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I'm never playing another survivor game without DS again

I know a lot of people hate this perk but it's absolutely needed especially if you solo queue.

Killers are tunneling and proxy camping like mad men lately..



  • thehotdogman93thehotdogman93 Member Posts: 81

    If every survivor had your opinion, DS would be next on the chopping block.

  • TodgeweihtTodgeweiht Member Posts: 3,666

    I dont like DS, but I dont like getting tunneled/camped either

    I think the devs should nerf DS and BT to the ground but also implement a mechanic that softens the effects of camping and tunneling.

  • ClickyClickyClickyClicky Member Posts: 3,536

    It's a mandatory perk.

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 11,898
  • McLightningMcLightning Member Posts: 949

    Not really. A camper is just going to now camp your team mate. I could say the same thing about survivors caring about killers fun. "Don't even try to pretend otherwise". For your own sake, don't get into it with me. Your ego will crumble to pieces.

  • cricketscornercricketscorner Member Posts: 1,029
  • SchmierbachSchmierbach Member Posts: 468

    I havent even unlocked DS cause I won't use it and I escape most matches as solo.

    I guess it's like a drug, some people can function without it and others need it to function at all. *shrug*

  • ABannedCatABannedCat Member Posts: 2,529
    edited February 2020

    ^ This, just this.

    I have so many moris stocked, and with the help of BBQ I get atleast one mori back every match. Which means I could bring one EVERY SINGLE MATCH.

    However I purposely choose against it, because I know how ridiculiosuly unfun they are. And I see the majority of the killers do the same, judging by how few moris I actually see around.

    Survivors on the other hand very frequently bring their strongest stuff. I see the same DS, BT, DH, Unbreakable + items + map offerings on 2 survivors minimum atleast every second match as killer.

  • Archimedes5000Archimedes5000 Member Posts: 1,589
    edited February 2020

    DS causes more tunneling, its the endless cycle:

    Everyone who uses DS is partially responsible for all the tunneling, even if they are "just using it so that they dont get tunneled".

    Everyone says that, but then an innocent killers get DSed because there was still 5/10/15 seconds of the DS timer left...

    And now that innocent killer starts to tunnel on purpose, so he doesnt get DSed by someone crawling out of exit gate ever again.

    He assumes that everyone has DS, so he tunnels everyone, countless innocent surviviors without DS get tunneled in the process.

    They swear reverenge against tunnelers and equip DS.

    And so it begins again...

    They are not even aware that it was their friends that created this monster, now they are going to create even more of them with their own hands...

    In the end DS becomes meta nad we fall into the spiral of hate.











  • goat10emgoat10em Member Posts: 750

    You really want us to believe you were the only survivor not running DS?

  • Steve0333Steve0333 Member Posts: 529

    Ds has always been necessary. As much as killers dont like it, the chances of coming across a camping/tunneling killer are just too high or you get survivors who rush the hook before the killer even has a chance to move away in which case the killer will often go after the person who is already injured.

  • DBD_PinheadDBD_Pinhead Member Posts: 711

    I don't disagree with DS being needed however, whole builds are built around second chance perks and when you run against groups that all have the same build or similar, then it defeats the purpose of the killer outside of a Mori. In the current meta, that's gamebreaking. You can't even have variety like that in killer builds that are viable in the current meta because you already have to address gen rush, since the devs won't do it. Then people complain why they face the same killers with the same perks and the same tactics.

  • JejuneJejune Member Posts: 664

    Since neither tunneling or camping is a bannable offence. People see the need in running second chance builds in case killer does do that. Since those perks are counters to tunneling and camping you can’t really change them. It’s the same evil cycle like the one above. If you make tunneling and camping illegal for the most part you could start changing those perks but as it is right now I don’t think that anything will be done about it.

  • minehotminehot Member Posts: 69

    DS and BT wouldn't be mandatory if the game's design didn't allowed camping and tunneling.

  • kidmaxxkidmaxx Member Posts: 57

    The importance of tunneling has skyrocketed since the ruin nerf. If you're applying appropriate pressure as killer, 3 survivors do generators literally half as fast as 4 survivors. So getting that first person out of the game is huge. I can tell you personally I've incorporated tunneling into my playstyle much more since the ruin nerf, since it's usually the smartest thing to do. I used to care about that first person's fun, but not so much anymore since devs want to baby survivors so much.

    The argument that hooking different people spreads pressure around is just wrong. Regardless of who you hook, they're gonna get unhooked, heal, then do gens. So yeah you want to disrupt survivors on generators and maybe hit them, but when it comes to downing and hooking someone you want to prioritize the person you've already hooked.

    Camping, yeah against good survivors it's rarely the right thing to do. But I think a lot more killers are doing it in protest since they know it ruins games for people and they're mad about ruin.

  • Deadman316Deadman316 Member Posts: 578

    I don't run DS unless I'm getting a lot of killer attention in sessions and I run trials with randoms mostly.

  • ggezbabyggezbaby Member Posts: 398
    edited February 2020

    Ironically when I have DS, I don’t usually get tunneled, but the second I decide to take it off the killer just KNOWS and will tunnel me til I’m dead, or try to at least. And that’s why I bring DS to every game.

    whenever I try to play “fairly” as survivor OR killer, the opposition will notice and take full advantage. so I stopped trying to be fair for the sake of other people, since they don’t have the same respect for me. and that’s fine! :)

  • Warlock_2020Warlock_2020 Member Posts: 1,868

    Wow, this kid needs some serious help. This ego trip screams of desperation. DS will help vs a camper, seen it happen too many times to discount it.

    As for tunneling, it only works vs bad survivors. If they are worth their weight in pocket lint they will be able to pop gens during your singular focus while offering a single extra body to slow down your attempt to "quickly " dispatch someone. That is one of the top reasons I don't focus on a tunnel plan. It depends on playing vs bad survivors. Add in the limited perk setups that assist in tunneling and the game gets too boring too fast.

    Gen pressure is still the best overall strategy, but requires a fluid play style and an understanding of each map. I main Trapper, but can still hold my own, even though I admit the lack of alternative objectives for survivors often make it much more of a hassle these days. Gens are quite fast.

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