Problem is any beginning Hex perks when people see it will cleanse it fast but not noed until they know you have it.
I need to use noed now on all killers because that beat the ranks 1 survivors that annoy me so much.
You have no counter argument. You said NOED is 100% preventable, even against campers. I told you outside of crawling to the gate, DS is 100% preventable. Both are incorrect by any logical player, but we are going by YOUR logic. You 100% have the option to not pick up or grab the survivor who may have DS... just as you say 100% the survivors should have to cleanse all the dulls to prevent NOED no matter what...even against a facecamper. (You should adamantly speak out against “just do gens” btw, as I guess 99% of players are wrong saying to do this, you are the 1% who looks for dull totems to cleanse them all). Now let’s see you continue to show bias and not acknowledge the issue. I have already admitted how DS can be problematic when it comes to hooking someone else. Unlike you, I’m actually seeing both sides.
"everyone" -> tiny forum minority.
All of sudden? I thought baby Bubba campers with NOED were there for quite some time...
So why nerf NOED? Well not really nerf it, just nerf it for campers, bad players and no one else.
NOED can be used only on surviviors you have hooked before.
So basically this will be a nerf only for killers who cant even menage to get 4 BBQ stacks. And if you get only 3 stacks, then thats still 3 people you can use NOED on.
Ruin got nerfed, so killers adapted by moving to NOED and now everyone is crying about it. Before Ruin nerf I didn't see as many NOED users or posts complaining about NOED.
Its easy, because survivors dont have to be scared of Ruin and NOED is last perk that can punish them for gen-rushing so they want to destroy it. They want easy game without problems, just 3-4 mins of genrushing and then run....
As someone who plays both killer and survivor pretty equally I think noed is in a good place right now you can say "it takes no skill!" And it's op but really the only people it's op towards or swf or super altruistic players if you see someone get hit with noed then leave immediately and if you're the one that got hit then just eat the lick just because you died doesn't mean you lost and you shouldn't get upset about it because noed had no factor in the game until the Egc and it took up a perk slot for the killer that they could have used the whole game.
What's funny is Detention (NOED in Identity V) is legit meta (ran on every Hunter practically default) yet nobody complains. It's only here where Survivors have been spoon fed wins by killers being complete garbage, that they want NOED gone. All the Survivors here should go play Identity V, where %80 of Survivors have reduced "gen speed," killers can end chases super quick, and "hooks" take at default 45 seconds per stage.
Wanna know why they don't complain? It's because tracking the Killers "Perks" is easy to do, so you can figure out if they're running it, which means plan ahead. Don't see them running Bamboozle or "Insolence" ("Perk" to level up their power), you know they have Trump and Detention.
Guess what? It's the same in DBD! If you notice that they seem to only have 3 perks, I wonder what the 4th is? It's almost as if you have to use a 3rd brain cell other than "run to pallet" and "press m1 to win" to play Survivor optimally. If you REALLY wanna play optimally, use a 4th that says "just in case, let's cleanse" and get rid of all totems. Congrats, if they have NOED, they lost a perk without ever getting to use it, and if they didn't, enjoy the BP!
And to those saying "NOED" is free power with no skill from killer" you realize he's chosen to play the first 3 minutes of the match with 3 perks right? Also, you talk about not having to work for power from the perk, look at pretty much ALL survivor perks, free power with no effort needed.
Its because at end game, if survivors were good, the killer would have gotten only like, 2 hooks and looped for all the gens in that time.
If the killer was playing "fair" IE not tunneling recently unhooked survs, not slugging, not bringing a mori to play by their namesake and actually friggin kill people, these situations happen even more often, play by their rules, and You Get [BAD WORD]. If you play killer, you need to play dirty, then at the end game, when the last survivor gets their Lone Survivor movie ending, you did your job.
Not the killers fault really, it happens often. With BT, and DS on just 2 survivors and unbreakable on 1, even NOED can be countered at the end game, and from green ranks upwards, they Have those meta perks.
I've tried noed, didn't work, especially against Nancies, they love bones, didn't even activate, I had a game against a SWF and right after the first down with noed the totem got broke because the Claudette was waiting for it. I've recently picked it up again, and let me tell you, survs don't look for bones anymore, the ruin nerf unintentionally nerfed survivors bone detectors, they completely ignore them! Half the time I get 2-3 kills before the gens get done, and that to me is a win as long as I black-pip, even with 2k you can get that darn entity displeased, feelsbadman.
NOED is a perk with a name and a meaning, No One Escapes Death, end game is reaping hour, you either gtfo and let steve die on 1 hook. Or you YOLO that [BAD WORD]. You can soft counter NOED with 3, sometimes 4 perks, DS, BT, DH, and If the killer slugs, Unbreakable. You can hard counter it by doing a bone inbetween gens, keep track of how many you cleansed, if you cleansed 2 during that time, you can look for the others before the last gen is done. Or bring 1 of 2 really great totem spotting perks, a Map, or just not being a blind M1 robot during the game.
Even with rift challenges, you can still cleanse, you don't need perks to polish some bones.
Everyone? If grey rank survs crying about NOED on forum it means "everyone"?
Oh, wait, for "devs" it is.
It’s not all of a sudden its been requested for years. Barely anyone asked for Ruin to be nerfed. If you have survivors a choice between Ruin and Noed for the nerfhammer they would have picked NOED everytime.
These people don’t play survivor so they have no idea. They expect survivors to play perfectly, get all 5 gens done and all 5 totems cleansed within the 2 minutes it takes a survivor to die on hook because in their mind all 5 gens really can be done within 2 minutes.
They’ve never played solo and had other survivors sandbag, vault pallets to try and get the killer to kill you all because you cleansed dull totems and post game they rip into you that you were wasting time with it and not helping the team. Because for some reason there are a number of survivors out there who take offence to cleansing dull totems.
Cuz they're bad...all they do is gen rush nowadays.
Eh. Nah. Noed is OP in the sense that it requires very little work on the killer's part and almost never does a team fully clear every totem. it's easier just to reach endgame and then if someone goesdown, find noed on one of the many dull totems you came across on your travels and cracking it then. Killers are dumb if they think survivors should go through cracking literally every totem every game for 1 perk that not every killer needs. it is a baby killer perk 100% in that it will help you get at LEAST one down at the end should u happen across someone, and if they dont FEEL LIKE searching for noed you get a single kill. If that's worth it to you then I'm fine with that, I'm of the opinion that usually if you're running noed, you're probably bad and you need it but that's just my opinion. Rarely do actual good killers depend on noed.
So nerfing it is a no from me but just assume I hate you and your training wheels.
The list is going down, next is PopGTW
Hopefully the devs implement an AI system soon because it's obvious that's what Survivors want
After they implement the forums is gonna be like:"Nerf AI"
NOED needs a nerf?
The killer usually only downs one player with it, camps the hook while survivors have two minutes to find and cleanse the totem.
Or another survivor trades with the hooked player extending the time for survivors to look for it once again.
How is that powerful?
Players refuse to break totems mid match out of fear of notifying the killer of their position then complain about the perk and label the killer bad?
If the gens are done and you still haven't pip'd that's a you problem js
Lets not forget the "echo chamber" effect.
Once one prominent person mentions it EVERYONE needs to be on that train.
Yes bc it’s so hard to find a totem
and cleanse it lol!! Should we take out the killers altogether in the game. This way you don’t have to worry about finding a totem to
Cleanse , you can just sit on your Gens and fix it, repeat and rinse,. You probably can’t even play Killer since you can’t even find a totem. Here is a big counter to NOED, don’t get caught. If you were actually and a smart player that had some skill you would be Able to leave without getting killed. It’s called stealth!!! Not to hard. Since this game has been out, I have yet to be caught by NOED. If my team mate stupidly got caught, you know what I do first I go find that one totem that is lit and cleanse it. Lol!! I actually get more BP for that. Then again I have the platinum in the game. Maybe I just have more skill then the average entitled player who cry first to make things easier then actually learning some skills!
Not really "all of the sudden"; NOED has been a topic since I joined the Forums. It is not new that people want NOED to be changed. Meanwhile they changed Ruin, which nobody asked for, even tho their reasoning is really understandable.
Thing is, why I dislike NOED: You dont need to learn how to loop when you get those 4% extra MS at the end. The Instadown is one thing, but pairing that up with 4% extra is simply BS.
Then, NOED is a bigger threat for Solos than for SWF, if I would play in a 4 man SWF, I can easily be sure if 5 Totems are gone. As Solo, while cleansing myself, I dont know what the others are doing. And the Emblem System does not allow that I just run around, cleansing Totems.
Not to mention that it is not optimal at all to cleanse Totems for a Perk the Killer might not even have. While I am someone who cleanses every Totem he finds, this is highly unproductive for just a few points. I can spend those seconds on a Gen and be a bigger help for my Team.
Also the Totem Spots on some Maps are really good, making it difficult to find all Totems.
And last but not least and probably my biggest reason for my NOED-Hate: Bad Killers who just camp a Survivor. It is always said "Just do Gens then", which is indeed the Counter to a camping Killer. However, there is not enough time to do all the Gens AND cleanse all Totems, leaving the Killer with NOED to secure at least another Kill...
I really wish for a Change of NOED, I mentioned it earlier, OhTofu made a good suggestion which removes the Totem Status of NOED and let the Killer gain a Token for every Hook he gets, and each Token grants 0,5% Movement Speed and after a certain number of Hooks, the Killer gets the Insta-Down (both after all Gens were done). This is so much better, it rewards not the guy who does not know how to play Killer and also not that guy who just facecamps the first person he found, but those Killers who are actually giving their best get a reward at the end which might help them to turn the game around.
Go ahead and nerf noed, in return how about a MS buff for all killers across the board with maybe an extra effect blindness exhaustion etc for 60 seconds. Id almost be willing to do that 😈 bwahahah
Edit: After reading some more comments, even better idea, lets remove the hex requirement of NOED. That way when people say DUH KILLUH GUTS REWURDUHD FER PLUYING BUUUDDD NUURF NO COUNTEROPPPP" then they will be right 😁
People are not wanting noed nerfed all of a sudden. This forum is like 40% killers complaining about bt, adrenaline, etc., 40% complaining about noed, 15% people complaining about the 'us versus them' mentality here, and 5% general discussion. The beef between the bloods and the crips is over whether noed is balanced or not. Archaeogists have unearthed ancient burial tombs with hieroglyphics inscribed on the walls calling for nerfs for noed. The Amazon Rainforest is actually a post in braille talking about how op noed is, and the fact that humans keep deleting parts of it is why bad things happen.
The devs have listened to useless complaints before, so...
All of a sudden?
This is daily a part of the DbD forums.
Because they want "Facecamping/Tunneling against Ruin nerf" back on, but the Ruin part changed for Noed 😎
When it first released it was completely busted. No counter but stealth as it released before hex perks did
Wait, Survivors spawn on hook now !!?? Unless this is just exaggeration you have more than 2 minutes to do 5 gens (80 seconds by default for 3 people on each gen) and have the opportunity to cleanse any totem you found throughout the trial. Didn't found all 5 and NOED activated ? You know where the totem isn't so finding now is easier than ever.
Also, "these people" don't play Killer if they don't know that you are playing with 3 perks for a gamble at Endgame, if that isn't enough of an effort than do it yourself, play with only 3 perks and say that you don't need the slot for DS or BT or your favorite exhaustion perk.
Very true, since they win every time they are now going after noed, and they will win. They always do