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Inconsistencies between Zarina and Caleb's backstories (and how they make MORE sense)

VolantConch1719VolantConch1719 Member Posts: 1,095

While we wait for Chains of Hate to officially come out so I can place Caleb Quinn in the Killer Timeline, I noticed that he and Zarina are connected. The reason Zarina got caught by the Entity is because she was investigating Caleb's massacre of Hellshire Penitentiary.

Except, in Zarina's lore, it's called the "Mad Mick Massacre," instead of something like the "Cataclysmic Caleb Catastrophe." Yesterday, I thought nothing of it, but the more I thought of it, the less sense it made. Then, I looked further. Zarina's research leads us to an Irish-born inmate who was sentenced to Hellshire for 15 years for assault. This matches Caleb in every way... except one. Caleb was born in America, not Ireland.

I mean, sure. Maybe Mad Mick was part of Caleb's Hellshire Gang, and he was something of a second-in-command. So when Caleb vanished, authorities pinned it on Mick instead. Makes sense... except it's not true. In Mad Mick's cell, Zarina finds the letters DEATH TO BAYSHORE marked into a brick, as well as an old, rusty wrench. Caleb's gun is called "Death to Bayshore" (when it's not called the Redeemer), and his father's wrench is literally the thing that set him off to be an engineer in the first place.

Those two things confirm that Mad Mick IS Caleb Quinn. But why the name change between lore? Well, it's simple actually. After the slaughter, the authorities wanted nothing to do with Caleb. So how do they do that? Easy. ERASE EVERY MENTION OF HIM FROM HISTORY!

This explains why the inmate Zarina found was born in Ireland rather than America. This explains the name change from Caleb Quinn to Mad Mick. This explains how they are one and the same. And what is Zarina's entire role? Clearing things up, digging through the lies to uncover the true story, and exposing it to the world.

Whether BHVR meant to or not, they created a seemingly contradictory tale that makes 100% perfect sense. This is the kind of lore I like.

This is also a stupidly long way to say it's my birthday lol.


  • MerGirl2003MerGirl2003 Member Posts: 110
    edited February 2020

    This actually makes a lot of sense, and it’s a lot more fun than BHVR just being inconsistent with lore again. Another thing to note: Mick is a derogatory term for an Irish person, and Caleb’s lore is implied to take place at a time and place of intense discrimination against the Irish.

    Also happy birthday 🎂

  • Hag.is.DtierHag.is.Dtier Member Posts: 1,398
  • Hag.is.DtierHag.is.Dtier Member Posts: 1,398

    Happy birthday pal! 🎂

  • WateryWatery Member Posts: 1,118
    edited February 2020

    Happy B-day!! :)

    Oh here’s another thing I noticed: Not sure if this is relevant the to this thread but here goes:

    Besides the major inconsistency between the two, there’s also something I feel as if has been looked over.

    Entering the dark, dilapidated cell, Zarina ran her hand across the old brick wall. Her fingers felt a marking and traced the letters: DEATH TO BAYSHORE. A loose brick fell, revealing a gap.

    She inserted her hand. Fingers landed on a piece of cold, cracked metal. She fished it out... an old, rusty wrench. A damp chill ran down her spine and she looked down; a man lay at her feet, bleeding, his limbs contorted and his eyes, dark and terrified — her father's eyes. A pool of crimson blood on black pavement. Paralysed, black fog filled the cell and she shut her eyes to push these nightmarish visions out of her mind.

    Then, looking at the Deathslinger Lore;

    A thick, unnatural fog streamed through the barred window. He pulled out his old wrench, cracked and rusted, and ran a thumb along the metal, regarding it with faded eyes. He couldn't remember when it came into his possession. He didn't care to remember. At his feet, he saw a dusty path, and, at its end, silhouettes of all who had done him wrong: the boys who bullied him, the executives who took advantage of him, and, again... Henry Bayshore. Emerging from a fog were the tools to dispose of them — unforgiving steel hooks, brilliant and beautiful in their simplicity. Pain tore through his leg as he stood, but he endured, pushing onwards, walking the dusty path, leaving a trail of blood flowing behind him.

    So what’s the big deal?

    This lore depicts that the entity can control what either side can see. The major contrast is that Caleb’s (Death Slinger) started with the fog, and Zarina’s ended with it.

    Back to my main point; the entity made Caleb see those who wronged him— likely driving him to kill. And it takes Zarina right to a man who is bleeding out— likely, Henry Bayshore.

    So, grab your tinfoil hats and unbundle your red twine, here’s my theory which has likely been said and proved before, but here goes.

    This confirms that the Entity manipulates what either side sees; meaning that it’s likely applicable to all Killers. For example, Rin sees her father, The Hillbilly sees his parents, the wraith sees his boss. The thing is, those I listed have some form of glowy eye— but in contrast, those without glowy eyes (such as Hag, and Trapper) are also afflicted, but their vision may be different.

  • Yung_SlugYung_Slug Member Posts: 2,235

    "Irish-born" probably just means Irish. Back then, I don't think they cared whether they were actually born in Ireland. It's also a story from hundreds of years ago, so the details are bound to get fuzzy.

  • RobMeister88RobMeister88 Member Posts: 351

    So basically the Devs mind gamed us?

    Devs overpowered plz nerf

    But good job on actually figuring it all out. Though the game's balance is a mess, its lore is quite awesome.

  • MeltingPenguinsMeltingPenguins Member Posts: 3,440
    edited September 2020

    pushing this back up cause I think we're thinking in too narrow terms:

    the inmate from 1860 is caleb. Mad Mick, however, might easily not have been caleb.

    I think it's more likely that 'mad mick' was another irish-american inmate in the recent past (from zarina's pov) possessed by caleb's lingering spirit/energy what have you.

    If Caleb would have been 'mad mick' and they'd closed down the entire wing, I think they'd thus have closed down the entire prison, because at Caleb's time that wing was probably all there was to the prison? whereas in zarina's time the original prison is part of the new structure.

    and even if it would have been just part of the old prison: why should they close it down in caleb's time and never reopen/demolish that part in 100 years?

  • CalebQuinnsCalebQuinns Unconfirmed, Member Posts: 1

    I'm very late to this but I must say that 'mick' is a term used for Irish people. it like when people call the french 'frogs'. I hope this helps clear up any misconceptions about caleb's backstory being wrong, since mad mick really is caleb, the outlaw that lead the hellshire gang. it was like his nickname, the deathslinger. that was not his name, but one given by people.

  • MeltingPenguinsMeltingPenguins Member Posts: 3,440

    see my post above yours. given that hellshire's a privatized prison, thus meant for money making, closing down what would probably be most of it in the day instead of tearing it down and rebuilding would make a loss.

    so unless the devs confirm anything, i'm saying it was another irish inmate 'bout 100 years after caleb...

  • GhostyyBoiGhostyyBoi Member Posts: 416

    Why is this on page 1 of discussions?

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