What drinks are you drinking?? Because I want some so I can be this willfully ignorant
Careful with those two last words. People have literally been banned/jailed for using them.
Me and @SpaceCoconut know this all too well.
I know. But trying to find a better term is like trying to argue that monstrous shrine is the most broken perk in the game
Monstrous Shrine OP pls nerf.
Balanced Landing got changed because BHVR couldn't fix the maps. Mettle of Man was bullshit. Ruin literally got changed because of baby survivors.
Huge ######### difference.
This proved you're b8ing.
Lol what? Just in the last couple days there was like three different nerf Billy threads, a few on Noed complaints, one that thought Scratched Mirror was OP and there's a thread on Franklin's needing a nerf as well. I'm sure I've also missed plenty more.
This forum isn't biased one way or other IMO. Both sides have plenty of people that complain about everything and it just depends on what has happened recently to set them off. A popular streamer had something dumb happen to them, bet your butt 5 different people will makes seperate threads to complain about it. Someone sees a thread they agree/disagree with, let's make a seperate thread talking about that thread instead of just keeping in one place. Had a bad game as either side; time to write a 10 page essay on why this game is crap all without proper spacing or spell checking. The list goes on...
Some people do have legitimate complaints and you can find some nice conversation and debate once in a while. Most people just want to hear themselves talk and find others who agree with them though.
The only nerf I'm asking for is for pig.
"JuSt ApPlLy PrEsSuRe"
You're wrong, they use them, they've just explained that there's more layers to this then they're prepared to share with us.
My point of view is still better than the no evidence 'I say so' people.
Tell em' AGAIN!!!
There's really no way anyone can combat this. Even the patch notes literally said it was for this reason, lol
I am awful at this game and I escape more often than not. Do Gens, escape.That's it. 🤷
Most games you can just ignore everything going on if the Killer isn't chasing you.
Edit: @OP Where though? For every Killer Complaint thread there is a Survivor complaint thread.
Humans are naturally very tribalistic, so your killers vs. survivors response is not surprising.
My point was more arguing the psychology of how the devs have created the entitlement within the community then the rudimentary nature of what you're arguing.
On that note, humans are largely robust creatures when they have the capacity to 'prepare' themselves for things. It's the things that blind side people on some idle Tuesday, that creates the most stress for people. So your point about survivors not being 'scared' is inevitable in a game where you have a level of prediction. It's just more of a human thing than a survivor thing.
I agree. Especially about DBD not being "scary". Its never going to be scary for anyone who has put a decent amount of time into it.
Its funny how you can make decently intelligent, if not slightly obnoxious, posts but harp on about data that you believe proves something about killers while also misrepresent the actual facts that were given to prove your belief in this.
false. peanits has stated several times not to make opinions on these stats. these stats also count people who bleed out to death and suicide on first hook .
This forum is definitely killer sided, anyone with a brain can see that. It doesn’t make the majority opinions right or wrong mind you, but how can anyone actually deny that. That’s comical. I haven’t been been on reddit in a while, but that always trended more towards survivor, in large part because survivor opinions are bashed here so that’s where they have to go. Argue all you want, but it’s reality. This is home predominantly to killer mains. The same people denying that are the same who argue a streamer like Tru3 is unbiased because he plays both sides on steam. Come on now. He very heavily slants towards killer as does this forum, both just pretend to be neutral and unbiased 🙂
i literally only play survivor and there are a lot of survivor mains here who are rational and level headed about both sides. many of us level headed surv mains agree new sabo is stupid asf with swf, but hooks respawn after a few seconds, has a 60 second cd, and can be countered by iron grasp so it is a fair 1 to 1 trade on stopping/punishing the action since iron grasp is meta on quite a few killers.
I can understand why some people think that this forum is killersided - the most communitys are outright survivor sided. Sometimes are insults from survivors towards killers there are even celebrated.
From this toxic point of view is everything that falls not in this extrem worldview the "enemie".
If this forums would be so much killer sided, the game itself would be more killer sided. But the truth is that killermains have here to beg for months, or even years, to get small and tiny changes like that Trappers traps can't be sabotaged, or the Legion can vault fast again, while survivors getting a ton of second changes perks and have now a game were they mostly only need to repair gens.
Thought always that would be heaven for some survivors, but no... they still complaining :|.
Quite afew people are calling for a NOED nerf
If my account is trite its because of responses like these. You've done, what most others do:
'nah ah, cause I say so'
By all means, argue the merits of the argument at face value, TRY and provide some evidence.
I dare you, go on, give it a shot.
That's........ not really arguing against my point, its making the same point, just from a different angle. You say don't make opinions, I say its more nuanced, ultimately we can only infer based on what evidence we have.
So to be specific, I've provided more than you have.
lmao this post just proved OPs point, this guy got 50 vote ups just because he made a weak statement regarding ruin, without actually addressing OP.
Do you agree that the Nurse is the weakest killer in the game because going by statistics she is.
If you don't agree with me then why? You're going by statistics and sticking with them and you don't believe the Nurse is the weakest killer then you are just picking and choosing statistics to try and backup your point.
I'm generally curious because no one ever replies to me when they throw the kill rates of killers out there to back up their point but the moment I ask if the nurse is the weakest kill because statistically is she they don't reply because if they disagree they are admitting the data isn't accurate and lets be honest no one will agree she is the weakest killer.
Last stat info I saw had all killers around the 70% mark, some lower, some higher. I have no doubt that the nurses numbers have dropped since the nerf.
Can you upload the latest stats or provide a link?
Nurse is the worst killer in the game at the moment.
-Demothing (surprise at least for me)
-Clown (no surprise)
-Huntress (she is pretty powerful, but hard to master imo)
-Then Legion (I know Plague is actual down of the Legion, but I think she will be doing better after the ptr patch and so I don't see her anymore there)
That are the 5 worst killers if we look at the statistics.
You should check out DbD subreddit for real killer based community with victim syndrome.
Didn't notice it before, thanks for pointing it out.
Firstly, the 'you survivors' comment is rather tribalistic, I get that tribalism is an innate human response, but if we are to evolve as human beings we need to be aware of our own short comings xD
The ruin nerf and survivors 'inability to deal' is in short, a cheap shot. It's like those out of context, politically motivated vids that get uploaded that are full of emotional triggers, its designed that way, to get you to respond.
His post is similar; meme worthy burn but doesn't consider the following:
Infinites gone, vaulting/perk/map/pallet nerfs, bloodlust added, end game timer added, hatch close added. All this has made being killer easier and survivor harder since release.
2 escapes, 2 kills is the devs unit of metric. You don’t have to like that but it’s whats given the survivors all their nerfs and all the killers current buffs.
Killers now are up around 70% kills due to the trajectory of the game and the devs metric system, unless you feel their metric system is bad, in which case they can undo all the changes I've just mentioned....
It's only been recently that killers have started getting significant push back from devs, such as the ruin nerf because the state of the game is disconnecting survivors who know a game is going to end in a 4k so why bother for 3k BP.
At lower tiers hex ruin was a trainwreck, survivors there are still trying to learn skill checks, let alone 'ruin checks' and trying to understand 'totem cleansing'. But if you think that 4k after 4k is a good idea to level against new survivors, then I have a bridge to sell you, because those killer smurf accounts were having a field day.
But what do we see? Thread after thread recently of killers whining about things like 'my poor hex ruin' and 'survivors cant deal'. Like I said, if you didn't like the metric, you should have started complaining years ago, not now. Otherwise you're left with cool edgy burns.
People talk about salty survivors a lot in this forum, but ignore the elephant in the room.
EDIT: Not sure how to link BrendanLeeT into this post.
Thanks for the link.
But you need a qualifier around that.
Nurse is worst 'overall', but part of that would be due to the hard to master aspect of playing nurse.
At red ranks nurse is still around 65% kill rate, which low compared to other killers but still higher that the 2 kill, 2 survive metric. But honestly at this stage and given the constant nerd rage I see from killers, it seems like they want 1 escape 3 kills.
It's also worth mentioning that, at release, nurse was considered a broken killer, anyone remember 72hrs? Anyway he talked about how nurse broke all the mechanics used by survivors to survive. I suspect nurse was designed to counter infinites that were in the game, REAL infinites too, not the pseudo-infinites we have nowadays. But killers still complained.
So infinites were removed and we were stuck with nurse.
Nurse is an average killer? Good, it should never have been introduced to begin with.
Right because adapting to a skillcheck is too hard am I right?
I'm just taking a page from the survivors and ######### endlessly.