The game is no where near to be like that. 4 good survivors can manage to all escape against a good (player) killer that is not Nurse or spirit, the only killer that possibly 4K is nurse, still hard tho. So pls stop saying that the weaker role doesn't need buffs
Anyone who thinks killers need a buff isn’t very good at the game. Killers win most games now and over the past year we’ve seen it shifted into their favour in certain ways.
Sure some killers could use a few tweaks but in general killers as a whole do not need any buffs.
How killers can be "winning" all game and still have lower red rank ratio than Survivors who are "losing" all games ? (In this assymetrical game the norm is for one side to win the other must lose, with some exceptions) It just doesn't make sense to me, if killers would be 4k'ing every time I presume there would be more red rank killers than red rank survivors which certainly isn't the case.
Can someone please explain why anything that could benefit killers are always met with this same response "they just want easy games" "they won't stop until Survivors start the trial on hook" "killer mains only want easy 4ks" if this was actually true the forums wouldn't be flooded with well thought threads looking for balance.
I think the problem is it's not the killer's skill, it's the survivor's skill that determines the outcome. The game is designed to depend on one side making a mistake. If both the killer and survivor's play well, the survivors will win because there is 4 of them. No killer can pressure all 4 at the same time.
Real my post first instead of responding first. I didn't write I suck at finding a survivor. I say that by the time you get first hook 3 gens get done.
I feel you're comparing a good player to a 4 stack SWF, which is possible, but most times its duo and 2 solos, or 4 solos that dont play together and get down, it's usually 1 guy that does all if not most of the work, what il saying is that a good player would be able to stand up to a group of 4 randoms. To say no killer can 4k is a flat out lie
That's how I feel most killer mains are, I feel if Killers get buff to the point where anybody can 3k or 4k at rank 1, that the game with die because it wont be fun to play survivor
No problem, om Killer I've gotten to rank 10, and survivor I got to rank 8, most of the time I quit playing killer at that rank because I get bored, a few days ago I started playing Killer again and got a couple 4Ks in a row, but that was at rank 20-17, the weird part is sometimes I end up against purple and red ranks for some reason? Maybe it's a bug in matchmaking?
I think he means its more Killer sided in most games, and it is but isnt, honestly I feel killers are strong, and some are kinda lacking that 1 perk or tweak to make them fun to play, I love playing Legion but I feel it's useless to use the power anymore besides to catch up to a survivor
And how many times do you see 4 survivors hit all skill checks, evade the killer, and take no hits? Cause I've never seen that, unless you face a 4 stack SWF it's almost impossible to have 4 escape without the killer playing like a bot or missing every hit
You also didnt read, you said by the time you cross the map to down a survivor 3 gens are done, personally never had that happen on survivor or killer. I suggested if you are having that issue you should get a survivor closer to you and if take you 3 minutes to get 1 survivor on his 1st hook you need to play Killer and get better
Its piss easy? What? My guy I've had games where I do 2 gens and heal 2 teammates and I never see the killer and dont pip, I've had games where the killer is on me the entire game and dont pip, playing survivor requires you to save teammates, do gens and run the killer around and even then if you go down once you get a max of 1 pip
Honestly I'm not whining, I like to ask people why they think Killer buffs or why survivors need nerfs or whatever is a hot topic because it shows how much they know when they talk about a buff idea that's absurd or stupid
So you made this topic to point out that if anyone says a survivor needs a nerf or a killer needs a buff that they're stupid or absurd? Heck I'm reading that statement as any buff idea is absurd or stupid in your eyes. People are allowed to express they're opinions as you are but I find this absurd and petty.
No? They don't deserve it, if they get nerfed any harder then it would be impossible to ever escape, Killers are fine as of now in my opinion, with some tweaks and maps work things would be even for both sides
Hey I'm fine talking about what people think would balance they game, in their opinion, but so far nobody has suggested anything, they say killers need a buff and when I say I think they are wrong they try to prove a point and not suggest a way to buff them, if you take it as petty and absurd then go ahead my guy, I'm not saying anybody is stupid for having an opinion that is valid, but telling me that a killer should get 3k or 4k every game is absurd and stupid, and saying a killer should 4k with only their 3 teachable is stupid and absurd. But you make a point, I probably could've worded that better, that's my fault
And that was my only reason for stating it like that. I have read posts about buffs that I thought were pretty nice, not too OP but a nice QOL change so your comment irritated me a bit. Now where did this teachable part come in? Because based off of that then nobody would be able to get the adept achievments for the killers as you need a merceless killer.
Unless your a meta kiler the survivors can loop you for 3 gens easy. 3/5s of their objective is completed before the killer gets 1/12. If they got headsets you can chase someone else, 1 perosn is on a gen, 1 makes the save+heal then they both duo a gen. Match ends in 4 mins. If the survivors know what they are doing and are coordinated the killer is at a severe disadvantage.
So you're legit saying what I am already saying, if they are in a 4 stack and playing together then it's difficult, but what do you think would help fix it?
It would be pretty cool to see a pig rework or slight change to her power, I didn't mind the whole " if you have a helmet on you can't leave without dying" but i support a Legion change or better addons
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The game is no where near to be like that. 4 good survivors can manage to all escape against a good (player) killer that is not Nurse or spirit, the only killer that possibly 4K is nurse, still hard tho. So pls stop saying that the weaker role doesn't need buffs
The whole game needs a buff.
Anyone who thinks killers need a buff isn’t very good at the game. Killers win most games now and over the past year we’ve seen it shifted into their favour in certain ways.
Sure some killers could use a few tweaks but in general killers as a whole do not need any buffs.
sadly some people wont stop complaning untill survivor will die when they look at them
On which rank are you playing if i may ask? I'm just curious, because the game is really balanced in any ranks except red and brown.
How killers can be "winning" all game and still have lower red rank ratio than Survivors who are "losing" all games ? (In this assymetrical game the norm is for one side to win the other must lose, with some exceptions) It just doesn't make sense to me, if killers would be 4k'ing every time I presume there would be more red rank killers than red rank survivors which certainly isn't the case.
Can someone please explain why anything that could benefit killers are always met with this same response "they just want easy games" "they won't stop until Survivors start the trial on hook" "killer mains only want easy 4ks" if this was actually true the forums wouldn't be flooded with well thought threads looking for balance.
I think the problem is it's not the killer's skill, it's the survivor's skill that determines the outcome. The game is designed to depend on one side making a mistake. If both the killer and survivor's play well, the survivors will win because there is 4 of them. No killer can pressure all 4 at the same time.
EEEEH? What?
Real my post first instead of responding first. I didn't write I suck at finding a survivor. I say that by the time you get first hook 3 gens get done.
Most survivors still suck as ranking up is piss easy.
I feel you're comparing a good player to a 4 stack SWF, which is possible, but most times its duo and 2 solos, or 4 solos that dont play together and get down, it's usually 1 guy that does all if not most of the work, what il saying is that a good player would be able to stand up to a group of 4 randoms. To say no killer can 4k is a flat out lie
How so?
That's how I feel most killer mains are, I feel if Killers get buff to the point where anybody can 3k or 4k at rank 1, that the game with die because it wont be fun to play survivor
No problem, om Killer I've gotten to rank 10, and survivor I got to rank 8, most of the time I quit playing killer at that rank because I get bored, a few days ago I started playing Killer again and got a couple 4Ks in a row, but that was at rank 20-17, the weird part is sometimes I end up against purple and red ranks for some reason? Maybe it's a bug in matchmaking?
I think he means its more Killer sided in most games, and it is but isnt, honestly I feel killers are strong, and some are kinda lacking that 1 perk or tweak to make them fun to play, I love playing Legion but I feel it's useless to use the power anymore besides to catch up to a survivor
And how many times do you see 4 survivors hit all skill checks, evade the killer, and take no hits? Cause I've never seen that, unless you face a 4 stack SWF it's almost impossible to have 4 escape without the killer playing like a bot or missing every hit
You also didnt read, you said by the time you cross the map to down a survivor 3 gens are done, personally never had that happen on survivor or killer. I suggested if you are having that issue you should get a survivor closer to you and if take you 3 minutes to get 1 survivor on his 1st hook you need to play Killer and get better
Its piss easy? What? My guy I've had games where I do 2 gens and heal 2 teammates and I never see the killer and dont pip, I've had games where the killer is on me the entire game and dont pip, playing survivor requires you to save teammates, do gens and run the killer around and even then if you go down once you get a max of 1 pip
No neither side needs buffs/nerfs other than moris and keys
People just need to shut up whining and play the game
Honestly I'm not whining, I like to ask people why they think Killer buffs or why survivors need nerfs or whatever is a hot topic because it shows how much they know when they talk about a buff idea that's absurd or stupid
So you made this topic to point out that if anyone says a survivor needs a nerf or a killer needs a buff that they're stupid or absurd? Heck I'm reading that statement as any buff idea is absurd or stupid in your eyes. People are allowed to express they're opinions as you are but I find this absurd and petty.
No? They don't deserve it, if they get nerfed any harder then it would be impossible to ever escape, Killers are fine as of now in my opinion, with some tweaks and maps work things would be even for both sides
Hey I'm fine talking about what people think would balance they game, in their opinion, but so far nobody has suggested anything, they say killers need a buff and when I say I think they are wrong they try to prove a point and not suggest a way to buff them, if you take it as petty and absurd then go ahead my guy, I'm not saying anybody is stupid for having an opinion that is valid, but telling me that a killer should get 3k or 4k every game is absurd and stupid, and saying a killer should 4k with only their 3 teachable is stupid and absurd. But you make a point, I probably could've worded that better, that's my fault
And that was my only reason for stating it like that. I have read posts about buffs that I thought were pretty nice, not too OP but a nice QOL change so your comment irritated me a bit. Now where did this teachable part come in? Because based off of that then nobody would be able to get the adept achievments for the killers as you need a merceless killer.
Look for Booper-Snout's post or something like that on this thread
Pig is really bad now due to end game collapse, so they should give her a rework.
Also with legion, It would be nice if he had some more add-ons for his crappy power.
Unless your a meta kiler the survivors can loop you for 3 gens easy. 3/5s of their objective is completed before the killer gets 1/12. If they got headsets you can chase someone else, 1 perosn is on a gen, 1 makes the save+heal then they both duo a gen. Match ends in 4 mins. If the survivors know what they are doing and are coordinated the killer is at a severe disadvantage.
So you're legit saying what I am already saying, if they are in a 4 stack and playing together then it's difficult, but what do you think would help fix it?
It would be pretty cool to see a pig rework or slight change to her power, I didn't mind the whole " if you have a helmet on you can't leave without dying" but i support a Legion change or better addons