Fallen Member Posts: 7,215

    Because SWF is not a Bug. Hard to believe that I actually have to say this.

  • Archimedes5000Archimedes5000 Member Posts: 1,589

    Like I said, its a way to get unfair advantage. Abusing bugs is one of them. Using cheats is other. Using comms is the same, just because its approved by devs doesnt mean its fair. And even SWF without comms has an advantage, because they know eachothers perks, offerings, items, playstyles, ranks and can plan their tactics beforehand. So thats why people dont like SWF.

  • OrangeJackOrangeJack Member Posts: 410

    A sweaty SWF will trump any killer usually unless they throw because of super altruism.

    Majority of SWFs are potatoes but at its highest level a similarly skilled killer will usually lose imo atleast.

  • danielmaster87danielmaster87 Member Posts: 1,303

    I'm all for playing with friends. It's the intention that is the problem. SWF is abused to the point of, "Let's just gen rush the killer and always know where he is and coordinate Head-ons and flashlight saves." And with all that confidence comes breathing room for toxicity. It was never meant to be like that, but here we are.

  • danielmaster87danielmaster87 Member Posts: 1,303

    But there's no indicator that says they're SWF, so it's just a guessing game whether to be sweaty or chill.

  • SchmierbachSchmierbach Member Posts: 428
    edited February 2020

    *Flashbacks to the God Loop on Rancid Abattoir against a SWF* I've seen some things that no killer should have to see...

  • Wubsyy__Wubsyy__ Member Posts: 116

    How it works is, if a survivor plays well, they were obviously in a swf. There was nothing the killer could've done better, it's all SWF time

  • karlofflugosikarlofflugosi Member Posts: 61

    The bias against swf is that the voice com gives a huge advantage, period. If you want to play swf without voice com, the way the game was intended, fine, go nuts. But if you need that advantage in a 4 vs 1 contest, maybe you should all take your own advice and "git gud". (Btw, that's sarcasm.)

  • jorklejorkle Member Posts: 15

    The real question is, for people who are complaining about it, what can be done?

  • TunnelVisionTunnelVision Member Posts: 863

    More of a reason to have a solo queue for killers, then people like you can queue for swf and people like me can play solo. Everyone gets what they want. People are only scared of this option because the vast majority do not want to play swf.

  • AcculllaAccullla Member Posts: 963

    When somebody loses badly its much easier to chalk it down to 'I played against a super sweaty swf' rather than accept that they got outplayed. Doesn't apply to all cases, but I do believe it applies to most

  • Johnny_XManJohnny_XMan Member Posts: 3,017
    edited February 2020

    People will blame SWF even when it isn't because they need an excuse to make themselves feel better about how they played. Period.

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