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NOED nerf compromise OR be nerfed into the ground

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  • kid187emkid187em Member Posts: 102

    So survivors should get to know what perks the killers are running? That would be no different than saying that killers should know when a survivor has ds so they don't pick them up and get stunned and if they still pick them up they deserve to get stunned. See how that sounds?

  • PB182PB182 Member Posts: 80

    If you play solo you're screwed when it comes to trying to cleanse all the totems. For one, you're wasting a large amount of time not doing gens because the killer may or may not have a perk. 2 you don't know how many totems have been cleansed or not cause you can't communicate with the other survivors. And 3 if you do to find all the totems and cleanse them who's to say that you'll even get that far to end game because you've spent most of the time looking for totems and cleansing them.

  • rephaimrephaim Member Posts: 96

    Noed sucks tbh. We all just escape anyway

  • Micheal_MyersMicheal_Myers Member Posts: 1,144

    NOED is fine =/


    If you want to nerf NOED, Nerf Gen Speed, And ToolBox speed. Then we'll talk.


    Until then NOED is fine =/

  • Warlock_2020Warlock_2020 Member Posts: 1,868

    As I said a million times, I don't care about NOED. I use it in some end game builds. There is a problem where NOED becomes a crutch for bad or toxic killers. When you have a face camping killer, the agreed cure is gen rush, but NOED kicks in and rewards the killer with extra kills. If you take time to bone hunt it rewards the bully with extra kills.

    Anyone being honest with themselves knows most hardcore campers are merely trying to grief and bully players. I think NOED only enables them more, which I find regrettable. Tying a hook minimum to NOED with a guaranteed spawn of the hex totem actually strengthens the perk while handicapping griefers.

  • TheAntiSantaTheAntiSanta Member Posts: 123

    Can we nerf a toxic survivor perk into the ground, before we go after another toxic killer perk, please? Maybe one that has a much higher usage number, than NOED? Y'all just got the perk that made matches last more than 10 seconds taken away, and now you're coming for the perk that Killers need if the game takes less than 10 seconds. Get out of my face with this garbage.

  • joker7997joker7997 Member Posts: 899

    THE CRYING NEVER STOPS. noed is basically the only counter left to hardcore gen rushing, so that console players can play killers besides Fred's and billy, thats why everyone is using it now that ruins been nerfed. Do totems and stop crying. If they do to noed what they did to ruin I'm out, I'm sure your survivor whiny baby queue times will double and your little bully session will be out of business in months.

  • saminationsamination Member Posts: 312

    Noed HAS been nerfed into the ground.

  • AvisDeeneAvisDeene Member Posts: 2,396

    If your problem was with crutch or bad killers than you wouldn’t be asking for a nerf to NoEd, you’d be asking the Devs to hurry the hell up with their ranking and matchmaking overhaul.

    Camping and Tunneling killers wouldn’t be matched up with you since they wouldn’t rank up. Instead you’d be matched up against players of similar levels.

    Besides, just like NoEd, tunneling and camping have their counters, you just have to pick which counters you’re willing to bring in to the match.

  • RuncoreRuncore Member Posts: 328

    There will be no compromises before there is compromise in gen speed. That is problem n1 now.

  • Brucecastro81Brucecastro81 Member Posts: 1,609

    BubbaPls

  • AshleyWBAshleyWB Member Posts: 4,062

    I think a lot of you are completely missing my point.

    I'm talking about if noed did get a nerf (which is very likely in my opinion) then what would be a nerf which you would find acceptable.

    You can't pretend noed is untouchable because it is the one killer perk Survivors hate most.

  • Mister_xDMister_xD Member Posts: 7,211

    do totems.

    why should we nerf a killer perk that is 100% reliant on survivors to ever activate?


    asking for a NOED nerf is basically the definition of "im too lazy to do something against this, so ill just ask the devs to do the work for me"

  • TroTro Member Posts: 223

    OR...assume there’s noed and cleanse the damn totems?

    Or don’t open the door yet, find noed, destroy it, unhook the poor soul who got downed and all escape?

    Or a little less altruistic, leave the poor soul who got downed and leave. 3 escaping beats 4 dead?

  • LieutenantRaageLieutenantRaage Member Posts: 21

    Anyone saying that NOED needs to be nerfed (like adding cooldown or requiring tokens) is bad at the game and lazy to boot. Maybe if you learn to play better and cleanse totems it won't be a problem.

  • ZamblotZamblot Member Posts: 270

    When I first read your comment it started to annoy me but then I read your solutions and mate you have got the right idea!

  • MVR5533MVR5533 Member Posts: 6

    Sorry though N.O.E.D is just fine it's the only perk that a killer can use for gen rushing an if u Nerf that it will be all over for new killers suvivers still escape with that perk the perks that should be Needed is Prove Thyself an toolboxes

  • evil_one_74evil_one_74 Member Posts: 312

    NOED is easily countered by taking out totems. I'm rank 4 survivor btw. As your walking around the map, take out every totem you see. That will eliminate NOED. The only change I would make to NOED would be to put it back the way it was in the beginning where only tier 3 was instadown.

  • ThatLaurieMainThatLaurieMain Member Posts: 16
    edited February 2020

    "And that is one of the fundamental flaws in the perk that needs reworking. It is getting you 1 hit downs for doing nothing."

    sweetheart that's an opinion, not a fact. it isn't anything. imo i don't think that's a fundamental flaw. i agree with GHOSTfaceP3 noed is fine. yeah i think it's a cheap way to get kills but that doesn't mean there are" fundamental flaws"

    "They feel shame because even they know they are getting the kills undeserved and for doing nothing. They can tell it feels cheap. They feel shame in using it for the exact same reason the survivors hate it. Yet now you are suggesting a change that literally ignores the reason both sides dislike it entirely. Your change isn't addressing the problem."

    like i said, your so called "problem" is an opinion not a fact so maybe for the next time instead of conducting a discussion based on assumptions and opinions conduct it based on facts ;)

    Post edited by Rizzo90 on
  • Gamer29Gamer29 Member Posts: 26

    Imagine a perk needing to be nerfEd bc some entitled brats are too lazy to counter by simply cleansing a totem lol. The irony of calling people trash for using a perk that is so easy to counter.

  • Snow_LepSnow_Lep Member Posts: 284

    Or... Just break totems?

    Points alone make the time to break a totem worth it. Combine that with Inner Strength being a rather good perk to run, there is almost no drawback to cleansing totems now that gens are easier to do with how Ruin has been changed.

    There is no reason to change the perk other than the number of survivors who are now complaining about the number of killers running it since the Ruin changes.

    Crazy how it went from Ruin being complained about being used a lot to NOED being complained about after people were able to do gens. 🤔

  • Nazeef13Nazeef13 Member Posts: 436

    Noed doesn't need to be nerfed and I don't think it will.

    It is possible though it might get a indirect nerf if they ever introduce a totem break counting mechanism as a way to bring solos on par with swf

  • LetcheLetche Member Posts: 95

    Yes. If DS is this big of a problem for you, this is your solution until or unless they come out with a new perk that counters it.

    There are a few perks with no 'work around' (thanataphobia, coulrophobia, corrupt intervention, whispers, bamboozle which is grossly under used imo, etc) and will probably be more to come as more perks get added, there will be more counters and synergies.

    You cannot avoid having to work through certain perks.

    It is that simple.

    'What is my nemesis?' If you answered NOED, you should be bringing totem finding perks and/or a map and be focusing on finding totems from the get-go. The way totem spawns are now, they are not hard to find on most maps and the ones where they are? Perks for that. Map for that.

    There's only five of them and the time spent cleansing them is worth knowing by end game, if you reach it, you won't have to worry about it and you've ultimately screwed the killer out of one of their four perks (if they have it, if they didn't, at least you know they definitely don't now). It's a high risk, high reward kind of perk.

    The only change I could see being even remotely necessary is removing the speed buff, but even then if you do all the totems you don't have to worry about it anyway.

    Your priorities should be based on what you have the most trouble against in general.

  • Christ survivors are whiney. At what point will you stop blaming killer and their fleeting strengths and capabilities and just get better? You can end a game in 4 minutes if the person the killer is chasing actually has a brain and can loop for longer than 30 seconds. And if your in high ranks than that strong looping survivor will be the whole team. And while killer is forced to chase the rabbit to get progress twords killing the team, every other survivor is on a gen hitting great skill checks back to back with a toolbox and new parts. The worst part is the devs are completely on the survivors side. If noed gets nerf like ruin did I guarantee that dead by daylight will lose a vast majority of killer players and the que times are gonna get twice as long. And believe it or not in not a killer main I'm a p3 ash with a p1 trapper and p1 huntress and most killer and survivor perks unlocked. Survivors need to grow up. If you dont like noed then find the totems. If its to hard for you to gind the totems bring a map. Their is not one situation in this game that survivor cant get out of with skill and good choices of add-ons and knowledge of maps and loops.

  • I dont think you get that killer cant protect gens. Sounds like someone started of the survivor side of the archive tree. Play some of the killer missions at around rank 10. At that point the game says your good enough and will toss you to people around rank 9-3. But maybe some times the game Will give to a big middle finger in the shape of rank 1 ooo with Sprint burst, ds, and adrenaline with a Insta heal on hand. If you think noed is broken go ahead and try using it on killer against people with actual brains.

  • xoBlackBettyxoBlackBetty Member Posts: 25

    Survivor main & omg yes.


    I would die every time that last gen popped to see 3 more gens light up - BUT it would still be way more fair than a ######### killer camping the only hook they've managed to get the entire game & turning it into a 3/4k.


    At that point it's still making killers work for their kills, but it also encourages survivors to do alternative objectives & thus slowing gen progress, or if survivors don't do totems, it punishes them & still slows gen progress.


    I'd say this is the fairest "compromise" I've read on this thread yet. Well put. Bravo.

  • xoBlackBettyxoBlackBetty Member Posts: 25

    & All this talk on nerfing BT. I know some toxic survivors run it to farm people off the hook before you can leave, but that is just as bad for survivors. I HATE when I get unhooked in front of the killer, right after being hooked. Like PLEASE give this guy some time to move away from my hook, maybe find/chase someone else. No one likes being farmed.


    The best thing a survivor can do is let them hang for at least half their first phase, especially with the new ruin. We need to stay on gens more now, at least til ruin's taken out. The rest of us run borrowed when we're getting a ton of douchey camping a-holes.


    So if you want BT nerfed, talk to your less talented counterparts about being more active in the game than babysitting hooks, because that's what BT is there for. They make perks not just to complicate the game, but to counter frustrating scenarios as well- so the game can be ENJOYABLE. & Being as the game is FOURvONE, yeah you bet the survivors voices are heard. There's 4 of them to every one of you. 💯

  • goldenchild74goldenchild74 Member Posts: 47

    I truly hate going against noed but honestly if dont do dull totems and just hold m1 on generators the whole game thts your fault. Its not like you cant counter this perk, its not invincible. All totems spawn near gens.

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